Krazy you keep stating as fact the bullet was planted, how do you know this? Or do you just think it was.
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Krazy you keep stating as fact the bullet was planted, how do you know this? Or do you just think it was.
That's not what I said Vandalay. I didn't say they drove her anywhere, I said they put her in the back of the Rav 4. I also didn't pick and choose what I believed from Brendan.
So they raped her in the trailer, killed her in the garage, stored her in the car and then burned her behind the trailer?
I stated earlier in the thread and again yesterday that I thought Avery killed her. I also thought that with what we saw, but understand we didn't see or even hear explanations for what we saw that there was reasonable doubt.
Krazy, i believe Dasseys confession a lot more than I do the angle the show provided. We know for a fact they purposely lied or didn't tell the whole truth about Avery.
For those who think she was killed in the garage. Did you see all the JUNK in the pictures of the garage. So explain to me how you can keep from getting blood on some of the junk if you shot her there. No blood was ever found in the garage. Also explain why the bullet wasn't found on the first search? Like the keys the evidence was found by the same deputy that had the most to lose in the Steven Avery 36 million dollar law suit. I guess that was just coincidence.
Vandaly nailed it. Bill has been taking bits and pieces to make up his own story. If you believe Brendan's story about shooting her in the head, then you HAVE to believe his part about raping/slitting her throat in the bedroom.
Another note I don't think has been mentioned. While this crime was apparently being committed, Avery has a taped 20 minute conversation with his girlfriend (who's in jail). Yet, he's calm and there's no one screaming in the background.
Not just that conversation one at 8:58pm too. Obviously that one isn't as alarming because of the time my but it too lasted about 20 or so minutes with no signs of anything distracting Avery.
I mention it because how in the world could this much drama happen in the 4-5 hour window and you be able to have 2 perfectly calm in tune conversations.
I mention it because how in the world could this much drama happen in the 4-5 hour window and you be able to have 2 perfectly calm in tune conversations.
No I'm not taking bits and pieces of anything, it's what logically makes sense. I do believe his story about raping her and cutting her throat.
I just watched 2 hours of Brendan's confession, I'll post the link so you guys can as well. If you think that kid didn't take part of it after watching that then it's because you don't want too.
He says they shot her 10 times, he says the key is in Averys room, he says there were only drops of blood in the garage. He also says the only blood on Avery was from the cut on his hand.
The bed sheets were removed from
Averys bed, that wasn't described in the documentary.
Watch the link of his confession, it's rather long.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...of-confession-by-brendan-dassey-a6802521.html
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There were two calls Bill.
I've seen the confession, and there is more to it than they show but everything meaningful Brendan was led into. I get it that you give more credit to it than almost everyone else that is alive, but it is suspect at best.
Which is the only thing that makes anything questionable, so much is suspect. Like I've said 1 or 2 things I could look past but this whole investigation and prosecution and the jurors that should never be jurors on this case........its just too much to think any conclusion rendered is fair.
I've seen the confession, and there is more to it than they show but everything meaningful Brendan was led into. I get it that you give more credit to it than almost everyone else that is alive, but it is suspect at best.
Which is the only thing that makes anything questionable, so much is suspect. Like I've said 1 or 2 things I could look past but this whole investigation and prosecution and the jurors that should never be jurors on this case........its just too much to think any conclusion rendered is fair.
It was from 5:30-5:45. The last activity from her phone was at 4:21. So, in that 69 minutes, she finished her work, completed a bill of sale which Avery took back to his office, then tied her up, raped her, called her phone (for some reason), called his nephew to help, then took her to the garage killed her, then put her back into her truck, moved the truck, came back to the trailer and had a casual conversation with his girlfriend?
You think you can violently rape someone, cut their throat, strangle them after the throat cutting, and then drag/carry the body out of the house and taking the sheets off the bed will take care of the DNA?
Seriously? All killers really need to take this step next time. Just put a 50 thread count sheet down anywhere near their murder, burn it afterwards, and you're good to go. No DNA left after that masterful cleanup job!
Seriously? All killers really need to take this step next time. Just put a 50 thread count sheet down anywhere near their murder, burn it afterwards, and you're good to go. No DNA left after that masterful cleanup job!
What exactly are you guys doing? None of us were on the jury. We saw a 10 part documentary and formed an opinion. You took everything the producers wanted to show as the gospel apparently without taking into account context or explanation. I chose to look at what we saw and explain plausible reasons.
What's the likelihood someone killed her after she left Averys but before she made or answered a phone call, slim. So an already slim chance gets damn near impossible when they also have to sneak her bones and vehicle into the property.
Now you take Avery who by his past actions had creeped her out, that's not assumptions it's factual. As I mentioned earlier the phone activity stopped when she arrived there. Watch the full confession from Brendan, not what was on the show, but how in detail he went.
The last activity from her phone was not at 4:21, it was 2:45. Krazy and I just discussed this and I corrected him on it.
It's absolutely not factual that Avery creeped her out. She wasn't sure who the person was that answered the door wearing the towel. Could have been any one of those hillbilly Averys.
Ok, Why would Brendan say the sheet was burned and lo and behold it wasn't on the bed, he just get lucky on that as well?
Ok, she didn't know who the person was that answered the door in a towel, this is ridiculous.
