LOVE THE COMING DEMOCRATIC SHUMER GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN

[PalmettoTiger1]

Either the Democrats approve the clean Continuing Resolution or a government shutdown will occur

Looking forward to the shutdown as the shutdown will give President Trump the absolute power to pick and chose who he wants to fund.

Go ahead Democrats give Trump absolute power of the money spigot.

 

[baltimorened]

Either the Democrats approve the clean Continuing Resolution or a government shutdown will occur

Looking forward to the shutdown as the shutdown will give President Trump the absolute power to pick and chose who he wants to fund.

Go ahead Democrats give Trump absolute power of the money spigot.

seen a lot about fascist, Nazi, Hitler recently. Wouldn't Hitler just declare government open, do away with all this voting crap and just jail dissidents?

 

[TigerGrowls]

 

[TigerGrowls]

CONSPIRACY NO MORE:

•The Democrats said, “Illegal aliens don’t get Social Security.”
•The Democrats said, “Illegal aliens don’t vote.”
•Now the Democrats are about to shut down the government because they demand we fund healthcare for illegal aliens.

They’ve even said, “It’s just a conspiracy.”

President Donald Trump: 275,000 illegal aliens have been removed from the Social Security system — a crucial step in safeguarding benefits for American citizens and protecting the integrity of U.S. elections.

In other words; The Democrat Party and illegal aliens are synonymous.

 

[dpic73]

CONSPIRACY NO MORE:

•The Democrats said, “Illegal aliens don’t get Social Security.”
•The Democrats said, “Illegal aliens don’t vote.”
•Now the Democrats are about to shut down the government because they demand we fund healthcare for illegal aliens.

They’ve even said, “It’s just a conspiracy.”

President Donald Trump: 275,000 illegal aliens have been removed from the Social Security system — a crucial step in safeguarding benefits for American citizens and protecting the integrity of U.S. elections.

In other words; The Democrat Party and illegal aliens are synonymous.

"For those confused about the lies this administration is telling now on the coming shutdown, let me get personal. I have been self-employed for decades and I have preexisting medical conditions. My only option for healthcare is through Obamacare.

Without the subsidies that will be cut, I will be directly affected, and my health care costs will sky rocket. I am not an illegal immigrant; I am an American Citizen born and raised here. When @jdvance and others say this is only about healthcare for illegal immigrants, they are lying to you. I am a well known American Citizen who truly has no idea what he will do for healthcare next year.

Thank you to the Democrats who are fighting for Americans like me, like you, and like the many family members and friends that you love. Thank you to the Democratic leadership on this that tried everything to do this the right way and tried to meet with the President only to have him cancel.

I will figure out my personal situation and I am not looking for sympathy. I am truly worried about the millions of American citizens who are going to be devastated by this change.

This administration is working overtime to make America less healthy. Why?"

 

[baltimorened]

"For those confused about the lies this administration is telling now on the coming shutdown, let me get personal. I have been self-employed for decades and I have preexisting medical conditions. My only option for healthcare is through Obamacare.

Without the subsidies that will be cut, I will be directly affected, and my health care costs will sky rocket. I am not an illegal immigrant; I am an American Citizen born and raised here. When @jdvance and others say this is only about healthcare for illegal immigrants, they are lying to you. I am a well known American Citizen who truly has no idea what he will do for healthcare next year.

Thank you to the Democrats who are fighting for Americans like me, like you, and like the many family members and friends that you love. Thank you to the Democratic leadership on this that tried everything to do this the right way and tried to meet with the President only to have him cancel.

I will figure out my personal situation and I am not looking for sympathy. I am truly worried about the millions of American citizens who are going to be devastated by this change.

This administration is working overtime to make America less healthy. Why?"

serious question..what did people in your situation do for healthcare pre 2010?

 

[dpic73]

serious question..what did people in your situation do for healthcare pre 2010?

In my situation? I'm not the author of the post - Fred Guttenberg is the father of one of the victims of the Parkland high school shooting. But before Obamacare, many Americans who couldn't get healthcare through their jobs went bankrupt trying to cover their medical expenses if they had a pre-existing condition or they died because they couldn't afford necessary care.

