Major conference 8-win teams

[QuaoarsKing]

Here are all of the major teams with 8 wins and who they beat. I've highlighted notable wins in green. I'm defining notable wins as ranked in the top 20 of the BCS standings, since top 20 is the made-up standard that this forum has assigned to Mullen.

Arizona - Toledo, Oklahoma State, South Carolina State, Washington, USC, Colorado, Utah, Nevada. 0 notable wins.


Arizona State - Northern Arizona, Illinois, Utah, California, Colorado, Washington State, Arizona, Navy. 0 notable wins.

Baylor - SMU, Sam Houston State, Louisiana-Monroe, Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State. 1 notable win, but also lost to Iowa State

BYU - Washington State, Weber State, Hawaii, Utah State, Georgia Tech, Idaho, New Mexico State, San Diego State. 0 notable wins.

Michigan - Air Force, UMass, Purdue, Illinois, Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern, Iowa. 1 notable win and 0 bad losses.

Mississippi State- Jackson State, Auburn, Troy, South Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee, Middle Tennessee, Arkansas. 0 notable wins.

North Carolina - Elon, East Carolina, Idaho, Virginia Tech, Miami FL, NC State, Virginia, Maryland. 0 notable wins, and also lost to Duke and Wake Forest.

Oklahoma State - Savannah State, Louisiana-Lafayette, Kansas, Iowa State, TCU, West Virginia, Texas Tech, Purdue. 0 notable wins.

Penn State - Navy, Temple, Illinois, Northwestern, Iowa, Purdue, Indiana, Wisconsin. 1 notable win, but lost to Ohio and Virginia.

Syracuse - Stony Brook, Pittsburgh, Connecticut, South Florida, Louisville, Missouri, Temple, West Virginia. 0 notable wins; also lost to Minnesota and USC.

Texas Tech - Northwestern State, Texas State, New Mexico, Iowa State, West Virginia, TCU, Kansas, Minnesota. 0 notable wins.

Wisconsin - Northern Iowa, Utah State, UTEP, Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota, Indiana, Nebraska (the second attempt). 1 notable win, but lost to Michigan State.


Conclusions: Mississippi State is one of 12 major teams to finish with 8 wins. Of those, 8 of them, including MSU, and the other 4 had only 1. Three of those four had at least one bad loss to go along with their single good win.

Everyone is so eager to demean our season as meaningless, but this is how a typical 8-4 season is. Either you don't really beat anyone, or you do, but you also lose to someone bad. That's just how modern college football scheduling works.

 

[Coach34]

you've been posting really well lately- by all means keep it up

 

[AFDawg]

Nicely done.

 

[Dawg1976]

Did they all finish 1-5 for the last 6 games?

 

[SwingAway]

Arizona- 4
Arizona State-2
Baylor- 5 and beat the #1 team
BYU- 2
Michigan- 4
UNC- 3
OSU- 6
Penn State- 4
Syracuse- 3
Texas Tech- 4
Wisconsin- 3

Mississippi State- ZERO!!!!

These numbers? Wins over Bowl Teams.

Nice try.

 

[CadaverDawg]

Here are all of the major teams with 8 wins and who they beat. I've highlighted notable wins in green. I'm defining notable wins as ranked in the top 20 of the BCS standings, since top 20 is the made-up standard that this forum has assigned to Mullen.

Arizona - Toledo, Oklahoma State, South Carolina State, Washington, USC, Colorado, Utah, Nevada. 0 notable wins.


Arizona State - Northern Arizona, Illinois, Utah, California, Colorado, Washington State, Arizona, Navy. 0 notable wins.

Baylor - SMU, Sam Houston State, Louisiana-Monroe, Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State. 1 notable win, but also lost to Iowa State

BYU - Washington State, Weber State, Hawaii, Utah State, Georgia Tech, Idaho, New Mexico State, San Diego State. 0 notable wins.

Michigan - Air Force, UMass, Purdue, Illinois, Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern, Iowa. 1 notable win and 0 bad losses.

Mississippi State- Jackson State, Auburn, Troy, South Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee, Middle Tennessee, Arkansas. 0 notable wins.

North Carolina - Elon, East Carolina, Idaho, Virginia Tech, Miami FL, NC State, Virginia, Maryland. 0 notable wins, and also lost to Duke and Wake Forest.

Oklahoma State - Savannah State, Louisiana-Lafayette, Kansas, Iowa State, TCU, West Virginia, Texas Tech, Purdue. 0 notable wins.

Penn State - Navy, Temple, Illinois, Northwestern, Iowa, Purdue, Indiana, Wisconsin. 1 notable win, but lost to Ohio and Virginia.

Syracuse - Stony Brook, Pittsburgh, Connecticut, South Florida, Louisville, Missouri, Temple, West Virginia. 0 notable wins; also lost to Minnesota and USC.

