announce that they are transferringfrom the BBall team today. How can this be? I thought we were the only team in the country that had players transfer?
LSU had two players
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announce that they are transferringfrom the BBall team today. How can this be? I thought we were the only team in the country that had players transfer?
who average at least 10 minutes per game transfer. If a player transfers because he wasn't getting any playing time, that doesn't hurt you, it frees up a scholarship for you. But when a starter transfers, that hurts. And we've had a lot of starters transfer.
hansbrough and...?<div>
</div><div>we've had some guys who started some but usually ended up losing PT for 1 reason or another and left.</div><div>
</div><div>and depending on who you ask, many people who were on campus during hansbrough's 2 years will tell you that from day 1 he was open to other students about how he was transferring from msu as soon as he established himself as a decent CBB player. remember we were his only major offer, and sounds like he used us to spring board to a program with more name recognition.</div><div>
</div><div>lots of things you can ***** about with stans, but the whole transferring **** is overblown.</div>
</div><div>we've had some guys who started some but usually ended up losing PT for 1 reason or another and left.</div><div>
</div><div>and depending on who you ask, many people who were on campus during hansbrough's 2 years will tell you that from day 1 he was open to other students about how he was transferring from msu as soon as he established himself as a decent CBB player. remember we were his only major offer, and sounds like he used us to spring board to a program with more name recognition.</div><div>
</div><div>lots of things you can ***** about with stans, but the whole transferring **** is overblown.</div>
Not overblown at all is it
Not to mention 2 of those guys were 4 star recruits and one was drafted.
Not to mention 2 of those guys were 4 star recruits and one was drafted.
Hansbrough, Delk twins, Ervin, Turner, Osby and now Bailey were all either starters or significant contributors who transferred just in the last few years. Granted Osby wasn't a starter but he very well could have been this year had he stayed. And I guess the Turner and Bailey transfers were more forced than voluntary.
KurtRambis4 said:
they didnt have a Sr on their team this year, but have 2 signees coming in, plus a 6'11 transfer from Iowa State joining them this Fall...no place for the walk-on when you have a McD's AA coming onto the roster
SC's transfers are more alarming- that wasnt supposed to happen. Big blow to their program
still doesn't change the fact that two guys are transferring. People act like we are the only program that have transfers, and they go ape-**** when someone leaves. I think it's ridiculous, too, but that is just how collegebasketball is. For the record, I think coaches have a shelf life of around 10 years (unless they are top 10 coaches) so I think Stansbury is probably burned out and we need to get someone younger.
and only a few anti Stansbury are concerned. It is common knowledge that nobody was too upset about Irvin leaving and too my knowledge the only player that our staff was to upset about was Ben. It is also common knowledge that Ben's old man was a jerk to deal with and I was told by a Notre Dame former player who played on the team that beat UCLA years ago that Brey had his fill of the good Dr. Hansborough too. Anybody that is crying about Sharpe, Bailey, Goodridge, or anybody else in that group has no clue as to the problems they were creating.