Now Trump is creating an unnecessary health crisis for millions of those Americans so fat cats can stuff their pockets with the savings. The man is a non-empathetic horror show.

How Will the One Big Beautiful Bill Act Affect the ACA, Medicaid, and the Uninsured Rate? | KFF

This analysis details the number of people who would become uninsured from policy changes in the ACA Marketplaces and Medicaid. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that, taken together, these changes will result in 16 million more uninsured people in the year 2034 than would otherwise be...

www.kff.org

 

[firegiver]

It sucks, people are going to suffer. I think the suffering might be the point though. Republicans have long used the suffering of government shutdowns as a club to get Dems to bend to their will. If the Dems are flipping the script and Republicans are trying to threaten further harm and suffering to the American people as a threat to the Dems, I don't think they should blink. I think they should say: OK. Do it. Fire people, reduce the functions of government to ash. Let the farmers, blue collar people of America suffer under your rule.

I just am sick and tired of watching this play out the same way. Tax breaks for the wealthy, money for the military industrial complex, poor infrastructure, and politicization of things that shouldn't be political. Let them use the shutdown to blow up the government. It will be terrible and we will all get to watch. This economy is going straight into the garbage if that happens. Its already teetering with inflation and job losses.

 

[dpic73]

 

[tboonpickens]

there's always a callback for these morons...

 

[dpic73]

there's always a callback for these morons...

There's always a tweet...

 

[tboonpickens]

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

seen a lot about fascist, Nazi, Hitler recently. Wouldn't Hitler just declare government open, do away with all this voting crap and just jail dissidents

It sucks, people are going to suffer. I think the suffering might be the point though. Republicans have long used the suffering of government shutdowns as a club to get Dems to bend to their will. If the Dems are flipping the script and Republicans are trying to threaten further harm and suffering to the American people as a threat to the Dems, I don't think they should blink. I think they should say: OK. Do it. Fire people, reduce the functions of government to ash. Let the farmers, blue collar people of America suffer under your rule.

I just am sick and tired of watching this play out the same way. Tax breaks for the wealthy, money for the military industrial complex, poor infrastructure, and politicization of things that shouldn't be political. Let them use the shutdown to blow up the government. It will be terrible and we will all get to watch. This economy is going straight into the garbage if that happens. Its already teetering with inflation and job losses.

As much as you screech chaos I am liking the Shumar shutdown plan

Return spending to Pre-covid is my wish and dream

 

[LafayetteBear]

Palmetto: The "Shumer" Shutdown? Who's "Shumer?"

 

[UrHuckleberry]

seen a lot about fascist, Nazi, Hitler recently. Wouldn't Hitler just declare government open, do away with all this voting crap and just jail dissidents?

So I’m not saying this is the case, but when people compare them to Hitler, it’s not to the Hitler in 1945, it’s the one in 1933.

 

[firegiver]

As much as you screech chaos I am liking the Shumar shutdown plan

Return spending to Pre-covid is my wish and dream

Oh haha that's funny. You want to talk now about the other party and it's actions in government? Why? Go ahead fire everyone that's the republican plan.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Trump is so far ahead of the commie left its almost sad but I love it anyway.



Trump knew the only power the dems had left in DC was in the senate with the filibuster. He knew they would try to use that to get their funding for illegals, NGOs, and pet projects.

That's why he fully funded everything he needed for his MAGA agenda in The OBBB.

With the passage of the OBBB, it doesn't matter if the dems "shut down" the government. His agenda is fully funded. The dems can't stop the wall with a shutdown. The dems can't stop deportations with a shutdown. The dems can't stop the tax cuts, deregulation, increased military pay, the golden dome, or push the US into default with a credit ceiling.

 

[fatpiggy]

Should be a bipartisan issue.

 

[baltimorened]

Should be a bipartisan issue.

I don't understand why democrats would chose this hill to die on.