Texas Tech - Northwestern State, Texas State, New Mexico, Iowa State, West Virginia, TCU, Kansas, Minnesota. 0 notable wins.

Wisconsin - Northern Iowa, Utah State, UTEP, Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota, Indiana, Nebraska (the second attempt). 1 notable win, but lost to Michigan State.


Conclusions: Mississippi State is one of 12 major teams to finish with 8 wins. Of those, 8 of them, including MSU, and the other 4 had only 1. Three of those four had at least one bad loss to go along with their single good win.

Everyone is so eager to demean our season as meaningless, but this is how a typical 8-4 season is. Either you don't really beat anyone, or you do, but you also lose to someone bad. That's just how modern college football scheduling works.

But most of those teams beat a bowl team or two. And I'd like to see if their losses were total *** kickings like ours were.

Everyone is quick to say that our schedule sucked, but we can't help that Auburn, Ark, and Tennessee sucked ***. Everyone is pimping Ole Miss on this board, but their wins were all terrible too. In fact, their best win by far was against US. But you have to look at improvement and how you played tough teams, and we did neither of those well. If we had played Bama, LSU, and A&M within 14-17 points, and even lost to OM by a FG or TD, this board would be singing a different tune. It's the fact that we seem to be trending down while our rival is trending up that seems to have everybody in an uproar. I think too many worry about what OM is doing, but I definitely understand and agree with the concern regarding us trending down. We lost 5 of 6 and they have been ugly losses. I think the schedule gets blown out of proportion, but the way we've played this year against decent to good teams, is horrible.

 

[DAWG61]

Of those 12 teams how many wins do they have vs the top 20 in the last 4 years combined? That's the problem. Not one season of no wins. Has any major conference team ever gone to 3 straight bowl games and have no top 20 wins before MSU? Doubt it.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Off the top of my head, Kentucky 08-10. Assuming you mean top 20 at the end of the season, not the less accurate at-the-time rankings. Actually, I doubt it's really that rare, since a lot of mediocre teams go bowling.

 

[DAWG61]

Didn't Kentucky get a couple of upsets over Florida and USCe? Power 6 conferences it has to be rare.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

That's not a very good standard. Yes, it's factually correct, but the 70 teams in bowls are not the 70 best teams.

Middle Tennessee went 8-4 but didn't get a bowl. They earned one. But if they'd gotten one, you'd still be bitching.
Tennessee didn't get a bowl because they lost a 4 OT game to Missouri. But if they'd won that game, you'd still be bitching.
Troy didn't get a bowl because they went 5-7. But if they'd beaten one more Sun Belt team and gotten one, you'd still be bitching.
If all three of those things had happened, all completely beyond our control and having no bearing on how good of teams our opponents were, you'd still be bitching.

If you want to expand your list to the actual top 70 rather than a list of 70 great, good, and mediocre teams who got bowls, fine, but I'm confident Arkansas, Tennessee, and probably MTSU belong in the top 70. But top 20 is the standard this board wants, so let's apply it equally.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Kentucky beat national champion LSU in 2007, although they ended up 7-5 that year.
Kentucky hasn't beaten Florida since 1986.
The only time Kentucky has beaten South Carolina this decade is 2010, in which SC finished #22.

 

[FirstPoetsThenSunDoggy]

You can look at it a bunch of different ways, but it ain't pretty in any of them.

 

[Bm4c]

I just want beat someone to it...

ole miss didn't have any notable wins this year either!!

 

[SwingAway]

I just want beat someone to it...

ole miss didn't have any notable wins this year either!!

HD6 do work

 

[Coach34]

You can look at it a bunch of different ways, but it ain't pretty in any of them.

I'm 40+ yrs old now...In my time as a State fan, I have seen us play in 3 NYD bowl games- 2 of them in the last 3 seasons.

We won 8 games in 1981- quick, without looking- how many ranked teams did we beat that season?
We won 8 in 1994 also- dont look- how many ranked teams that season?
In a few years, nobody will remember who we beat this season either- just that we went to a NYD bowl

Football is not like basketball- SOS doesn't matter. What matters is that we are going to bowl games- 3 in a row for only the 2nd time in my life.
We had a very good recruiting class last season
We currently have another good recruiting class
Our program is on the most solid footing its been on in my lifetime- which means most of your lifetimes as well.
Nobody is happy about how we finished the season, nobody. But 8 wins is a good season at Miss State. Too many of you are losing sight of that

 

[SwingAway]

I'm 40+ yrs old now...In my time as a State fan, I have seen us play in 3 NYD bowl games- 2 of them in the last 3 seasons.