If our staff wasnt concerned about Osby leaving then they really are the retarded morons many of us think they are. He would have been big for us this past season and then perfect to start at the 3 next season
Excuse after excuse after excuse out of you
Excuse after excuse after excuse out of you
Osby a 3? He doesn't really have the skills to play the 3, maybe you need to spend a few less hours on the internet and read up on basketball since you like to post about it so much.<div>
</div><div>He would've been good to have though, as he was basically equal to Kodi and better than Wendell. But he's no Moultrie and therefore would've never started here, and he thinks too highly of himself to be a guy that comes off the bench his entire career. </div>
</div><div>He would've been good to have though, as he was basically equal to Kodi and better than Wendell. But he's no Moultrie and therefore would've never started here, and he thinks too highly of himself to be a guy that comes off the bench his entire career. </div>
bailey and turner were obvious forced transfers. sharpe was also a problem shild and might have been forced out, and it definitely benefited rhodes to have him gone. and didn't sharpe get arrested at least once or twice at uab? <div>maroonmania said:
</div><div>osby is a weird one</div><div>
</div><div>ervin and the delks were not that great. yes ervin was a starter, however i don't think anyone was upset for him to leave. and he went on to be pretty mediocre at arkansas too, so the problem obviously wasn't just stans. the delks were lsoing time fast to hansbrough and stewart. one transfered to louisville and unsurprisingly rode the bench, and the other trasnferred to a small school in tenn and put up solid numbers, but against low end competition.</div><div>
</div><div>so yeah, only hansbrough and maybe osby are guys i consider to be harmful losses. and as i said already, many msu stduents on campus during hansbrough's 1st 2 years to this day say that he was planning on transferring after 1-2 years at msu from day 1. as for osby, we'll see what happens with him in oklahoma. he may not pan out to be anything more than an adequate PF.</div><div>
</div><div>just seems like a lot of these guys thought they were better than they actually were, transferred out to try to find a coach that could cater to their obviously superior talents, only to find out that stans wasn't the only one who thought they were role players.</div>
fwiw there are lots of things to complain about with stans. lots. <div>Coach34 said:
</div><div>i just think this one particular matter is not one that deserves as much attention as it gets because (1) it's what happens with CBB and (2) of the guys who have transferred, only 1 for sure probably hurt us and maybe only 2 depending on what osby does, the rest were big time chemistry problems (this exists everywhere, not just msu, it's a CBB thing) or marginal players.</div><div>
</div><div>though i guess it's unsurprising that the average poster latches on to the transfer **** to ***** about instead of trying to breakdown our offense or game managing to ***** about.</div>
Coach34 said:
But since you obviously never went to a practice you didn't see that he didn't want to play inside and couldn't make a doggone layup when he did. He was not going to beat out Kodi and yes, I'm sure he could have helped us some but your hatred for Stans is a lot stronger than any so called allegiance I have to the winningest basketball coach in MSU history. Osby would be a Senior had he stayed, and he would not beat out Moultrie, so at best he would be a reserve and I would take my chances with possibly Hood or even Sidney if he is in shape playing the four position some. The only moron on this board is you,, and for sure you are the most mentally deranged posting every day about our basketball and criticizing our staff when you have never coached one day on the collegiate level and very little even in high school which is light years differnt than Division 1A.
Not only did you reply correctly, you even stepped up to the QUOTE level.
You CAN teach an old dawg new tricks.
You CAN teach an old dawg new tricks.
DawgatAuburn said:
Out of curiosity, how old is Coach34? Did he coach when they jumped it up after every basket orwere his Junior High teams all lilly white and in private academies. Just curious, no offense, but I doubt he is much different in age than me.
Romero is a good player, but Stans has once again failed
to develop a good high school talent and let him waste away on the
bench. It took him two years to realize that he was not going to get any better under the Stands 4 outside and shoot offense, especially with the RSS taking over...
Stans pulled him after one mistake on the court and sat his *** down.
Osby was always looking over his shoulder and second guessing himself,
that is no way to play and only hinders your ability to make plays on
the court. Osby and SWAT worked to pick and
roll to perfection, when he was allowed to play, he also had a good
outside shot and could finish on fast breaks. He was our 9th transfer since 03-04, he was a big loss for the team, make that 11 transfers now..
Osby said he struggled finding his rhythm as a player in the four
out/one in based sets because he felt uncomfortable on the perimeter as
much as the offense called for.
“I felt a lot last season that I
could post up my guy who was usually 6-foot-4 or 6-foot-5 and get easy
buckets that way but I never had the opportunity,”
Despite the
lack of depth in the frontcourt experience coming back next year, Osby
told The Starkville Daily News he was convinced he wouldn’t be
considered for significant minutes during the 2010-11 season.
“I had
given it two years and it didn’t seem like it was going to get any
better for me,” Osby said. “I understand that young players need to
wait their turn but this wasn’t going to work out.”
to develop a good high school talent and let him waste away on the
bench. It took him two years to realize that he was not going to get any better under the Stands 4 outside and shoot offense, especially with the RSS taking over...