I understand that it's an anti trump, buck up schumer's democrat party standing for 2026, and it's all the leverage Dems have, but a large % of Americans are 100% against any funding for undocumented migrant's Medicaid or ACA subsidies. And, why would they want to eliminate the funding for keeping rural hospitals open? I realize, or think I do anyway, that some of their demands are "throwaways" for the negotiation proces. But even after their complaints about trump's BBB adding to the deficit they demand another $1.5trillion addition to the deficit. (how many on here have jumped on the Trump adding to the deficit bandwagon?)

Our Congress is dysfunctional. I think it's been close to 15 years since we've had a budget. There is a process and our leaders just continuously ignore it and continue with these continuing resolutions. We should do away with all of them and start over.

By the way, the medical system the democrats are so eager to repair is the one that they pushed through in 2010. And back then, they committed that no undocumented aliens would be eligible for ACA subsidies. But ,don't mean to put the blame solely on democrats. We might have had a better system if republicans had joined in designing it. But they decided to sit on their butts. Like I said our system is dysfuntional

 

[UrHuckleberry]

I don't understand why democrats would chose this hill to die on.

I understand that it's an anti trump, buck up schumer's democrat party standing for 2026, and it's all the leverage Dems have, but a large % of Americans are 100% against any funding for undocumented migrant's Medicaid or ACA subsidies. And, why would they want to eliminate the funding for keeping rural hospitals open? I realize, or think I do anyway, that some of their demands are "throwaways" for the negotiation proces. But even after their complaints about trump's BBB adding to the deficit they demand another $1.5trillion addition to the deficit. (how many on here have jumped on the Trump adding to the deficit bandwagon?)

Our Congress is dysfunctional. I think it's been close to 15 years since we've had a budget. There is a process and our leaders just continuously ignore it and continue with these continuing resolutions. We should do away with all of them and start over.

By the way, the medical system the democrats are so eager to repair is the one that they pushed through in 2010. And back then, they committed that no undocumented aliens would be eligible for ACA subsidies. But ,don't mean to put the blame solely on democrats. We might have had a better system if republicans had joined in designing it. But they decided to sit on their butts. Like I said our system is dysfuntional

Basically, you’re believing the lie that Republicans are telling. They in no way are trying to keep funding going for the undocumented. I would do a quick google. And when you find the answer, keep it in mind the next time they try to tell you something about the opposition’s positions.

 

[baltimorened]

Basically, you’re believing the lie that Republicans are telling. They in no way are trying to keep funding going for the undocumented. I would do a quick google. And when you find the answer, keep it in mind the next time they try to tell you something about the opposition’s positions.

I didn't say they were trying to KEEP FUNDING going for undocumented. Right now, as was reported, undocumented are not eligible for either Medicaid or ACA subsidies. By the way, IMO, neither party has a lock on being 100% honest in either their or their opponents positions.

But you failed to mention, or address the $1.5 trillion in added deficit/debt, or elimination of rural hospitals subsidies, or the public media add backs. I recognize that these latter demands are more than likely throwaways that democrats will give up to get the subsidies.

The Republican have already said they are going to extend the ACA subsidies.

So, what's the problem? So democrats and republicans agree on the ACA subsidies, which both sides have already said they would, and move on. Seems like a simple solution. And likely that's what they will agree to after 2 or 3 weeks, disruption of a large number of people's lives, and significant cost. This is all a game. Schumer and democrats running in 2026 folded in March and they need a "win" now so they can look strong to the base. So both sides agree to the subsidies and democrats can claim the win because they got them and republicans can claim the win because they didn't give up anything but the subsidies - which they were going to do anyway. And the taxpayers, the people our leaders represent get to pay the bill for this fiasco.

And, tying together another thread about the cost of bringing all the generals to Va and what a waste of money. Shutting the government will cost as much or significantly more than yesterday's boondoggle.

Finally, my son works in the DC area and he loves the shutdowns. His trip to work, which might normally take an hour, will take half the time this morning...the federal employees are getting the day off.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

I didn't say they were trying to KEEP FUNDING going for undocumented. Right now, as was reported, undocumented are not eligible for either Medicaid or ACA subsidies. By the way, IMO, neither party has a lock on being 100% honest in either their or their opponents positions.