We won 8 games in 1981- quick, without looking- how many ranked teams did we beat that season?
We won 8 in 1994 also- dont look- how many ranked teams that season?
In a few years, nobody will remember who we beat this season either- just that we went to a NYD bowl

Football is not like basketball- SOS doesn't matter. What matters is that we are going to bowl games- 3 in a row for only the 2nd time in my life.
We had a very good recruiting class last season
We currently have another good recruiting class
Our program is on the most solid footing its been on in my lifetime- which means most of your lifetimes as well.
Nobody is happy about how we finished the season, nobody. But 8 wins is a good season at Miss State. Too many of you are losing sight of that

8 wins sure we'll take it but dont tell me to be optimistic. 8 wins while competing with those above us, looking to take the next step would have been AWESOME this year.

8 wins over the handicapped while getting embarressed, quitting multiple times, having asinine game management by the HC, no clue what to do on offense or defense, giving up more yards on D than earning on O, not stopping any spread, 3 down linemen, NO HOPE going into a tough season next year expecting 5-7!

There are different 8 win seasons my friend and while we will gladly take 8 and a Gator Bowl, we can all see that the king has no clothes. Major changes needed or we are going to look foolish next year while our rival takes back over. Our young "talent" better wake the 17 up.

 

[Coach34]

There are different 8 win seasons my friend and while we will gladly take 8 and a Gator Bowl, we can all see that the king has no clothes. Major changes needed or we are going to look foolish next year while our rival takes back over. Our young "talent" better wake the 17 up.

As I said, nobody is happy with the last 1/3 of the season.

Do I want to see some offensive changes? Damn right I do. But with our entire OL and RB's returning, a 4-star juco WR being added, some quality redshirts, and some time to tweak the offense to help Russell- I think Mullen and company will make those changes.

Do I want an improved defense? Damn right I do. We had lots of youth on the DL that got experience this year- plus we add redshirts. We only lose 1 LB out of our top 6- plus add the Brown twins. The Secondary is a concern, but we have guys that got some experience this year. They wont be green Freshmen like Banks and Broomfield were in 2009. There is something to work with there.

Looks like some coaching changes coming- so I think Mullen will make the needed changes. As I said in the earlier post- our program is on the most solid footing it's been in my lifetime.

 

[MaronMatters]

Damn these games that "we are supposed to win" or "we should've won". Just one time....just one damn time...I'd like for a Dan Mullen team to take a LEGIT opponent, and, AT THE VERY LEAST, take them into overtime and win. Just ONE damn win over a team the talking heads seem to be somewhat impressed with. Just ONE damn win over a team that we have "no chance in hell" of beating. Friggin' Croom even pulled a few of those out of his ***. A bona-fide upset with the ability to take that momentum to the "next level" to some extent....but we might as well just piss in the wind.

 

[skb124]

The thing is, we have played great against teams like that. Against LSU in 09, that's not on Dan. That's on execution. In 2010 against Auburn, that's not on Dan that Leon Berry dropped the pass. We played Auburn closer than anyone that year other than Oregon in the NC. Last year we played LSU and Bama closer than anyone else in the nation other than each other.

This year turned out to be frustrating. We did very poorly against Bama, A&M, and Ole Miss. Bama is the best team in the nation, A&M is the hottest team in the nation with the Heisman winner, and there was no excuse for the Ole Miss game. But Ole Miss playing at home after losing 3 in a row to us was always going to be tough. We played LSU very tough. Game was much closer than the score. And today Tyler Russell had the worst game of his career easily.

All in all I am pleased with 8 wins. Going in to next year I am not optimistic but I'm not pessimistic either. I'm going in open minded and I hope we compete.

 

[FISHDAWG]

like @ Florida ??? or against UGA in 2010 ??

 

[121Josey]

Do you watch football? You are not calling these victories notable: Oklahoma State, USC, Texas Tech, Georgia Tech, Troy, Minnesota, Virginia Tech, Miami, Louisville, and West Viriginia? There's others I would call on the borderline with that. This is just terrible.

Maybe next time you should try 7 win team and see who has more than one quality victory.**

 

[Coach34]

Do you watch football? You are not calling these victories notable: Oklahoma State, USC, Texas Tech, Georgia Tech, Troy, Minnesota, Virginia Tech, Miami, Louisville, and West Viriginia? There's others I would call on the borderline with that. This is just terrible.

Maybe next time you should try 7 win team and see who has more than one quality victory.**

It's funny you should post that- because wins like that dont seem to count for Mullen. People act like winning at Florida for the 1st time since the 1960's or beating Georgia for the 1st time since the 1970's were not good wins for the program

 

[fishwater99]

Mullens is 0-15 vs Top 20 Teams.........


Let that sink in.......

 

[operch]

It's funny you should post that- because wins like that dont seem to count for Mullen. People act like winning at Florida for the 1st time since the 1960's or beating Georgia for the 1st time since the 1970's were not good wins for the program

I agree 3 4 and ten years down the road someone will just be looking at our schedule and say, Man, they beat Arky and Tenn that year. In time you win against names and not teams.

 

[DancingRabbit]

And he's never beat anyone in the SECW except Ole Miss

Oh wait, that was last year.