Would have loved for the Sheriff to be held accountable in some way. He refused to believe Steven wasn't guilty of rape even the DNA proved different.
Making a Murderer
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This is what I do for a living. It's absolutely not standard procedure. In fact, it seems like a clear violation of Avery's Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights.
Even without knowing more about the trial, that particular ruling simply cannot be correct. It undermines the entire purpose of conducting a trial.
The moment seemed too big for all involved other than Avery's lawyers. I don't understand why the state wasn't asked to take over the investigation. I know they asked Calumet Co but a case of this magnitude needed less bias and more experience in my mind.
How TF do you interrogate a 16 yr old without an adult or an attorney present 3 times? How TF does his attorney allow a special investigator to interrogate him again as a means to turn him against Avery?
Was it really that important to get Avery after he clearly was innocent of rape?
This reads of one of the most injust cases I've ever seen. I'm nnocent or guilty isn't even the freaking issue,sadly. It's about the corruption to make sure guilt is pinned on Avery.
How could anyone in the federal govt see any of this and not super see this whole mess!!!
Was it really that important to get Avery after he clearly was innocent of rape?
This reads of one of the most injust cases I've ever seen. I'm nnocent or guilty isn't even the freaking issue,sadly. It's about the corruption to make sure guilt is pinned on Avery.
How could anyone in the federal govt see any of this and not super see this whole mess!!!
Also, I'll blame that **** hole state and Bo Ryan if I f*cking want to.
This...
Bunch a cheese curd-eating muthf*ckers, with terrible fashion sense. Much like Hoosiers with terrible accents.
Odd that the only likeable characters are the defense attorneys. Everyone else should've jumped in the fire pit.
Not a single matching finger print in / on the RAV? If he's bleeding from hand, then no gloves. Thus.. Prints?
I don't think so... although it's certainly possible which was the purpose of how it was presented. He was there, knows the land, obviously didn't like Avery, no real alibi. There are at least 4 people that should have been vetted.
Teresa's brother, maybe. I was seriously thinking bobby dassey and the Scott Tydhal(?) did it honestly. I truly believe that Avery's family wanted him put away because of the negative pub he brought to them. Brother's and Sister's never feel the same love as a parent and they had that certain ignorance level that would easily turn on a family member.
The sister turned on Steven twice, and I honestly think had her son not been involved that she would have been happy with Steven rotting in jail. Once her son became a target though she clearly coerced him as bad as the investigators.
I do think Lenk and Colburn helped convict the guy by planting certain evidence as well.
I guess I understand looking at a certain person but I'd also have had to be looking at other people too! Too many people seem like viable suspects here.
And how TF do you convict brendan of the mutilation charge when you couldn't convict Steven? That prosecutor, as unstable as the avery's are, shouldn't feel too damn safe IMHO.
The sister turned on Steven twice, and I honestly think had her son not been involved that she would have been happy with Steven rotting in jail. Once her son became a target though she clearly coerced him as bad as the investigators.
I do think Lenk and Colburn helped convict the guy by planting certain evidence as well.
I guess I understand looking at a certain person but I'd also have had to be looking at other people too! Too many people seem like viable suspects here.
And how TF do you convict brendan of the mutilation charge when you couldn't convict Steven? That prosecutor, as unstable as the avery's are, shouldn't feel too damn safe IMHO.
Teresa's boyfriend & Teresa's brother erased her text messages, as they 'guessed' her password.
Teresa's brother was a creepy kid with no girlfriend.
The search team, headed by boyfriend/brother gave maps to Avery boneyard. Told witch where to find RAV in 10 minutes on a 40-acre tract.
Teresa was a creep herself with her, "I love everyone video". Laura Palmer-ish.
It was the brother. Dude was doing his sister and she wanted out of the relationship or she'd start yapping.
Teresa's brother was a creepy kid with no girlfriend.
The search team, headed by boyfriend/brother gave maps to Avery boneyard. Told witch where to find RAV in 10 minutes on a 40-acre tract.
