LOVE THE COMING DEMOCRATIC SHUMER GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN
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The ACA is failing for all to see... lol.... "Affordable" Care Act....
Remember when Gruber admitted your party leadership had to lie about it to people like you to get support for it?? By now, you should be embarrassed. Democrats need to make temporary credits for a global pandemic permanent to help it work.... for now.....
Spoke to a woman who bought a bronze plan. Cost her $11+ grand a year for the policy with a $7500 deductible. She typically pays cash instead of using the plan..... It's cheaper...
Republicans made sure it failed as it resembles nothing like it was initially proposed. When you de-construct a plan as intentionally and drastically as they did, of course you can say it's bad.....now....which is exactly what they planned.
I guess the republican plan will be coming in about..... TWO WEEKS?
At least you are admitting it failed. Kudos for being in reality.
Please recall though that the democratic party voted for it without any republican support. It was a leftwing failure from Day 1. There is little merit in the belief that a government has to do something, anything for the sake of doing something or anything, and only to appease their own egos (which is a democrat specialty... just look at having James Taylor play at the White House for the so called "Inflation Reduction Act.")
true, but republicans have to bear a share of the blame for ACA. They decided to sit out the planning instead of providing their ideas. If we had both parties involved we likely would have come up with a better plan where both had some ownership.
Wrong, they needed to do something, I personally know of people who would have never gotten insurance otherwise but it required the mandate to keep from costs from going up and you know who killed that, so when you take healthy people out of the risk pool, well this is what happens. It still had merits though
Approximately 50 to 129 million non-elderly Americans, or 19% to 50% of that population, have at least one pre-existing condition. The number of people with these conditions increases significantly with age, from about 20% of young adults (18-24) to 86% of those aged 55-64. The prevalence also varies by insurance type, state, and race/ethnicity.
By age
- 18-24: Around 20% have a diagnosed pre-existing condition.
- 25-34: Around 25% have a diagnosed pre-existing condition.
- 35-44: More than 30% have a diagnosed pre-existing condition.
- 45-54: Around 40% have a diagnosed pre-existing condition.
- 55-64: Approximately 86% have a pre-existing condition.
That would have been nice if true. Democrats didn't need or want input. This is the precise moment I realized Obama, who I strongly considered voting for, was just the usual political hack looking to fulfill his own wants and needs.
Gutierrez says hundreds of Republican amendments in ACA
Republicans continue to sell their health care plan in an effort to deliver on a party-wide campaign promise to repeal a
www.politifact.com
Obamacare Included Republican Ideas, but the G.O.P. Health Plan Has Left Democrats Out (Published 2017)
How much input did the opposing party have in shaping the Affordable Care Act versus the Republican health care plan?
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I don't know if ever discussed here, and I might be 100% wrong (and even if 1% wrong I'm sure someone will point that out.)
But, only God knows how many $$billions of dollars has been paid out by both American citizens in the form of premiums, copays, deductibles and by the federal government in the form of subsidies and other costs over the 15 years of the ACA. And our healthcare system has only gotten worse.
Covering those with pre existing conditions is one of the positive parts of the ACA and must be preserved. But maybe there's a better way. I believe that there was a proposal for a "high risk pool" for want of a better term , where these pre existing folks could get insurance. Sure their premiums would be higher but with government backing could be made reasonable . Anyway I'm not a health insurance expert, but there are plenty out there that could come up with better ways to do this. The concept of paying premiums twice as high as pre ACA and deductibles in the high $thousands really needs to be fixed.
You were lied to once.............. Now you are falling for it again.
EVERYONE IS SICK AND NEEDS OBAMACARE TO SAVE THEM..... lol...
If you cannot afford medical care, you should simply be put on Medicaid. Period. What is a few million more on top of 25% of our nation??
Oh that's right. Obama didn't invent Medicaid....
Nope just shared blame for something that could not work.
HC is inelastic demand. You either artificially inject competition or you ration it.
Government run HC is heavily rationed for anything but basic care.
Just looked at it yesterday and there are 33K pages of regulations since passage. Technocrats have come up with a plan of 33K and things are worse.
Now I will give the short version of my plan:
HC industry will give everyone access to the same treatments at the same price regardless of ability to pay.
Ins companies will charge the same premium to all customers. You take a premium you pay the total bill.
Charge backs fall on the Docs and Hospitals not the patient.
The industry will not be allowed to bankrupt the patient with limited ability to garnish wages for a limited time at a set low total percentage. I.e. whether you got 1 or 20 bills they only get to take a total of 5% of your after tax for say 5-7 years.
No attachment to estates. Bill dies with you. (Now ins better get their act together cause some people take the 5% route rather than pay a high premium.)
Patent reform that expedites low cost generics.
Tort reform.
Now these should be the rules.
Step back and let Doctors, Hospitals and Ins companies figure out how they are going to make it happen while still making a profit.
how selfish of those controllers.
Think they might be using "leverage"?. Good for the goose, good for the gander
In 2025 why tf would anyone support this? I don't say this in a partisan/lefty manner, but seriously. Wtf?
There's no logical reason to blame Republicans for rising healthcare premiums. I know that dems will blame repubs for everything though.
well, if the republicans had not passed the affordable care act we wouldn't have this problem.
No republican votes on the ACA Ned. Documented fact.
AI Overview
It is correct that the
Affordable Care Act (ACA) was passed without a single Republican vote in the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate. The legislation was approved along party lines in 2010.
Key details of the vote:
- U.S. House of Representatives: The final vote was 219 in favor and 212 against. Every Republican representative voted against the bill, along with 34 Democrats.
- U.S. Senate: The bill passed by a vote of 60 to 39. All 60 senators who caucused with the Democratic party voted to approve the measure, while all Republicans voted in opposition.
Who wins Growls? Do you think this "win" will make your party more popular after they **** over the people who put them in power?
They are not hurting MAGA supporters to any appreciable extent guaranteed. Is my Healthcare costs increasing for next year? Yes. Is it due to anything Trump did? No.
The subsidies were mainly subsidizing Healthcare for illegal aliens. Some Americans will pay more but they can thank Obama and democrats for it. This all will just make Trump more popular. We will not be manipulated by the communist insurrectionists otherwise known as democrats.
No Republicans voted for the ACA. The shoe fits and yall are wearing it.
How do you think these 24 million people will vote next year after he bankrupts them to own the libs and preserve the wealth he transferred from the little guy to the top 1%?