But you failed to mention, or address the $1.5 trillion in added deficit/debt, or elimination of rural hospitals subsidies, or the public media add backs. I recognize that these latter demands are more than likely throwaways that democrats will give up to get the subsidies.

The Republican have already said they are going to extend the ACA subsidies.

So, what's the problem? So democrats and republicans agree on the ACA subsidies, which both sides have already said they would, and move on. Seems like a simple solution. And likely that's what they will agree to after 2 or 3 weeks, disruption of a large number of people's lives, and significant cost. This is all a game. Schumer and democrats running in 2026 folded in March and they need a "win" now so they can look strong to the base. So both sides agree to the subsidies and democrats can claim the win because they got them and republicans can claim the win because they didn't give up anything but the subsidies - which they were going to do anyway. And the taxpayers, the people our leaders represent get to pay the bill for this fiasco.

And, tying together another thread about the cost of bringing all the generals to Va and what a waste of money. Shutting the government will cost as much or significantly more than yesterday's boondoggle.

Finally, my son works in the DC area and he loves the shutdowns. His trip to work, which might normally take an hour, will take half the time this morning...the federal employees are getting the day off.

Agreed they are not eligible for either Medicaid or ACA subsidies, so why was this even a little bit relevant other than believing their lie? "but a large % of Americans are 100% against any funding for undocumented migrant's Medicaid or ACA subsidies."

 

[baltimorened]

Agreed they are not eligible for either Medicaid or ACA subsidies, so why was this even a little bit relevant other than believing their lie? "but a large % of Americans are 100% against any funding for undocumented migrant's Medicaid or ACA subsidies."

my reason,..there have been numerous democrats in interviews who have stated their position to provide healthcare to ALL. And, a large % of Americans are 100% against any funding for undocumented migrant's Medicaid or ACA subsidies.
I used to play in this Congressional world. I understand the dynamic of over/under/mis stating of the opponents positions as well as their own position. Goes back to one of my current tenents...we can't believe or trust what either party says.

In this case, the trump administration doesn't want to end subsidies and the Democrats don' t want subsidies for undocumented. (some do, but the majority know it's a vote killer)

 

[UrHuckleberry]

my reason,..there have been numerous democrats in interviews who have stated their position to provide healthcare to ALL. And, a large % of Americans are 100% against any funding for undocumented migrant's Medicaid or ACA subsidies.
I used to play in this Congressional world. I understand the dynamic of over/under/mis stating of the opponents positions as well as their own position. Goes back to one of my current tenents...we can't believe or trust what either party says.

In this case, the trump administration doesn't want to end subsidies and the Democrats don' t want subsidies for undocumented. (some do, but the majority know it's a vote killer)

So you just joined the lie? Cool I guess.

Regardless of whether some believe in universal healthcare, etc, that is not at all what the shutdown is about, and apparently you know that but want to still frame it that way for some reason.

 

[baltimorened]

So you just joined the lie? Cool I guess.

Regardless of whether some believe in universal healthcare, etc, that is not at all what the shutdown is about, and apparently you know that but want to still frame it that way for some reason.

I'm really not sure how you come to that conclusion from my post. Either I wasn't clear, or you're interpreting incorrectly. Let me try again...

I don't want universal healthcare...but this shutdown is about more than just healthcare subsidies. Republicans, it has been reported and I have witnessed in interviews, agree that the ACA subsidies need to be re authorized. And they have stated the intent to begin discussions on that topic between now and expiration. Like I posted, so what's the problem?

Now, in addition, and what you and the Democrats are failing to point out are the other things on the Democrats list. Now maybe that's the "lie" you think I've joined, are the public media demands, the rural hospital funding reversal and, by the way, the demand will add $1.5trillion to the deficit/debt. As I understand, from news reports, democrats have offered no "payfors" to offset the $1.5 trillion. Now maybe I'm reading the wrong papers/websites and I wouldn't argue that's possible.