How does someone get their throat slit and strangled on the bed and not leave a single trace of DNA. Look, maybe Avery killed her, I don't know.
I do know the possibility of cutting someone's throat on a bed and leaving no DNA doesn't even make the tiniest bit of sense. I'm not taking what the film makers said as gospel, I'm thinking about the fact that being raped and slaughtered like a cow on a bed would leave DNA evidence that burning a sheet wouldn't take care of. Period.
I do know the possibility of cutting someone's throat on a bed and leaving no DNA doesn't even make the tiniest bit of sense. I'm not taking what the film makers said as gospel, I'm thinking about the fact that being raped and slaughtered like a cow on a bed would leave DNA evidence that burning a sheet wouldn't take care of. Period.
Dude if you think that he was led into that confession I don't know what to say.
Do you think people just walk in and say yep it was me?
Most people haven't seen the confession, and I suspect you haven't either.
Ive heard the suspect juror BS, his lawyers could've dismissed suspect jurors.
If you're going to dismiss or think every piece of evidence is suspect then this is pointless.
Yes, it happens all the time that there are false confessions. Very common actually. Read up on it.
No, it's Not vandalay. You're telling me that she didn't know that it was Steven Avery that came to the door in a towel. Or that it was Steven Avery that always asked specifically for her, for gods sake he blocked his number twice THAT day when he called her.
Why would anyone take anything Brendan said serious? He originally when question www nothing and knew nothing. Why not accept that as truth?
I guess because all of a sudden suspect evidence is now tied together.
Wonder what happens if no Manitowac County Sherriffs ever touch the crime scene. Seriously that alone would at least give credit to certain things.
I guess because all of a sudden suspect evidence is now tied together.
Wonder what happens if no Manitowac County Sherriffs ever touch the crime scene. Seriously that alone would at least give credit to certain things.
Because he didn't say he knew nothing, apparently you haven't watched the entire confession.
One of the first things the police say to him is that they wanted to talk to him, because 2 days before the interview we all saw, they had questioned him. In that interview he said he had helped Avery clean something off the garage floor that could've been blood, it was red.
I bring up the bedroom for two reasons:
1) It's instant reasonable doubt. Period. No DNA flat out means what was described by Brendan did not happen there
2) If you believe taking the sheet off would have cleared the evidence and still supports Dassey's confession, you are clearly not willing to accept reality
No DNA in the bedroom does not make Avery innocent. It does make him legally not guilty and throws the rest of Dassey's confession into question (at the very least)
1) It's instant reasonable doubt. Period. No DNA flat out means what was described by Brendan did not happen there
2) If you believe taking the sheet off would have cleared the evidence and still supports Dassey's confession, you are clearly not willing to accept reality
No DNA in the bedroom does not make Avery innocent. It does make him legally not guilty and throws the rest of Dassey's confession into question (at the very least)
I agree with you on Manitowoc sheriff dept being involved. Should've been sent to a state agency instead of the neighboring county as they weren't big enough to handle it alone.
i just don't think it's the bloodbath some of you think it would be. I've actually slit a large animals neck, it's not like a Quentin Tarantino movie where blood flies everywhere.
Not only that but I don't believe it was as horrific a cut as you're making it out to be. Avery strangled her after this as well. Then shot her in the garage.
I think he killed her, you think he didn't.
I didn't sign a petition. Of course, just another thing you think you know you don't. You have 13 of the 18 posts on this page. Let that sink in.
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I don't think that at all. I've said exactly the opposite multiple times. Learn reading
If you think slitting someone's throat and strangling them while their blood is flowing on a mattress won't leave DNA on anything but the sheet, you are an idiot. There is no other way to say that. Of course you don't instantly lose a gallon of blood, but a really bad cut to your finger would leave enough blood to stain the mattress. Christ, this isn't even debatable
If you think slitting someone's throat and strangling them while their blood is flowing on a mattress won't leave DNA on anything but the sheet, you are an idiot. There is no other way to say that. Of course you don't instantly lose a gallon of blood, but a really bad cut to your finger would leave enough blood to stain the mattress. Christ, this isn't even debatable
Bill by original I mean when he was asked within 2-3 days of their investigation.
After everything I've linked and clearly I've done my research. You can think I didn't obsess on everything to do with this case, but sadly I did. I hate authority, but when researching I knew I wouldn't find a thing because 1- there was never for a second another suspect, 2- the investigation was spread headed to the point certain specialists were in fact told to tie things in such a manor Avery would be guilty. So Indid everything I could to convict myself he is 100% guilty and I just can't. I think he did it but nothing convinces me.
I will say again, I think the whole family had a hand in cleaning the scene. Just like the police had motive to frame Avery that family had motive help him in hopes to get paid and blackmail him.
After everything I've linked and clearly I've done my research. You can think I didn't obsess on everything to do with this case, but sadly I did. I hate authority, but when researching I knew I wouldn't find a thing because 1- there was never for a second another suspect, 2- the investigation was spread headed to the point certain specialists were in fact told to tie things in such a manor Avery would be guilty. So Indid everything I could to convict myself he is 100% guilty and I just can't. I think he did it but nothing convinces me.
I will say again, I think the whole family had a hand in cleaning the scene. Just like the police had motive to frame Avery that family had motive help him in hopes to get paid and blackmail him.