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was when Locke said to Jack - it's not your kid - and then they gave no answer to that. I drank a little tonight so I may have missed something, but that's all I can think about at this point. Who's kid is it? Or, was Jack just dead the whole time, therefore he wasn't able to have a kid? Other than this, I thought it ended pretty well. Not as good as The Shield's ending (nothing can ever top that I don't think), but a pretty good ending to a damn confusing show nonetheless.
I am still confused. I assume they were in some kind of purgatory the whole time? If so, that is disappointing because the writers have said many times the island was not purgatory.
I also didn't understand how them leaving in the plane brought them to the alternate life?
I also didn't understand how them leaving in the plane brought them to the alternate life?
All the events on the island took place. Jack saves the island. The few
that get off the island do and they live out their lives and die.
Hurley and Ben protect the island until at some point in the future,
they die. Jack's deceased father explains this when he states that
everyone dies eventually and that this place (the flash sideways) was
an alternate reality created to bring together everyone's souls so that
they could enter into heaven at the same time, because they were all so
important to each other's life narrative, that it was somehow
metaphysically important (and touching) to pass into the next world
together as a group. They were waiting for each other, as if God put
them into a holding pattern until everyone was dead, ready, and
remembering their lives correctly, that they could move on.
Until then, the flash sideways and their lives in general were sort of
a forgetful limbo to get them to their most important point:
Transcendence.
that get off the island do and they live out their lives and die.
Hurley and Ben protect the island until at some point in the future,
they die. Jack's deceased father explains this when he states that
everyone dies eventually and that this place (the flash sideways) was
an alternate reality created to bring together everyone's souls so that
they could enter into heaven at the same time, because they were all so
important to each other's life narrative, that it was somehow
metaphysically important (and touching) to pass into the next world
together as a group. They were waiting for each other, as if God put
them into a holding pattern until everyone was dead, ready, and
remembering their lives correctly, that they could move on.
Until then, the flash sideways and their lives in general were sort of
a forgetful limbo to get them to their most important point:
Transcendence.
I was really glad they didn't take any cheap way out of explaining what they were trying to do with this series as a whole.
Solid... very solid piece of story telling over a six year period.
Solid... very solid piece of story telling over a six year period.
so the alternate life that wasn't real was the reason why he didn't have a son?
Sorry to be so slow, but like I said - I've had a couple tonight....so that's my excuse on this one........
Sorry to be so slow, but like I said - I've had a couple tonight....so that's my excuse on this one........
Sucks for him.
Now that it's over, the all the hokeyness of the alternative time line makes sense. It was never supposed to be realistic. It was really just about getting all the characters back together to go into the afterlife.
Also the mirroring of the opening scene in the pilot was a nice touch. Oh and way to pull the loyal dog card to get any holdouts, if you know what I mean.
Now that it's over, the all the hokeyness of the alternative time line makes sense. It was never supposed to be realistic. It was really just about getting all the characters back together to go into the afterlife.
Also the mirroring of the opening scene in the pilot was a nice touch. Oh and way to pull the loyal dog card to get any holdouts, if you know what I mean.
For instance:
1) What was the purpose of the island in the first place?
2) What was the purpose of Jacob vs. Smokie? Assumed some sort of balance between good and evil but no more smokie so what did Hurley and Ben do? Never answered how Jacob moved around and was englighted, etc.
3) Jacobs's mom told him going to the light was worse than death and it turned Smokie into the smoke monster but had no real ill effect on Desmond or Jack.
I don't know the alternative timeline makes a little more sense now but still a little odd and to me most of my big questions about the island itself were still never really answered.
1) What was the purpose of the island in the first place?
2) What was the purpose of Jacob vs. Smokie? Assumed some sort of balance between good and evil but no more smokie so what did Hurley and Ben do? Never answered how Jacob moved around and was englighted, etc.
3) Jacobs's mom told him going to the light was worse than death and it turned Smokie into the smoke monster but had no real ill effect on Desmond or Jack.
I don't know the alternative timeline makes a little more sense now but still a little odd and to me most of my big questions about the island itself were still never really answered.
explain to me what exactly is the island. From time travel (displacement?), to a nuclear bomb to glowing mystic waters how does that all come together to make any sense? Did they survive the original plane crash or not? Head spinning.
The story of Lost was never about the island...it was about the characters and their journey to redemption.
Some things are better not explained...DO YOU HEAR ME, GEORGE LUCAS??
Some things are better not explained...DO YOU HEAR ME, GEORGE LUCAS??