So like I posted earlier, democrats want subsidies....republicans have acknowledged the need for subsidies.....seems like an easy solution. But I come back to my supposition (and I may be 100% wrong) that this all a game that is aimed at propping up democrat senators running in 2026. They need to appear to be fighting trump as they were pilloried by their base after their march concession on funding. And as I proposed, in the end, republicans will agree to add the subsidies now and maybe throw something else in democrats will give up all the other demands and both sides will declare victory. We'll see.

Hope that clarifies my thoughts. And, I don't believe what members of either party, and just for good measure, I don't believe what I read or what I see on any of the TV networks or cable shows.

Doesn't negate the fact that our Congress is dysfunctional

 

[UrHuckleberry]

I'm really not sure how you come to that conclusion from my post. Either I wasn't clear, or you're interpreting incorrectly. Let me try again...

I don't want universal healthcare...but this shutdown is about more than just healthcare subsidies. Republicans, it has been reported and I have witnessed in interviews, agree that the ACA subsidies need to be re authorized. And they have stated the intent to begin discussions on that topic between now and expiration. Like I posted, so what's the problem?

Now, in addition, and what you and the Democrats are failing to point out are the other things on the Democrats list. Now maybe that's the "lie" you think I've joined, are the public media demands, the rural hospital funding reversal and, by the way, the demand will add $1.5trillion to the deficit/debt. As I understand, from news reports, democrats have offered no "payfors" to offset the $1.5 trillion. Now maybe I'm reading the wrong papers/websites and I wouldn't argue that's possible.

So like I posted earlier, democrats want subsidies....republicans have acknowledged the need for subsidies.....seems like an easy solution. But I come back to my supposition (and I may be 100% wrong) that this all a game that is aimed at propping up democrat senators running in 2026. They need to appear to be fighting trump as they were pilloried by their base after their march concession on funding. And as I proposed, in the end, republicans will agree to add the subsidies now and maybe throw something else in democrats will give up all the other demands and both sides will declare victory. We'll see.

Hope that clarifies my thoughts. And, I don't believe what members of either party, and just for good measure, I don't believe what I read or what I see on any of the TV networks or cable shows.

Doesn't negate the fact that our Congress is dysfunctional

Your post started with this:
"I don't understand why democrats would chose this hill to die on.

I understand that it's an anti trump, buck up schumer's democrat party standing for 2026, and it's all the leverage Dems have, but a large % of Americans are 100% against any funding for undocumented migrant's Medicaid or ACA subsidies. "

I am not sure why that is relevant or how I am supposed to read or interpret that otherwise.

 

[baltimorened]

Your post started with this:
"I don't understand why democrats would chose this hill to die on.

I understand that it's an anti trump, buck up schumer's democrat party standing for 2026, and it's all the leverage Dems have, but a large % of Americans are 100% against any funding for undocumented migrant's Medicaid or ACA subsidies. "

I am not sure why that is relevant or how I am supposed to read or interpret that otherwise.

read it as it is written.. and I believe it's a factual statement. Now if you have something that shows data where Americans are for Medicaid or ACA subsidies for undocumented migrants. I'd be happy to entertain it.

And, I still don't understand why democrats would die - figuratively speaking - for something republicans have already said they would do. I interpret your posts as indicating that you support this?

Don't you think it just a mite hypocritical for democrats to shut the government over a $1.5 trillion addition to the debt after constantly bringing up the additional debt added by the BBB?

 

[UrHuckleberry]

read it as it is written.. and I believe it's a factual statement. Now if you have something that shows data where Americans are for Medicaid or ACA subsidies for undocumented migrants. I'd be happy to entertain it.

And, I still don't understand why democrats would die - figuratively speaking - for something republicans have already said they would do. I interpret your posts as indicating that you support this?

There is zero reason to mention it, and I believe it is at minimum intentionally misleading. If we were discussing a bill about DEI, and I stated "but most American's are 100% against firing all black and brown people" while arguing against a GOP position, the implication is that that statement is what the GOP position is on DEI.

That statement of fact is only included because the Republican's have been lying about the Dem's position.

