The last time I saw this much cherrypicking, [edited for political correctness]
Mark Stoops guaranteed compensation (for those who think he could be let go)
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Every AD is going to have hits and misses. MB has the best overall resume.
Again, feel free to post the resume of a better UK AD.
Again, feel free to post the resume of a better UK AD.
Nobody cares about olympic sports. Take those off his resume. You had nothing on there about football except his dubious spending on improvements, which was late and reluctant, and again left out the HORRIBLE decision to dump the armored car on Stoops last season. Your unwillingness to present a comprehensive "resume" indicates where your loyalties lie and your lack of intellectual honesty.
The question was about which metrics we're judging MB as the best AD in history and I absolutely had football on there, perhaps you should re-read it. Bowl wins, stadium expansion and facilities, academics, no NCAA issues, K-fund and other fundraising, etc. Also the only thing I mentioned about Olympic sports was the new facilities. And I think a ton of people care about them.
Again, for the third time, if you feel another AD is better than MB, feel free to post his resume. Cherry pick if you want - but you still won't find a better resume than MB's.
Or just whine like a baby and vent your frustration at anyone and everyone associated with UK.
Again, for the third time, if you feel another AD is better than MB, feel free to post his resume. Cherry pick if you want - but you still won't find a better resume than MB's.
Or just whine like a baby and vent your frustration at anyone and everyone associated with UK.
Hired Billy Clyde, promoted Joker, hired nimrod Stooops and gave him a totally undeserved extension and huge raise, and absolutely would have NEVER hired Cal if not for Mike Pratt and other influential alumni forcing him to do it. Cal and the basketball program jump started the majority of the 'good' vibes that you are tap dancing around in your post. If Barnhart was locked in a room and made his decisions solely of his own accord we'd be paddling upstream for eternity. He's not thr brains behind 99% of the good things you've mentioned. Hell, he doesn't even have a good relationship with Cal but fortunately for all of the BBN Cal does his work without having to bow down to the laughing stock a.k.a. Mitch Barnhart. True story.
I'm having a rational discussion. Your wildly hyperbolic attempt to characterize it as whining again reveals your lack of discipline in maintaining a discussion AND reveals your true loyalties.
Nobody on this board cares anything about olympic sports. This is the football board. You're not winning hearts and minds by touting those as 'accomplishments.' In this forum they're a punch line. MB doesn't care about football, he's a min/max guy. The HORRIBLE decision to dump an armored car on Stoops before he had any decent track record ought to be enough for him to be sacked. That's a horrific waste of money on an unproven (at the time) coach who now is proven to be a colossal failure.
Your inability to provide a better UK AD is just further proof I'm correct You can list all the failures of MB since he arrived and there will be a lot considering how long he's been at UK, but again, he's the best AD in UK's history. You can whine and moan and be upset over Stoops' contract all you want but you're wrong and think emotionally rather than logically. Get over the loss this past weekend and come back when you're rational thinking and you'll admit I'm correct.
And I personally care about Olympic sports so you're incorrect about that as well. You should get some sleep.
And I personally care about Olympic sports so you're incorrect about that as well. You should get some sleep.
Let me get this straight: You like olympic sports, and you think Stoops' contract is legit.
Are you Mitch?
Whoever you are fighting with I have blocked. It is just Prime post after post for me, lol.
I don't know how anyone could be wrong in stating Barnhart giving Stoops that extension was a moronic decision. It is exactly what IU did with Crean but at least that buffoon went to two sweet 16s. Olympic sports are window dressing- the true measure lies with the football and basketball programs. And in a smaller extent, baseball and women's basketball as they gain popularity. Our football and baseball programs are a joke and his handling of the basketball program was comical before he was "persuaded" to hire Cal.
I would like to recommend that you think about what you're going to post before you actually do it. It may prevent you from posting your nonsense that makes you look bad and quite frankly very misinformed of reality.
LOL it's Vandalayindustries.
Here's his latest nonsense we're all laughing at:
"Your inability to provide a better UK AD is just further proof I'm correct You can list all the failures of MB since he arrived and there will be a lot considering how long he's been at UK, but again, he's the best AD in UK's history. You can whine and moan and be upset over Stoops' contract all you want but you're wrong and think emotionally rather than logically. Get over the loss this past weekend and come back when you're rational thinking and you'll admit I'm correct.
And I personally care about Olympic sports so you're incorrect about that as well. You should get some sleep."
LOL reminds me of Bill Burr's comedy: "Women don't even like women's basketball!"
Correct football and basketball provides the revenue for all the other sports.
His hiring of Mathew Mitchell was good, I've always thought UK could have a good women's team.
The problem with this argument is that Brooks was a proven coach with a proven track record. He had major head coaching experience to draw on. Stoops has nothing.