Everything that happend on the island was real. Everything that happened in the flash sideways was in the afterlife (not "real"). The losties in the afterlife lived lives the way they wanted in their own little "heaven" which reconciled their real life. In Locke's afterlife, his dad was a wheelchair-bound vegetable. Sawyer was a cop instead of a con man. Kate was innocent. Ben was a good guy. Hurley was lucky. Jack...he had a son and a stable relationship with him instead of a rocky relationship with his father.BriantheDawg said:
I noticed that too about him and Juliet...for a divorced couple they were awfully smug, even working together still.
My mind was a little bit rocked once Jack got to the church. And Vincent laying down with Jack at the end...that was killer.
1) The Island is just a magical place of unknown origin. I loved that they didn't pull a George Lucas and try to midochlorian it to death.
2) Jacob and Smokey were just normal guys. They were the candidates of their day and Jacob ending up becoming the Protector of the Island just like Jack and later Hurley did. So they are not representations of good and evil or any of the other things we suspected they might be earlier on. Jacob's job was to protect the Island, and his principle obstacle in doing so was his bitter brother whom he had turned into the Monster. Hurley and Ben will protect the Island for however long their tenure lasts, like Jacob and Richard did before them. By the time we meet Jacob he was about 2,000 years old. Long enough to become enlightened to some degree I would imagine.
3) Desmond was special and impervious to the electromagnetic/magical effects of the Island. And Jack was the Protector. Smokey was neither and had his soul ripped from his body. My guesstimation at least.
2) Jacob and Smokey were just normal guys. They were the candidates of their day and Jacob ending up becoming the Protector of the Island just like Jack and later Hurley did. So they are not representations of good and evil or any of the other things we suspected they might be earlier on. Jacob's job was to protect the Island, and his principle obstacle in doing so was his bitter brother whom he had turned into the Monster. Hurley and Ben will protect the Island for however long their tenure lasts, like Jacob and Richard did before them. By the time we meet Jacob he was about 2,000 years old. Long enough to become enlightened to some degree I would imagine.
3) Desmond was special and impervious to the electromagnetic/magical effects of the Island. And Jack was the Protector. Smokey was neither and had his soul ripped from his body. My guesstimation at least.
I literally have been replaying the finale in my head every waking second since it ended. One day I am going to go back and watch the whole series again. Maybe minus most of the 5th season. Do yall also feel like the whole flash-FORWARD part of the show was just stalling by the producers? The 70's losties, the nuke, etc.? There really wasnt much to that in the grand scheme of things, other than the HUGE plot twist we got when Jack met Kate the first time we realized they were off the island.
But the Sixth Sense/purgatory ending was really good. The scene was Christian was perfect and very touching...he "Sheparded" us through the explanation and left me a lot more fulfilled than I thought I would be. People that don't get it really didn't listen to what he said. Especially when it came to why Hurley, Kate, etc. were there. Like some said, it was never about the island. All you need to know was that it was an odd, scientific anomaly that actually existed and weird things happened there.
But the Sixth Sense/purgatory ending was really good. The scene was Christian was perfect and very touching...he "Sheparded" us through the explanation and left me a lot more fulfilled than I thought I would be. People that don't get it really didn't listen to what he said. Especially when it came to why Hurley, Kate, etc. were there. Like some said, it was never about the island. All you need to know was that it was an odd, scientific anomaly that actually existed and weird things happened there.
I somehow want to believe an ending where the island was not real...mainly because the freaking thing moved if you didnt notice.
1. What was the point of Dharma in this whole thing?
2.The numbers?
3.Basically everything from season 2.
Jimmy Kimmel's thought that it was all a test for Jack makes some sense.
Still a good show but very confusing. </p>
1. What was the point of Dharma in this whole thing?
2.The numbers?
3.Basically everything from season 2.
Jimmy Kimmel's thought that it was all a test for Jack makes some sense.
Still a good show but very confusing. </p>
The rest of the shat that happened on the island you just have to accept.
More thoughts while I am on the subject.
Someone pointed out that when Mr. Eko died there was a scene of him and Yemi walking with their arms around each other. That was apparently them meeting in their "sideways flash" before they moved on. Pretty cool. Richard and Lapidus, etc., werent with the Losties because there were probably other people in their lives that were more important that they would "pass through" with.
The "church scene" was not necessarily long after the island. Like Christian said, "there is no 'NOW' here" - that is why Jack and Hurley/Kate, etc. can be at the same place at the same time. Kate also obviously remembered living long after Jack was gone - she told him how much she had missed him.
Damn. That was 17ing good. I really cant stop thinking about it. I also admit that I had to fight back the man tears a couple of times.