Stans pulled him after one mistake on the court and sat his *** down.
Osby was always looking over his shoulder and second guessing himself,
that is no way to play and only hinders your ability to make plays on
the court. Osby and SWAT worked to pick and
roll to perfection, when he was allowed to play, he also had a good
outside shot and could finish on fast breaks. He was our 9th transfer since 03-04, he was a big loss for the team, make that 11 transfers now..
Osby said he struggled finding his rhythm as a player in the four
out/one in based sets because he felt uncomfortable on the perimeter as
much as the offense called for.
“I felt a lot last season that I
could post up my guy who was usually 6-foot-4 or 6-foot-5 and get easy
buckets that way but I never had the opportunity,”
Despite the
lack of depth in the frontcourt experience coming back next year, Osby
told The Starkville Daily News he was convinced he wouldn’t be
considered for significant minutes during the 2010-11 season.
“I had
given it two years and it didn’t seem like it was going to get any
better for me,” Osby said. “I understand that young players need to
wait their turn but this wasn’t going to work out.”
problem with this kinda statement is that i can point out tons of players who improved in 3-4 years under stans too. bowers, zimm, winsome, austin, varnado, stewart, gholar, markell, rhodes, bost, dietric, etc. hell, even jamont and ravern improved even if we all got frustrated with them. <div>fishwater99 said:
</div><div>so yeah, we've watched stans improve a lot of guys over the years. the problem is that casual fans fail to realize how few 4* recruits turn into elite players. they see we landed a 4* and expect him to become carmelo or something, and when he is an avg role player like a majority of 4* players become in college, they blame stans for lack of development.</div><div>
</div><div>like i said, i'm very disappointed about the last few years of bball, and there's a lot to attack stans on (offensive coaching primarily imo, then the lack of strength conditioning we've apparently done the last few years), but you have to accept that in college sports, some guys pan out and some don't and often times it's not necessarily the coach's fault, it's up to the kid to take criticism and improve his game, and spend hours upon hours year round in the gym shooting and running drills. given the lack of practice time coach's have in CBB, it's the players that have to take it on themselves to get better. some do and some don't.</div>
It's crazy. Most of these transfers truly believe they will make it to the NBA. Somebody with some sense needs to talk to these fellas. There are 30 teams in the NBA and there are 2 rounds in the annual draft. Only 1st round picks get guaranteed contracts. So, 60 players are chosen each year. Those 60 are from around the WORLD, not just US colleges. These kids need to understand they have an opportunity at a free education, so shut up, go to class, try to make it to the NBA, but be prepared to be a productive citizen when your colleges days are over.
Without any help from our coach or staff, and you are correct that some just don't pan out. <span style="font-weight: bold;">I am willing to bet Romero has pretty good year at OU next year...</span><br style="font-weight: bold;">
<span class="entry-content">
Osby averaged only 4.3 points his two
seasons at Mississippi State. Part of the low production was he came
off the bench. He averaged only 13 minutes a game with the Bulldogs.</p>
"When
you don't get as much playing time you're not as confident," Osby said.
"Confidence is a big key. But sitting out has helped me work on my
game. I'm confident I can help this team. I just try to be dominant in
whatever I'm doing."</p></span>http://newsok.com/how-rom...e-future/article/3540226
Oklahoma is struggling this season, but the team is encouraged by 6-8 junior transfer forward Romero Osby.</p>
Osby has reportedly been dominating practices with the Sooners.</p>
"By far the most talented player on our team," sophomore Andrew Fitzgerald said.</p>
"Romero is very talented," said Capel. "Anyone who has seen our
practices, within the first five minutes they talk about the difference
he will make. And we feel very good about recruiting."</p>http://basketball.realgm....ating_Oklahoma_Practices
http://www.soonersports.c...rchive/2010-11_blog.html
<span class="entry-content">
Osby averaged only 4.3 points his two
seasons at Mississippi State. Part of the low production was he came
off the bench. He averaged only 13 minutes a game with the Bulldogs.</p>
"When
you don't get as much playing time you're not as confident," Osby said.
