And perhaps Stoops miss-spoke. Either way, close enough to not be a prime concern in the pocket.
Maggard lettin fans have it over Johnson
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Only difference is, Johnson is actually fast. Newton was NEVER a dual threat QB. Honestly the only reason Newton was thought to be a dual threat was because he is African American. I hated that expectation for Newton because it wasn't fair. Johnson can run like a deer and if he can pass just enough to keep the defense honest........look out. Hinshaw and Gran have two very important weeks with Johnson to work on plays that'll suit Johnson's ability. Next two weeks are unbelieveably crucial for the path to six wins. It's a damn shame we didn't get that Southern Miss win, because I think the Cats would almost be a lock to get 6. I love the intensity that UK is playing with right now. I fully expect that same effort with a healthier lineup against Miss St. I think the crowd will be good, the stakes high, and Johnson will be more prepared.
Let's be honest. He is great at running and not very good at passing. Hopefully as the year goes on he will improve in the latter. But as someone else said earlier in the thread, he threw three passes that normally would have been interceptions against mid level teams. In all seriousness, UK should have lost this game. Heck, that prevent defense nearly did us in at the end of the game.....but that is a different topic. A win is a win is a win....but gosh darnit...it was damn ugly (and really lucky).
Tennessee has had 5 ugly wins..i dont hear their fans bitchin about them
And look at those qbs towles would be the starter right now on a pretty good team
UK football fans should never be chastised IMO. They have suffered through some of the ugliest football ever played for decades. They pour money into the K Fund and UK in general and get little to nothing in return. They travel and support the football team like it has won numerous championships.
So if they vent and rant some, they've earned the right to do it. You may disagree and that's ok. Let's see what happens if these folks decide to stop giving their money and support.
Why is it that only the positive posters need "thicker skin." The negative posters on here don't seem to have any thicker skin than anyone else.
I"m with you guys. Where are these people who are dumping on Stephen because I sure haven't heard any of it in my circles eithers. And I agree with yours and the OP's sentiment, he's basically a true freshman and has held up pretty well struggles are expected.
I said it before but he was awful throwing Saturday but he does a pretty good job in the read option (Just needs to keep it a few more times) and hides the ball well which I think has helped our backs.
And if he doesn't reach out the ball and make first downs no two critical plays in that game we probably lose. Very heady plays.
It was just a general comment about being so easily offended. It's a message board, if you don't like a comment then move on, maybe hit ignore if you want, or just realize you're too sensitive to be on here.
The program is underachieving in year 4 of the Stoops Era. The critique isnt undeserved or even unique to this board. Local media, sports writers, and fans at the games and at home are sharing the same sentiment.
If this is in reference to Stoops comments, he did not rip the fan base in general, in fact he really didn't rip anyone. What he said was those that post toxic negative comments about the players are not helping the program move forward. So unless you are expressing toxic negative comments towards players his comment doesn't apply to you.
huh, I did not realize that we had five ugly wins.
and I guess, it's hard to hear UT's fans on our message board...
Let's go check out UT's site and see how many UK fans are on their board bitchin about UK wins, shall we?
more random thoughts from UMM.
Maggard knows more football than you will ever know - hell he even knows more than YOU THINK YOU KNOW
I have said from day one that Stephen Johnson at least has a QB brain and isn't a nervous wreck on the field like Towles AND Barker...
I'll take that any day over a QB who is a deer in headlights every time something breaks down.
That is Barker.....That is Towles......They are awful and it shows our past staff doesn't have a clue when it comes to recruiting QBs.
I am convinced that Mark Stoops has NO CLUE about what makes a good SEC QB and he is partly to blame for the pathetic management of this position since he's been here.
He didn't even have a QB coach when Neal Brown was here. This is beyond ridiculous and pathetic management.
I trust Eddie Gran and Hinshaw to get us a decent QB who is serviceable in the SEC.
Fact 1
You don't have to be a member to read posts on this board and we know recruits dad's that are one here.
Fact 2
Players are very active on social media and so is the BBN.
Fact 3
Many posters/ readers got twitter
Fact 4
"Some" UK fans have a tendency to have a bourbon or 10.