Edited to add the Eko scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2TY2iyvak0 Very cool. Eko apparently goes back to the last time he and yemi were innocent, the best time of their lives, when they were children.
More thoughts while I am on the subject.
Someone pointed out that when Mr. Eko died there was a scene of him and Yemi walking with their arms around each other. That was apparently them meeting in their "sideways flash" before they moved on. Pretty cool. Richard and Lapidus, etc., werent with the Losties because there were probably other people in their lives that were more important that they would "pass through" with.
The "church scene" was not necessarily long after the island. Like Christian said, "there is no 'NOW' here" - that is why Jack and Hurley/Kate, etc. can be at the same place at the same time. Kate also obviously remembered living long after Jack was gone - she told him how much she had missed him.
Damn. That was 17ing good. I really cant stop thinking about it. I also admit that I had to fight back the man tears a couple of times.
Edited to add the Eko scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2TY2iyvak0 Very cool. Eko apparently goes back to the last time he and yemi were innocent, the best time of their lives, when they were children.
That flash of Eko and his brother always seemed off for Lost. In retrospect, having seen the side-flashes, it oddly makes a lot of sense. Perhaps completely coincidental, but I like it. Good call.
The more I think about it the more satisfied I become with the ending. I took a minute to figure out what the deal was with all of the characters who were not inside the church at the end. I think you are correct that many of them had greater connections with other people and would have left with them. Richard for instance would probably have a flash-sideways in the 19th century with his wife. Ben seems to be the only character fully aware of his life and death who chooses to stay behind for a time because he is not yet ready to enter the afterlife. He still has issues to work out. Reasonable considering the first fifty or so years of his life. Some of the other characters, ie Faraday, Miles, will likely move from the flash-sideways universe into the afterlife on their own schedule as well.
Jack's death was so well done. Ending in the bamboo forest with Vincent at his side and the plane flying over head. Ending with his eye shutting. Beautiful. Well done Darlton.
The more I think about it the more satisfied I become with the ending. I took a minute to figure out what the deal was with all of the characters who were not inside the church at the end. I think you are correct that many of them had greater connections with other people and would have left with them. Richard for instance would probably have a flash-sideways in the 19th century with his wife. Ben seems to be the only character fully aware of his life and death who chooses to stay behind for a time because he is not yet ready to enter the afterlife. He still has issues to work out. Reasonable considering the first fifty or so years of his life. Some of the other characters, ie Faraday, Miles, will likely move from the flash-sideways universe into the afterlife on their own schedule as well.
Jack's death was so well done. Ending in the bamboo forest with Vincent at his side and the plane flying over head. Ending with his eye shutting. Beautiful. Well done Darlton.
The flash forward showed us how the characters reconciled what had been wrong in their own lives. Sawyer was a cop instead of a con man. Jack had a son and a good relationship with him, proving to himself that the bad relationship with his own father wouldn't carry on in a cycle. Kate was innocent. Ben was a good guy. Locke's dad was powerless. etc..AzzurriDawg4 said:
I am talking about the flash-FORWARD - that is why I put forward in all caps, twice.
When Jack was back in LA with a full beard going psycho, etc.
When Jack was back in LA with a full beard going psycho, etc.
and maybe they hadnt had their "awakening" yet. Maybe that was what he was waiting for.
I agree that Jack's death was incredible. His lifelong struggle with "letting go" culminating with walking into that sanctuary and then lying down in the bamboo forest and closing his eyes.
I agree that Jack's death was incredible. His lifelong struggle with "letting go" culminating with walking into that sanctuary and then lying down in the bamboo forest and closing his eyes.
For those mad about not having everymystery of the islandanswered, I think answering everything would have ruined it. The whole show had a prevalent faith vs. science theme with a lot of religious metaphors. One thing that's really stuck with me after thinking about it, was how all of their lives were fulfilled by something so seemingly awful as a plane crash in the middle of the ocean. So fora Christianlike me practicing a particular faith, it's a real awesome story and example of tragedy being used to bring about an ultimate and greater purpose. But the beauty of the Lost story isthat there is so much room for interpretation. I don't think the mysteries of Lost could have ever been answered without some religious/supernatural explanation. And if they went the route of really defining what everything meant, it would ruin it for most of the fanbase because it wouldn't subscribe in 100% agreement with their particular beliefs. They couldn't have even gotten all of Christianity behind them. Was the flash sideways definitely purgatory? Christians differ on the concept. So giving an assured yes or no on that and many other questions will just inevitably ruin it for large portions of the audience.
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