Teresa was a creep herself with her, "I love everyone video". Laura Palmer-ish.
It was the brother. Dude was doing his sister and she wanted out of the relationship or she'd start yapping.
This is a huge display of people taking advantage of the dumb. His mother isn't very smart either. I would figure she has lawsuit options for taking advantage of someone who's clearly mentally disabled. I wonder if the court ever considered bringing in special ed teachers to explain his competence.
There's a wisconsin man's facebook page from that town going around. Apparently he was on the jury...he claims one jury member was the father of a officer on the county dept and the husband of a woman who worked in the clerks office. Also said they were never presented with finger prints on any weapon.
Points that stick in my craw- where was the blood in Stevens trailer or garage? Magically a key shows up on the 4th inspection by Lenk and Colburn. And a slug with victims dna under an air compressor???but no other blood?
Contaminated blood vial in evidence-screams cop involvement-most likely lenk or Colburn.
Brendan should have had a shrink declare he was unfit to stand trial. His attorney Len and investigator O'malley totally screwed him and we're playing for the prosecution...
But who killed Theresa???
Contaminated blood vial in evidence-screams cop involvement-most likely lenk or Colburn.
Brendan should have had a shrink declare he was unfit to stand trial. His attorney Len and investigator O'malley totally screwed him and we're playing for the prosecution...
But who killed Theresa???
I wouldn't argue at all with any of that. I'd guess the only way to set free an innocent man at that point is to convict or prove the guilt of another.
Not sure how you do that.
There was so much wrong with the case period. Can't even point motive toward another person? I'm no lawyer but for Christ sake of it means finding the right criminal who cares?
The Avery's had to have a bad overall name there!
This show makes me GLAD the Packers got their doors blown off yesterday.
Eff those stupid nabobs. I've never seen a more incompetent bunch of morons in my entire life.
Eff those stupid nabobs. I've never seen a more incompetent bunch of morons in my entire life.
Anybody else notice that the whole thing looked like it took place between 1985-95. I mean, I know the murder and trial were over 10 years ago, but damn the fashion and fixtures were dated. I was glad to see Eky isn't the only place where trends and norms lag behind by about a decade. Wisconsin, lol.
Agreed. All of the prosecutors and judges had college degrees. How'd that work out?
Someone put her body in the back of the RAV4, WHY?
If she was stabbed in the stomach and her throat slit while tied to the bed, where's the blood? There would be blood everywhere but they found none. None of her dna in the bedroom either.
Now if they'd said he killed her somewhere else, put her body in the car and brought her to the burn pit, you might have a case. But that's not the theory.
I don't see how anyone can say definitively, one way or the other.
Exactly! That prosecutor did a horrible job of actually pleading a case against Avery and also Dassey. But what he did so well was play on the knowledge of the town convicting him before the case started.
They used Dassey for a public forum to "report" a guilt ridden story and that town took it hook line and sinker before anyone could dispute it.
What's obvious is nothing was found for days, until whoever did it knew Avery was toast and planted evidence. Clearly just about anyone could have gotten on that property.
They used Dassey for a public forum to "report" a guilt ridden story and that town took it hook line and sinker before anyone could dispute it.
What's obvious is nothing was found for days, until whoever did it knew Avery was toast and planted evidence. Clearly just about anyone could have gotten on that property.
The jurors and the trial should have been picked from a location far away from that town not just one or two counties over.
The jury for the kid was from another town. Not sure how far away they came though.
My favorite part was how the county held the crime scene hostage for 8 days, and then months? later came back and found crucial evidence. Then that news conference where they told the town exactly what happened before they knew what happened.
Will there be another season? Because everything I see says "season 1" and there's a **** ton of stuff they touched on but didn't follow up. I mainly want to see them cover the corruption all the way to the top. It's clear all the agencies /important folks were in on this.
Will there be another season? Because everything I see says "season 1" and there's a **** ton of stuff they touched on but didn't follow up. I mainly want to see them cover the corruption all the way to the top. It's clear all the agencies /important folks were in on this.