"Confidence is a big key. But sitting out has helped me work on my
game. I'm confident I can help this team. I just try to be dominant in
whatever I'm doing."</p></span>http://newsok.com/how-rom...e-future/article/3540226
Oklahoma is struggling this season, but the team is encouraged by 6-8 junior transfer forward Romero Osby.</p>
Osby has reportedly been dominating practices with the Sooners.</p>
"By far the most talented player on our team," sophomore Andrew Fitzgerald said.</p>
"Romero is very talented," said Capel. "Anyone who has seen our
practices, within the first five minutes they talk about the difference
he will make. And we feel very good about recruiting."</p>http://basketball.realgm....ating_Oklahoma_Practices
http://www.soonersports.c...rchive/2010-11_blog.html
Let me get this straight. When a player improves then it is because they did it on their own. When a player does not improve then it is Stansbury's fault. Bout right?
I agree with the earlier poster. There are a million things to rip Stansbury over (ie conditioning, sceduling, horrid offense,etc.)but the player development is one of the weakest.
I do agree however that I think Osby will turn out to be a good player for OU once he gets his confidence back. I was really disappointed with his play last year when Ravern was suspended for the UK game at home and Osby got the start. That was his golden chance to shine and he played uptight and nervous. I think he just needs to get comfortable with being on the court before he can really excell.</p>
I agree with the earlier poster. There are a million things to rip Stansbury over (ie conditioning, sceduling, horrid offense,etc.)but the player development is one of the weakest.
I do agree however that I think Osby will turn out to be a good player for OU once he gets his confidence back. I was really disappointed with his play last year when Ravern was suspended for the UK game at home and Osby got the start. That was his golden chance to shine and he played uptight and nervous. I think he just needs to get comfortable with being on the court before he can really excell.</p>
Coach34 said:
You are some kind of tool. His defense was awful and his ballhandling was not very good either. I am not going to argue with you because we all know you are never wrong. I guess if he had stayed and kept shooting 40% from 3 pt range, you would have been bitching about him jacking up three's. Glad to know you are 41, must be nice to sit on your *** all day on the computer at 41. Some of us worked all our lives and understand what it takes to make a living. Now, I get it, you must have tried to go out with Meo and she laughed at you and that explains your hatred for Rick.
Why the Fhave so many players in the last half decade had attitude issues?!?! Why the F is the staff recruiting and signing these guys?Dawgbreeze said:
We noticethem more because they are our guys and we follow them closely. Plenty of coaches have alot of transfers for a variety of reasons, not the least of which are attitude problems.mstateglfr said:
Pick any three teams in the country and follow them as close as you do MSU and you will see this stuff everywhere. Sometimes if a player is talented enough you overlook the attitudeissues and take a chance.
I don't care when we lose the bad eggs like Sharpe and Ervinno matter how talented they are but losing good guys like Hansbrough and Osby hurts and I agreethere is no excuse for it.
It's his job to deal with players' egos and attitudes. If he's losing this many players because they have bad attitudes, then he's either doing a bad job of recruiting, or a bad job of handling the players when they get here. This doesn't excuse some of those players, but just because it's their fault doesn't mean it's not Stans's fault too.
on fish. You can't blame a player's lack of development on the coaches then say when guys do develop it's because they did so on their own.
That's just a fact. Just like I have anti-Stans bias. That doesn't change the fact that we have a transfer problem at MSU. Osby was a good player, who worked hard, but he still needed some time and coaching to develop into a better player. Stans has developed some good defensive players, I give you that, but offense that is another story. Like Patdog said, either Stans is recruiting the wrong players or he has a problem dealing with them once on campus, it might be a combination of both..
fishwater99 said:
I think to a degree Stansbury feels like he has to take chances on recruits with questionable attitudes because those are the ones that may have the talent to go to a bigger basketball school but are overlooked because of their attitude. Lets face it, if Sidney did not have questions about him coming out of high school then he would not be at MSU. Same went for Walter Sharpe.