 

[baltimorened]

There is zero reason to mention it, and I believe it is at minimum intentionally misleading. If we were discussing a bill about DEI, and I stated "but most American's are 100% against firing all black and brown people" while arguing against a GOP position, the implication is that that statement is what the GOP position is on DEI.

That statement of fact is only included because the Republican's have been lying about the Dem's position.

I think you are a rational person..so am I. It appears we are going around and around saying the same things. I'm trying to be clear and you just aren't seeing it. So, why don't we just move on to the next topic.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

I think you are a rational person..so am I. It appears we are going around and around saying the same things. I'm trying to be clear and you just aren't seeing it. So, why don't we just move on to the next topic.

Works for me

 

[Jfcarter3]

Trump is so far ahead of the commie left its almost sad but I love it anyway.

In my head this is how a dog must see its master. Unconditional love and adoration no matter how unwarranted it is.

 

[Statepawdog]

Trump is full of anger and rage against Democrats. He is willing to let Americans suffer and experience hard times. Why? The Democrats continue to pursue the Epstein files and Trump knows that this will be his demise. Trump has stated that anyone who votes to open the files will consider that to be an " hostile act." When a reporter ask Epstein " Did you ever see Trump date a young girl?" What was Epstein's response. I plead the fifth on that question. Trump is making America suffer so he can continue to keep those files undercover.

 

[baltimorened]

Oh haha that's funny. You want to talk now about the other party and it's actions in government? Why? Go ahead fire everyone that's the republican plan.

I really don't think that's the plan. But a return to pre pandemic financial levels is not a far out proposition. We seemed to be doing OK back then. In fact some members of both parties called for reduced spending in the years before 2020.

 

[LafayetteBear]

my reason,..there have been numerous democrats in interviews who have stated their position to provide healthcare to ALL. And, a large % of Americans are 100% against any funding for undocumented migrant's Medicaid or ACA subsidies.
I used to play in this Congressional world. I understand the dynamic of over/under/mis stating of the opponents positions as well as their own position. Goes back to one of my current tenents...we can't believe or trust what either party says.

In this case, the trump administration doesn't want to end subsidies and the Democrats don' t want subsidies for undocumented. (some do, but the majority know it's a vote killer)

Ned: So saying "numerous democrats ... have stated their position to provide healthcare to ALL" is the same as saying that illegal immigrants are in fact eligible for Medicare or ACA subsidies? Or saying that Democrats have made it their official party position to provide such benefits to illegal immigrants? That's awesome. But I think you can do better if you don't want to be lumped in with TigerGrowls and FatPiggy.

 

[baltimorened]

Ned: So saying "numerous democrats ... have stated their position to provide healthcare to ALL" is the same as saying that illegal immigrants are in fact eligible for Medicare or ACA subsidies? Or saying that Democrats have made it their official party position to provide such benefits to illegal immigrants? That's awesome. But I think you can do better if you don't want to be lumped in with TigerGrowls and FatPiggy.

obviously @Urhuckelberry was right in that my post must have led people to the wrong conclusion. Since I know that you are indeed a reasonable poster.

know that illegal immigrants are not eligible for federal Medicaid or ACA subsidies. And I am not intimating that doing so is the current position officially of the democrat party.

I should have been clearer that there are members of the democrat Congress who want to provide health care - be it Medicaid or ACA subsidies - to illegal immigrants. And I restate that IMO the majority of Americans are against doing that

I hope that clarifies. I appreciate your jumping in.

 

[baltimorened]

obviously @Urhuckelberry was right in that my post must have led people to the wrong conclusion. Since I know that you are indeed a reasonable poster.

know that illegal immigrants are not eligible for federal Medicaid or ACA subsidies. And I am not intimating that doing so is the current position officially of the democrat party.

I should have been clearer that there are members of the democrat Congress who want to provide health care - be it Medicaid or ACA subsidies - to illegal immigrants. And I restate that IMO the majority of Americans are against doing that

I hope that clarifies. I appreciate your jumping in.

ok at the risk of reopening my own wound.....and I freely admit I did not know this before now. But just read an article where VP Vance calls out the specific proposal by democrats to restore funding for illegal immigrant's healthcare And to be clear, there are his words not mine. These were called out:

1 the Biden era program provided illegal migrants emergency healthcare at hospitals. The BBB tightened who could receive emergency treatment and reduced the federal match for emergency only treatment.