Wikipedia doesn't show anything happening. Still don't understand how every appeal from both has been turned down.
I finished the series last Wednesday. I am still irate that Brendan is in prison. I hope those jurors can't sleep at night.
So much incompetence and corruption that I would not be shocked if the Feds are not on this soon because of the public interest because of the documentary.
The Avery family is a horrible indictment on the education system in the US. That said, anyone with half a brain could tell you none of them had the mental capacity to pull off a crime of this level. How anyone could believe Brendan's twisted story when there were no signs of blood, DNA, etc in that bedroom is far beyond comprehension. That would have quickly taken Brendan out of the equation for me. Then I look at Steven and unless he is some wicked smart mastermind criminal, there is no way he could have pulled this off with no traces of blood, etc at his residence. If he did it, there is no way it happened the way Brendan said it did.
Steven may have done it, but there are so many holes in this case that there is no way he should be in prison right now. How the authorities handled the investigation should get most of them fired and never allowed to practice/enforce law ever again.
The Avery family is a horrible indictment on the education system in the US. That said, anyone with half a brain could tell you none of them had the mental capacity to pull off a crime of this level. How anyone could believe Brendan's twisted story when there were no signs of blood, DNA, etc in that bedroom is far beyond comprehension. That would have quickly taken Brendan out of the equation for me. Then I look at Steven and unless he is some wicked smart mastermind criminal, there is no way he could have pulled this off with no traces of blood, etc at his residence. If he did it, there is no way it happened the way Brendan said it did.
Steven may have done it, but there are so many holes in this case that there is no way he should be in prison right now. How the authorities handled the investigation should get most of them fired and never allowed to practice/enforce law ever again.
Tbh, if someone would have bathed that mf'er, given him a pair of underwear, and slapped a suit on him, then we wouldn't be hearing any of this.
We just better hope nobody hurts our significant other, cops don't dislike us or we are at the wrong place at the wrong time. If any of those happen any of us could end up in an iron 8x10 box for something we didn't do.
I really would like to see that police department be totally exposed.
I really would like to see that police department be totally exposed.
She was originally burned at the quarry pit in the back of the junkyard. I would imagine that's when she was put in the back of the RAV 4.
I don't think she was ever tied up in Stevens house or the garage unless she was in the back of the RAV 4.
If she was originally burned in the back of the junkyard and put in the RAV4, why was her hair and blood found in the back? Makes more sense that she was killed, put in the Rav4 bleeding and then taken somewhere to be burned.
She may not have been tied up in the house but that is what the prosecutors argued and I guess, the jury agreed.
The part that no one ever had a good answer for is how Officer Colburn called in asking for confirmation of the plate number and make of the vehicle prior to the time he should have had that knowledge. I believe he found the car and knew this was his chance to get Avery, so he moved it to his lot.
It makes zero sense that as junky as that garage was, they were able to clean up all the blood on every little piece of junk, yet completely forgot to touch the inside of the RAV4. Not to mention there was no reason to put her in the RAV4 if it went down as the state said.
It's scary that even with that much reasonable doubt, you can still get convicted.
It makes zero sense that as junky as that garage was, they were able to clean up all the blood on every little piece of junk, yet completely forgot to touch the inside of the RAV4. Not to mention there was no reason to put her in the RAV4 if it went down as the state said.
It's scary that even with that much reasonable doubt, you can still get convicted.
I emailed Dean Strang and he replied back to me. He's the man.
I'm saying I don't think she was killed in the house or garage. As for the blood in the RAV 4 that may be from being hit in the head with something.
I just don't believe she ever left that property. Her phone calls stopped once she arrived, no text messages. Someone would've had to have intercepted her almost immediately upon leaving the property. Since she was there for work you would think once she was through she would've called her boss and said she had made all the rounds.
It's a decision I'm glad I didn't have to make. So many things you can point out to show guilt and innocence.
That part about Colburn was interesting, there's probably more to that testimony than we heard. When did that call take place, was that before or after her murder. Where was he when he made the call.