LSU to Require Proof of vaccine or Negative Covid test.

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Why should health insurance be omitted from being allowed to charge more for costly personal decisions?

Life Insurance Companies charged more for smokers in the 19th Century.

Insurance has always had the leeway to charge dependent on such things, until government intervenes (like on pre-existing conditions).
 

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Frankly, I’ve never met one.

Is there a source identifying their political leanings?

The portions of the broader “medical community” I have encountered typically tend right, with the exception of nurses.
There is, but I don't recall the link. Surgeons were the most conservative medical professionals and epidemologists were overwhelmingly liberal. On Twitter, most of the prominent ones have pronouns in their bios.
 
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Frankly, I’ve never met one.

Is there a source identifying their political leanings?

The portions of the broader “medical community” I have encountered typically tend right, with the exception of nurses.
The doctors at my practice are conservative and at the other practice down the hall, the only one I’ve talked with enough to know any of his political leanings is conservative as well.

Alas, those are the only five doctors I personally know where I know anything about their political leanings.
 

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And when someone's best argument to me is about Noah, who didn't really exist,

I can’t prove to you that Noah existed, but the better argument (to one presumably a “Biblical literalist) is that vaccines are not described in the Bible as the mark of the Beast, if for no other reason, they leave no mark.

Now, the scar left from my small pox vaccination in 1969 might qualify . . . but I’ve never heard anyone argue that, and I come from a rural, charismatic/Christian background (but no snakes).
 

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There is, but I don't recall the link. Surgeons were the most conservative medical professionals and epidemologists were overwhelmingly liberal. On Twitter, most of the prominent ones have pronouns in their bios.
I have never seen someone use a pronoun in their name. I guess I'm behind on that one. I had to look it up. Oh well...
 

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I can’t prove to you that Noah existed, but the better argument (to one presumably a “Biblical literalist) is that vaccines are not described in the Bible as the mark of the Beast, if for no other reason, they leave no mark.

Now, the scar left from my small pox vaccination in 1969 might qualify . . . but I’ve never heard anyone argue that, and I come from a rural, charismatic/Christian background (but no snakes).
Why no snakes? Lol. JK but I have read the Bible and their argument that it is the mark or something similar, like changes your DNA, goes against what the Bible says. I'm no scholar but you nailed the mark question, and the DNA thing is crazy and easily refuted
 
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Is there a source identifying their political leanings?

There is, but I don't recall the link.



 
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You mean people infecting others because they think the vaccine is a political tool? I agree. That is evil. Protecting another human being by getting a GD shot should be a no brainer for every human on this earth.

Unless they have no brain. That would fit the logic, I guess.
Hey *******!!! I have a kickass immune system I don’t want ****** with. The vaccine will alter your immune system so good luck with that. If you have a crappy immune system then no harm in you getting a shot, you have nothing to lose. I’m not messing with my immune system that is served me well for 53 years. It’s not about just wanting to avoid a shot you pretentious prick!!!!!
 

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Hey *******!!! I have a kickass immune system I don’t want ****ed with. The vaccine will alter your immune system so good luck with that. If you have a crappy immune system then no harm in you getting a shot, you have nothing to lose. I’m not messing with my immune system that is served me well for 53 years. It’s not about just wanting to avoid a shot you pretentious prick!!!!!
Calm down there Fonzie. He didn't know you have the Chuck Norris of immune systems
 

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Well, political breakdowns of medical professionals!!

Gastroenterologists look evenly split,
But, I have to ask “Who really gives a ****,”
And surgeons are Red, Whilst Shrinks are Blue,
If I had either’s tax rates,
I’d be a conservative too!!
 
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I can’t prove to you that Noah existed, but the better argument (to one presumably a “Biblical literalist) is that vaccines are not described in the Bible as the mark of the Beast, if for no other reason, they leave no mark.

Now, the scar left from my small pox vaccination in 1969 might qualify . . . but I’ve never heard anyone argue that, and I come from a rural, charismatic/Christian background (but no snakes).
No but if they start saying you can’t buy or sell without it it’s the mark or at least part of the mark
 

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No but if they start saying you can’t buy or sell without it it’s the mark or at least part of the mark

I’ve heard nothing about prohibitions on buying or selling, but could not have attended public schools absent the small pox vaccine that was administered to all kids until 1968.
 

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The large-scale study out of Israel, conducted on over half a million people, compared the immunity of patients who had received two doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech injection to unvaccinated people who had been previously infected.

"This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity,” researchers concluded.



Alarmingly, the study also found that people who had been vaccinated have a 13-fold increased risk of breakthrough infection from the dreaded Delta variant, compared to the previously infected.

“People given both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were almost six-fold more likely to contract a delta infection and seven-fold more likely to have symptomatic disease than those who recovered,” reported Bloomberg, commenting the data demonstrates the “challenge” of solely relying on a vaccine to defeat Covid.

“SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected,” researchers also stated.
So, people that have had the vaccine aren't as protected as people that have had the virus? Maybe, but are you willing to get the virus instead of getting vaccinated? Because we know that getting the vaccine greatly reduces your chance of getting the virus, and for those that get the virus despite being vaccinated, they don't get nearly as sick and don't die. So if your point is that people that have had the virus are better off than those that have been vaccinated, I say so what. What about the people, most of the ones arguing, that have had neither.
 
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The vast majority of epidemiologists are "woke" and as much into political science as actual science and it's not as if most of their wild predictions came true in the first place over this. In any event we are governed by elected officials, not epidemiologists, and I place more trust in the Constitution of the United States of America than I do the likes of Neil Ferguson.
Name this "vast majority" you speak of. The ones at Johns Hopkins, Cleveland Clinic, Mayo Clinic, etc. How many have you identified that are "woke" as you put it? Tell me where in the Constitution that says the government can't protect the populous from a pandemic. I'll wait.
 