So, you combine fact 1 and 2 and players are only one click away from what's posted here.
Then some members or readers combine fact 3 and 4 and take what's posted here to twitter and tweets a player.
Both are a recipe for negativity from us the fans towards the players. Remember that every single word that's written here can be found by a quick Google search. After all this is the Internet, so the wise restrains himself a bit with his posts. FWIW.
You don't have to be a member to read posts on this board and we know recruits dad's that are one here.
Fact 2
Players are very active on social media and so is the BBN.
Fact 3
Many posters/ readers got twitter
Fact 4
"Some" UK fans have a tendency to have a bourbon or 10.
So, you combine fact 1 and 2 and players are only one click away from what's posted here.
Then some members or readers combine fact 3 and 4 and take what's posted here to twitter and tweets a player.
Both are a recipe for negativity from us the fans towards the players. Remember that every single word that's written here can be found by a quick Google search. After all this is the Internet, so the wise restrains himself a bit with his posts. FWIW.
If we were 5-1 right now everyone would be happy no matter how ugly the wins were.
If every single UK fan in the entire state of KENTUCKY were quiet observant sunshine pumping field mice they'd still have exactly the same won-loss record as they do right now. And headed for yet another season of not making a bowl game.
And EVERYONE knows it.
And EVERYONE knows it.
I do t know what anyone expects out of a backup QB at Kentucky. He's 3-1 as the backup. I will take Stephan Johnson 100 tim s out of 100 as our backup QB.
He threw the ball miles better against Clemson than Johnson did vs. Vandy. Johnson has done a decent job stepping into a difficult situation...but his passing was dreadful against VU. He'll have to improve significantly for us to have a chance in the next two games.
Just pointing out that the 'wrong coach's UK has have taken an underweight JUCO player, restructured an offense around an offensive line many were commenting was the second worst part of the team, and won three games....and even ALMOST.....lol..giving Bama a game for a half.
Not pumping anything. Just pointing out Stoops is beginning to do what many of us had expected year three.
The quarterback thing is not the coaches fault. Towels left with a big cheer from 95 per cent of the fan base, Phillips seldom hit the field and it was too late to target another three star quarterback in the midst of late transfers and getting another new offensive coordinator. Barker was knighted by all as the hero until it turned out the kid still had a lot of developing to do PLUS getting a back injury.
Johnson is doing all right all things considered, and the team seems to respond to him a whole lot better than the last two guys. Even if Barker were to return, I would expect the coaches to rotate these two out. Just brings a different energy to the team.
Not pumping anything. Just pointing out Stoops is beginning to do what many of us had expected year three.
The quarterback thing is not the coaches fault. Towels left with a big cheer from 95 per cent of the fan base, Phillips seldom hit the field and it was too late to target another three star quarterback in the midst of late transfers and getting another new offensive coordinator. Barker was knighted by all as the hero until it turned out the kid still had a lot of developing to do PLUS getting a back injury.
Johnson is doing all right all things considered, and the team seems to respond to him a whole lot better than the last two guys. Even if Barker were to return, I would expect the coaches to rotate these two out. Just brings a different energy to the team.
I'm glad Stoops said what he said. I'm glad Jordan Griffin's mother said what she said, and I'm glad Cobb said what he said.
A vast majority of UK Football fans feel that they're entitled to an absolutely amazing football team because of the many years of **** that UK Football has produced, but that same majority feels that they don't need to support the team until that team becomes amazing.
As a result? The fan base is so busy demeaning the players and staff and talking about how amazing they are for "supporting the team in spite of the poor product", while in all actuality, they just heckle the players, watch the games, and repeat.
We don't have a very supportive following, and all of these people calling the fans out on it should be a stark realization of that fact.
Instead of those so-called fans complaining about what Stoops said, or what Griffin's mother said, or what Cobb said, why not adjust themselves and actually support the team.
With two weeks to get ready for MS, I think we will see a different Johnson. He had a bad game against Vandy, as far as passing, but a good game with his legs. He didn't appear to be comfortable throwing against Vandy, but the coaches will work with him during this period. Every player has a bad day every now and then.