I get what everyone is saying. Stoops is in over his head right now. But I've said it before, what athletics department would you trade for right now?
Louisville - no
North Carolina - no
Texas - no
Florida - depends on how much you you like b ball
You see, when you think about it, I'm just not sure. Barnhart definitely screwed up with extension. But we are squeaky clean. Most sports doing well. I think he needs to just put a lot of pressure on stoops behind scenes to make changes.
Louisville - no
North Carolina - no
Texas - no
Florida - depends on how much you you like b ball
You see, when you think about it, I'm just not sure. Barnhart definitely screwed up with extension. But we are squeaky clean. Most sports doing well. I think he needs to just put a lot of pressure on stoops behind scenes to make changes.
By simple fact that Mizoo and USCe are going to get a bounce from their new coach, we are chained to our small-mouthed piglet for 3 more years of this.
I already unfollowed on Twitter everything related to UK football.
<~~~~~<<<<< done.
I already unfollowed on Twitter everything related to UK football.
<~~~~~<<<<< done.
Comparing Mitch's record as AD to previous ADs to me is idiotic. Different eras produce different results because circumstances change. Previous ADs didn't have the cash cow of the SEC Network, or the balooning revenue of the CBS contract with SEC football, or the mega bucks of the NCAA tournament. Go back 20-30 years and your football and basketball programs provided basically ALL of the sports revenue for any college...and for most it was only football. Previous ADs didn't care...and didn't spend a dime basically on minor sports because absolutely no one cared....and nothing on womans sports because there was no Title IX. Etc, etc. Like comparing a watermelon to a mustard seed.
I'll go back to a question I raised on Saturday that didn't receive an answer,
Does Mark Stoops contract require him to be the head football coach? Or, only that he's paid that amount of salary over the next few years? If we are stuck with his salary, we're stuck. But make him the highest paid Defensive Coordinator in the country, (which is a position where he has proven he excels), and bring in someone else to be head coach.
If Stoops doesn't like the demotion, he can walk. But he walks from a lot of money. If he doesn't perform as the DC, then he could be fired with cause.
Does Mark Stoops contract require him to be the head football coach? Or, only that he's paid that amount of salary over the next few years? If we are stuck with his salary, we're stuck. But make him the highest paid Defensive Coordinator in the country, (which is a position where he has proven he excels), and bring in someone else to be head coach.
If Stoops doesn't like the demotion, he can walk. But he walks from a lot of money. If he doesn't perform as the DC, then he could be fired with cause.
I don't know if any AD would last very long here if football success were all that mattered. We don't have any proof that a competitive football program can be maintained here, at least without cheating.
Correct, if football success is the primary determinant of a successful AD, we would have had about 35 different ADs in our history.
That may be true to a point, but I think you can absolutely compare ADs in the modern era. You can compare success/failure and hires on the major sports, any NCAA infractions, commitment to new facilities, etc.
Has there ever been any AD at UK that was truly 100% committed to football? Couldn't Newton or Ivy foreseen the business/cash explosion and importance of football during their era and made an investment to try and keep up with not only the SEC but another school in-state?
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give our AD a few more football hires and he'll have us right where he wants us...
he'll be giving tickets way at his church social...
i'm off the Stoops bashing... he's got a contract and we should honor the deal...
but that guy that runs the show... he needs to be gone yesterday...
could care less who coaches football. i will not buy another ticket as long as we have the same AD.
he's not worth the price of a ticket to me as an AD....
pretty much sums up....
give our AD a few more football hires and he'll have us right where he wants us...
he'll be giving tickets way at his church social...
i'm off the Stoops bashing... he's got a contract and we should honor the deal...
but that guy that runs the show... he needs to be gone yesterday...
could care less who coaches football. i will not buy another ticket as long as we have the same AD.
he's not worth the price of a ticket to me as an AD....
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Don't stop there, UKErik, keep going. You're right, they've been incompetent. The Vandy game alone had probably 10 instances of incompetent coaching. How do you explain someone with Stoops background and pedigree being that bad a coach? How do you explain that it happened suddenly? His first two years, we weren't complaining of incompetence. We wondered if he'd prove capable with in-game adjustments, if he would be able to develop the talent he recruited, that kind of thing. No one wondered why he was an idiot, incapable of making the most fundamental of coaching moves. No one wondered why his team looked so undisciplined and poorly coached. Heck, it wasn't even all of this year - half way through the season, Ace was saying we were poorly coached and hardly anyone agreed with him.
The reasonable explanation to me is this has just gone off the rails - player divisions, coaching divisions, looker room poison, whatever. Complete chaos and dysfunction. In that kind of petrie dish, no one is going to look like a good coach. Now, you can say, well, that's part of it, if he can't hold a team together any better than that, then he's not a good coach. But that's a different thing than saying he can't make adjustments or manage a game.