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That is absolutely stupid logic....then I guess you should pay higher health insurance rates if you speed in your car, if you're an over eater, if you intake too much sugar leading to diabetes, if you drink too much, if you eat too much junk food.......this is the insanity of what you're implying....where does logic like that stop?

Once you open that can of worms, there is no going back. There are all kinds of abuses humans can do that lead to poor health/ disease. I don't think you want to live in a world where you're monitored that closely.

This virus has been highly politicized and has also been used as an experiment of control over a populace. Just look at what's happening in Australia right now and it's a preview of what could possibly happen here.....the loss of rights and total martial law.

Nothing being done by Australian Gov't has anything to do with science. BTW, the only masks that even come close to protecting you from viral droplets/ tiny micron mist, is an N95, N99 or N100 mask. The paper or cloth face diapers which majority of people wear, are WORTHLESS..... read the CDC's own data on masks. Not to mention a lot of wear them wrong leaving their nose exposed and then constantly touching them. If you can blow smoke through it or smell a fart through it, it's absolutely worthless
You obviously haven't bought much insurance lately. You are absolutely charged more for insurance if you have driving problems (car insurance). Health insurance now has rate reductions if you can show your weight and blood numbers are good. Life insurance has always charged people more if they had any health issues, even those that don't kill you. Read the websites of all of the top medical facilities in this country, Johns Hopkins, Cleveland Clinic, Mayo Clinic, Cal Berkley...they all say that masks help slow the spread. No one has ever said that it is 100%, but is it not responsible to slow it the best we can?
 

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The vaccine is going to kill a lot of people down the road it’s killed a lot already but it’s what it does to your body that’s going to kill people down the road it’s destroying people immune system
Untrue. It has not "killed a bunch already". The virus on the other hand.....
 
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You are ignorant and obnoxious. The ignore list is good place for you.
Please ignore me and go read Genesis again. That will save you. If you read it close, you will realize that there are two totally different stories of creation.
 

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What's everyone have in their hand all the time? What are they doing in NYC, Europe, etc?

But that's all neither here nor there, really... hopefully ate least

What's important is that there's no reason whatsoever to sacrifice individual liberty for a leaky vaccine. It's way past time to get back to normal, if we still can. Take the vaccine and let's move on, but forced vaccinations, directly or indirectly, are unjustifiable and unAmerican.
 

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Untrue. It has not "killed a bunch already". The virus on the other hand.....
Define a bunch? There have been over 12,000 deaths reported in the US from the vaccine, over 4500 within 2 days of the vaccine. Do we need to reach 25,000 before it’s considered a bunch? How much is a bunch?
 
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Frankly, I’ve never met one.

Is there a source identifying their political leanings?

The portions of the broader “medical community” I have encountered typically tend right, with the exception of nurses.
Why wife’s office has around 30 employees, including one doctor, three practitioners, a couple RN’s and other staff. I’m pretty sure every one of them are Republicans, and that’s probably how it is in other medical facilities down here as well.
 

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Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018% of doses) among people who got a vaccine, but this does not mean the vaccine caused these deaths. Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case to see if it might be linked to the vaccine. There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine. Since we now know how to correctly treat people who develop these blood clots, future deaths related to this very rare side effect can be prevented.
 
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On what planet is the Constitution inapplicable to the "populous" during a so-called pandemic, you cowardly old goat? No doubt you are fully "vaxxed", so now it's time for people like you to start minding your business.
Also, I would doubt that places like the Cleveland Clinic employ epidemiologists, though I could be wrong. They're social scientists, not doctors, dummy.
Epidemiology is a cornerstone of medicine.
 

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One of the biggest problems in all this has been scientists taking advantage of the public's scientific illiteracy for your own good.

Once you've betrayed people, it's very difficult to get their trust back.
 

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The actual death rate from the virus is between .5% and .7% in this country, or, at least it was that, before vaccines. It's now probably half of whatever it was due to vaccinations. I have no idea where you get the idea it could be at high as 3%- even the case fatality rate, which is based on confirmed cases divided by deaths, is barely over half of that, and no one believes that the total number of cases is limited to confirmed cases- the CDC indicates that there are probably at least three cases for every confirmed case.

The CDC has also said that only between and 8-12% (or something in that vicinity) of the total death count is actually FROM covid.
 

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stinking your finger in your ears and saying na,na,na,na,na,na doesn’t make things less true. You are a true sheep!!!!
Lying and saying $12,000 when all studies show a maximum of $6200 doesn't make it true either. Just saying it and not supporting where you got it seems to be your idea of proof.
 

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Lying and saying $12,000 when all studies show a maximum of $6200 doesn't make it true either. Just saying it and not supporting where you got it seems to be your idea of proof.
So when does a study determine actual deaths. It’s called data, not a study. And those are dollar figures you quoted. it’s real human beings lives I’m talking about, not money lost. People have died and are still dying from complications regarding the vaccine. It’s not even debateable, for you enough people haven’t died yet, you still haven’t came up with an unsatisfactory number, just that it needs to be a bunch. I said ,12,000 people you said 6,200 which I guess still isn’t a bunch. Over 150,000 very bad adverse effects globally but let’s keep pumping the jab, it’s fda approved afterall.
 

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Over 150,000 very bad adverse effects globally but let’s keep pumping the jab, it’s fda approved afterall.

150K sounds really scary until you take into account 5.9 billion doses have been administered globally.

Roughly 0.000025 percent of vaccinated people had an adverse reaction to the vaccine, according to your numbers. It’s a risk I was willing to take. I’d be much more statistically likely to die in a car crash, electrical storm or mass shooting than of an adverse affect from a vaccine.