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Freddie Maggard @FredMaggard 4h4 hours ago
There it is; Mark Stoops says QB Stephen Johnson played through a wrist injury. Tough kid, refused to use as an excuse.
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I agree jump, if they let him throw quick short passes and screens, he won't have to think or telegraph his passes. Plus throwing to our backs and TEs should open up the down field throws.
Losing to conference USA and Sunbelt schools is also a recipe for negativity. The negativity ain't going away until we start winning.
There was no pick six in Vandy game I believe. Boom Williams fumbled and it was returned for TD.
No.......I was at the game, then celebrating the win afterwards. Didn't get on the board till the next day. I guess I missed the bashing of SJ from the trolls and armchair QB's.
It really doesn't matter that SJ is a backup, juco, playing in SEC for first time etc., etc....
It doesnt matter that we beat two SEC teams or some directional school.
What does matter is that we have a path to a bowl and he is our QB now.
If his passing performance does not improve from the last game then MSU and Missouri will be very difficult to win.
No one here is crucifying the kid, in fact many are idolizing him like we do coaches with sub .500 conference records.
He has shown some grit, made good decisions, won games due to his running and extending drives.
He must however be some sort of a passing threat moving forward. If not, even his running game will not be successful as opponents will stuff the box.
Freddie Maggard knows as well as anyone that a one dimensional offense is easier to defend.
SJ doesn't need to be Joe Montana but we must keep them honest.
If he had a slight injury then hopefully it's healed over the next week and he is back on target.
All we can do is root for the kid.
Excuses don't put points on the board or provide bowl invitations.
It's the SEC, so next man up.
It doesnt matter that we beat two SEC teams or some directional school.
What does matter is that we have a path to a bowl and he is our QB now.
If his passing performance does not improve from the last game then MSU and Missouri will be very difficult to win.
No one here is crucifying the kid, in fact many are idolizing him like we do coaches with sub .500 conference records.
He has shown some grit, made good decisions, won games due to his running and extending drives.
He must however be some sort of a passing threat moving forward. If not, even his running game will not be successful as opponents will stuff the box.
Freddie Maggard knows as well as anyone that a one dimensional offense is easier to defend.
SJ doesn't need to be Joe Montana but we must keep them honest.
If he had a slight injury then hopefully it's healed over the next week and he is back on target.
All we can do is root for the kid.
Excuses don't put points on the board or provide bowl invitations.
It's the SEC, so next man up.
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The hyperbole has gone off the charts.
Vast majority of U.K. fans believe they are entitled to an absolutely amazing football team?
What?
6-6 in year 4 is not amazing or some out of reach goal.
Demean and heckle players?
Again, what?
SJ's passing in the last game has been critiqued. I personally read ONE post that said he sucked and other posters chastised the OP.
Elam has taken many shots and even though his performances have not come close to the expected potential out of line posters have been called out.
What other players are being demeaned and heckled?
Stoops and the staff get what they get. Like CMS stated they are paid to do a job and open to criticism.
He hasn't been happy either.
Posts that attack players on a personal level instead of performance should be deleted and warned.
If fans cannot handle critiquing and criticizing of play on the field then perhaps they need to start their own message board with stricter rules.
It is easy to see that many of you have yet to visit a Bama, LSU, or Auburn message board.
In fact, when it comes to players there has been more positives in the last week than there has been since mud season last year.
Snell, JJ and Boom all commended.
Many posts regarding improved oline play.
Johnson's decision making, demeanor and ability to move the chains on read option.
The dline and linebacker improvements.
Lots of positives.
We have a small subset of fans that want to bash at the 1st negative.
We also have a small set that wants to be the voice of righteousness on any poster with an opinion that isn't 100% complimentary.
Both groups are pain to deal with.
I stated he looked like he was either injured or had developed some flaw in his throwing motion. Regardless of his passing problems in the past game he has run a good offense for UK and is winning. The goal of playing the game is winning and even though Vandy and South Carolina are bad football teams we beat them. Good job Steven. I think he gets better.
I've nearly gotten into several fights with fans absolutely dogging and demeaning our players. It's a entitlement mindset.
It won't change until we start winning 10 games a season. Many are openly rooting for Stoops to fail.
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