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L4Dawg

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I knew exactly what you meant. Muh NoT fAiR and if that didn't work, you'd have went the other way.

Every other state implements a multiplier. It's not difficult.
And the public schools in every other state hate it. You were wrong about why I said what I said, You know that and I know that. You were crystal clear about it. That's why you didn't reply till I spelled it out. :p :p :p :p :p :p
 

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When I was in Highschool, Prep, ACCS, Canton, Manhattan, McClure was the South AAA. JA did not even have a high school. MRA was AA. The North AAA was Washington, Lee, Pillow, Indianola and one more I can't remember. They should have just left MAIS Mississippi schools only.
Maybe Kirk Academy? Or maybe the old SBEC? Or maybe Heritage?
 

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They increased to 7A to keep the 5As and small 6As from getting hurt. The population was consolidating around a select few schools in a parabolic fashion.
I’ve heard that narrative. But it was ultimately about money. Just like doubling the playoffs from top 2 too 4. It’s pretty ridiculous to only have 12 schools in the north and south each. That sounds like some private school BS.
 
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I’ve heard that narrative. But it was ultimately about money. Just like doubling the playoffs from top 2 too 4. It’s pretty ridiculous to only have 12 schools in the north and south each. That sounds like some private school BS.
Makes sense in 7A. But in 6A and 5A, it's just a lot of unnecessary long road trips.
 
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No they didn’t. The enrollment differences in 6A & 5A are ridiculously small. I could easily see reducing 6A to 24 schools (which was probably needed for a long time). But should have just redistributed the other 5 classes to account for 8 more schools. They added 7A to created more playoff games & more money.
I’ve heard that narrative. But it was ultimately about money. Just like doubling the playoffs from top 2 too 4. It’s pretty ridiculous to only have 12 schools in the north and south each. That sounds like some private school BS.
I'm sure money played a factor, but fact of the matter is that there is a difference in enrollment of 593 spread out between 24 schools in 7A. 10 in 6A, 8 in 5A, 4 in 4A, 3 in 3A, so on. Like I said, parabolic. 7A had to separate because they were bigger than the rest. You could almost say 7A should be even smaller, you're starting to get the same consolidation you see in MAIS.

For reference, Georgia only has 6A. They didn't have the need to separate into another division.

I think bigger playoffs are more about money than the divisions. That's more about sheer safety and at least SOME level of peer competition.
 

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I'm sure money played a factor, but fact of the matter is that there is a difference in enrollment of 593 spread out between 24 schools in 7A. 10 in 6A, 8 in 5A, 4 in 4A, 3 in 3A, so on. Like I said, parabolic. 7A had to separate because they were bigger than the rest. You could almost say 7A should be even smaller, you're starting to get the same consolidation you see in MAIS.

For reference, Georgia only has 6A. They didn't have the need to separate into another division.

I think bigger playoffs are more about money than the divisions. That's more about sheer safety and at least SOME level of peer competition.
West Point says hello.
 

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Surely I’m not trying to discuss this with a bunch of folks with the intellect to try and judge a system based on the outliers? Come on hair, be reasonable. I expect it from L4 but not you.
He has a point.

The defending 2A champion Oilers lead MHSAA small schools (up to 4A) in scoring offense and played TSSAA D2 power McCallie close.
 

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Exception. Not the rule. You don’t make decisions based on that. Unless you’re a liberal I suppose.
There have been many examples throughout the years. That being said, what you base it on is keeping the classes big enough so you don’t have participation trophies. You let the results fall where they may. Schools whining about having to play bigger schools, and the organizations greed, are THE problem. In the MHSAA, which is what I know, 7 classes is ridiculous. We don’t have enough schools for that.
 

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Exception. Not the rule. You don’t make decisions based on that. Unless you’re a liberal I suppose.