2. Vance said a second Biden-era program gave mass parole to millions of illegal aliens and simultaneously made the parolees eligible for taxpayer-funded healthcare.
The "big, beautiful bill" removed parolees from eligibility for taxpayer-subsidized credits that were once provided under the Affordable Care Act by redefining who is an "eligible alien."

"In the ‘one big, beautiful bill,’ President Trump and congressional Republicans turned off that money to healthcare funding for illegal aliens," Vance said.

Both of these were part of the democrat's proposal for keeping the government open.

So, it does seem as if part of the Democrats proposal was reinstatement of healthcare benefits for illegal migrants. Again, I admit I didn't know this until just now.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

ok at the risk of reopening my own wound.....and I freely admit I did not know this before now. But just read an article where VP Vance calls out the specific proposal by democrats to restore funding for illegal immigrant's healthcare And to be clear, there are his words not mine. These were called out:

1 the Biden era program provided illegal migrants emergency healthcare at hospitals. The BBB tightened who could receive emergency treatment and reduced the federal match for emergency only treatment.

2. Vance said a second Biden-era program gave mass parole to millions of illegal aliens and simultaneously made the parolees eligible for taxpayer-funded healthcare.
The "big, beautiful bill" removed parolees from eligibility for taxpayer-subsidized credits that were once provided under the Affordable Care Act by redefining who is an "eligible alien."

"In the ‘one big, beautiful bill,’ President Trump and congressional Republicans turned off that money to healthcare funding for illegal aliens," Vance said.

Both of these were part of the democrat's proposal for keeping the government open.

So, it does seem as if part of the Democrats proposal was reinstatement of healthcare benefits for illegal migrants. Again, I admit I didn't know this until just now.

They are required by federal law to be covered for Emergency medicine. There was an audit of California that basically said they claimed things that weren't actually emergency, and the report suggested they refund the federal government. Still significantly different than providing ACA, etc. And wasn't a national position they were fighting for.

EMTALA requires emergency care regardless of status: https://www.cms.gov/medicare/regulations-guidance/legislation/emergency-medical-treatment-labor-act

 

[baltimorened]

They are required by federal law to be covered for Emergency medicine. There was an audit of California that basically said they claimed things that weren't actually emergency, and the report suggested they refund the federal government. Still significantly different than providing ACA, etc. And wasn't a national position they were fighting for.

EMTALA requires emergency care regardless of status: https://www.cms.gov/medicare/regulations-guidance/legislation/emergency-medical-treatment-labor-act

by the way, just to be bipartisan, the Democrats say the Vance statement is "a damned lie".

So once again, who do you believe? Take your pick

By the way, historically most members seldom read what's in the bills before they vote. So it's entirely possible that members of both parties are making statements based on what they have been told and not what they read. So, everyone speaking out might be right, or they may all be wrong

Notwithstanding all of that, if democrats say there is no intent to demand healthcare for undocumented migrants and republicans say they won't fund the same, the solution seems relatively straightforward. Bear and I could solve this in a half hour

 

[Clemson Goat]

Should be a bipartisan issue.

Add term limits to the bill...

 

[baltimorened]

Add term limits to the bill...

I don't know if you remember, but back in the 90s term limits were the "in" thing. Lots of folks ran on the promise of serviing only x number of terms. Well, you can guess how that went. Right after their "last" election quite a few came up with the concept that the "constituents wanted him/her to run again". So their term limit commitment turned into an "OK I'll run again and let the voters decide". And these days the districts are so gerrymandered that if you a democrat in a democrat district you'll be reelected.

When it comes to term limits we have to remember that the goal of a politician is to win reelection. They can, and often do, say whatever it takes to win the election now. Worrying about an election 6 years out (3 House terms) can wait for five years and things can change rapidly during that time. Believe it or not our politicians are not the most trustworthy among us