LOL…

Of course decisions aren’t made from them… but they can be results after decisions that were made…

I’m phrasing it that way because it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s directly cause and effect… but there are enough occurrences that people can argue that they aren’t exceptions…

There have been many examples throughout the years. That being said, what you base it on is keeping the classes big enough so you don’t have participation trophies. You let the results fall where they may. Schools whining about having to play bigger schools, and the organizations greed, are THE problem. In the MHSAA, which is what I know, 7 classes is ridiculous. We don’t have enough schools for that.

Basically what L4 said here…
 

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He has a point.

The defending 2A champion Oilers lead MHSAA small schools (up to 4A) in scoring offense and played TSSAA D2 power McCallie close.
And they actually got hosed by the refs! Lost by 3. The whole game is on YouTube go watch for yourself. They were not going to let that little team from Mississippi leave with a win.
 
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bulldoghair

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Surely I’m not trying to discuss this with a bunch of folks with the intellect to try and judge a system based on the outliers? Come on hair, be reasonable. I expect it from L4 but not you.
Just a year and a half ago in 2023, I know Louisville and Columbia were the two best teams in the state and would have both beaten anyone else. Both are 4a.
One unfortunate thing all the extra classifications does is water down the competition for each and it prevents really good matchups from happening.
 

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That’s essentially what it is, except worse. One of them will slip into D2 and act like they’ve done something.

All options are terrible except the Big 4 playing public.
Why do you have a 3 inch boner about 4 private schools playing public schools?

I mean does it really affect you or Mississippi in general?
 

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LOL…

Of course decisions aren’t made from them… but they can be results after decisions that were made…

I’m phrasing it that way because it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s directly cause and effect… but there are enough occurrences that people can argue that they aren’t exceptions…



Basically what L4 said here…
Just a year and a half ago in 2023, I know Louisville and Columbia were the two best teams in the state and would have both beaten anyone else. Both are 4a.
One unfortunate thing all the extra classifications does is water down the competition for each and it prevents really good matchups from happening.
Just because Louisville and Columbia were the best teams in the state doesn't mean that 4A teams should be playing with 7A regularly.

I do agree that it's watered down but I don't see another option. I suppose they could play other states at the top levels, and that's been a solution I've thought about for the MAIS Big 4 as well. Maybe the top 12 go pair up with the top 12 or so from Alabama and play. Still 24 but less watered down.
 
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Just because Louisville and Columbia were the best teams in the state doesn't mean that 4A teams should be playing with 7A regularly.

I do agree that it's watered down but I don't see another option. I suppose they could play other states at the top levels, and that's been a solution I've thought about for the MAIS Big 4 as well. Maybe the top 12 go pair up with the top 12 or so from Alabama and play. Still 24 but less watered down.
I never suggested 4a teams should have to play 7a teams regularly. But that particular year since we’re talking about it, it would have been reasonable to see a playoff or state championship matchup with Louisville and West Point, or Columbia and West Point. Or even West Point and West Jones, or Winona and Louisville/ Columbia that year ect.
I think they should go back to 6a, and make that 6a the exclusively large schools and a smaller classification as you’re saying 7a should be smaller. But I’m saying go back to 6. Then make 1 through 5 much larger. Just because there’s a hand full of really large schools doesn’t mean you have to water down the entire state in each classification. 90% of the schools shouldn’t be affected that much just because of the 10% largest schools. Again, that sounds like some private school BS
 
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4 inch.

Because it will be best for everyone.
How will it be best for everyone? Thats an opinion.

And it literally doesn't cause anyone a problem.

It would be best for everyone for you to quit being an idiot, but no one is trying to force that on you. We want it, but it's a free country. You get to be an idiot all you want.
 

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How will it be best for everyone? Thats an opinion.

And it literally doesn't cause anyone a problem.

It would be best for everyone for you to quit being an idiot, but no one is trying to force that on you. We want it, but it's a free country. You get to be an idiot all you want.
If the Big 4 want to do a yearly travel ball tournament for their state championship, fine. But I will continue to laugh at that pathetic notion.

Everyone benefits from good competition. This is fact. It's not like JA or Prep students are co-mingling and sharing teachers with Lanier and Callaway. It's a sporting event. Big 4 get better, more consistent competition and a chance at a real state title, and the MHSAA side gets four more good teams (and more gate money). It's a win-win.

And before they freak out about it, why not do the math and see what division the Big 4 would ultimately be in? May not even be the JPS schools and honestly, those are the ONLY schools in the entire state where there should be a legitimate concern about safety. Let's say they are 5A District 2 and have to play at Lanier and Provine. Well so does Florence? Are they entitled to be less safe too?
 
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If the Big 4 want to do a yearly travel ball tournament for their state championship, fine. But I will continue to laugh at that pathetic notion.

Everyone benefits from good competition. This is fact. It's not like JA or Prep students are co-mingling and sharing teachers with Lanier and Callaway. It's a sporting event. Big 4 get better, more consistent competition and a chance at a real state title, and the MHSAA side gets four more good teams (and more gate money). It's a win-win.

And before they freak out about it, why not do the math and see what division the Big 4 would ultimately be in? May not even be the JPS schools and honestly, those are the ONLY schools in the entire state where there should be a legitimate concern about safety. Let's say they are 5A District 2 and have to play at Lanier and Provine. Well so does Florence? Are they entitled to be less safe too?
West jones didn’t like it when Jackson Prep used the opportunity to openly try to recruit some of their players on the field after their ballgame. Heard it said they would never play them again. Public/private match ups are fine but when the bigger privates pull arrogant shenanigans like that, it burns bridges that were already shaky for scheduling them in the first place. And word gets around and is passed on to other public coaches ect.
 

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4 inch.

Because it will be best for everyone.
No it won't. It would suck for all the MHSAA schools in the region. It would suck for all the MHSAA schools in whatever class they fall into. Ask folks in the Tupelo area how they feel about private schools in the MHSAA.
 

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If the Big 4 want to do a yearly travel ball tournament for their state championship, fine. But I will continue to laugh at that pathetic notion.

Everyone benefits from good competition. This is fact. It's not like JA or Prep students are co-mingling and sharing teachers with Lanier and Callaway. It's a sporting event. Big 4 get better, more consistent competition and a chance at a real state title, and the MHSAA side gets four more good teams (and more gate money). It's a win-win.

And before they freak out about it, why not do the math and see what division the Big 4 would ultimately be in? May not even be the JPS schools and honestly, those are the ONLY schools in the entire state where there should be a legitimate concern about safety. Let's say they are 5A District 2 and have to play at Lanier and Provine. Well so does Florence? Are they entitled to be less safe too?
Again you listed a bunch of stuff that has zero effect on you or really anyone else outside of JA, Prep, MRA, etc. So why is your penis so flacid about it? Like of all the things you could worry about in a day this is one of them?

And i really don't think those 4 schools are worried about comingling with anyone other than probably would rather not go anywhere crime/theft/vandalism is a potential problem. SHOCKER!!! Thats like 95% of the population if given a choice.
 

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West jones didn’t like it when Jackson Prep used the opportunity to openly try to recruit some of their players on the field after their ballgame. Heard it said they would never play them again. Public/private match ups are fine but when the bigger privates pull arrogant shenanigans like that, it burns bridges that were already shaky for scheduling them in the first place. And word gets around and is passed on to other public coaches ect.

EXACTLY
 
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Then think about what happens when you have to play them every year. Or think about what happens if there is one in your area that is in public ball, but isn't in your class. They come after your players all the time.....and there is nothing much you can do about it.
 

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West jones didn’t like it when Jackson Prep used the opportunity to openly try to recruit some of their players on the field after their ballgame. Heard it said they would never play them again. Public/private match ups are fine but when the bigger privates pull arrogant shenanigans like that, it burns bridges that were already shaky for scheduling them in the first place. And word gets around and is passed on to other public coaches ect.
Man ya'll really hate the free market when it comes to sports.