Seriously - now you guys are saying that negative message board posts about the coach hurt recruiting? After the things said on this board about Pelini the last several years. This board is FAR more positive about the coaching staff now that it has been for years. Frankly I would think any half-way intelligent recruit would discount the garbage that typically gets posted on message boards. But my point is simply to please try to be consistent in your opinions or positions. Don't post things now that are 180 degrees different from what you posted 2 years ago.
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Are you saying there is no possible way that it couldn't? Doesn't?
This program has fired the last 3 coaches with winning records. It sure wouldn't take much for opposing coaches to use that fact and negative fans to their advantage.
I don't know if it hurts or not, but anyone making a blanket statement that recruits don't care better have some facts to back it up.or they are basicially talking out of their
Ok Dingle, I don't disagree with that, but reading this board I honestly think the positives outweigh the negative posts. And if what you say is true what about this: does that mean players aren't crazy about signing on to a team with a new coach who's in the twilight of his career and just went 5-7? I emphasize new because obviously established old coaches like Bowden could still bring kids in cuz he'd been at the school for ages. Maybe you don't think they care about that but if what you say is true I don't think its that crazy of a thought.
You better go back and find where I ever once posted that negative message boards didn't hurt recruiting. Second, many people I know assumed that some of Bo's comments and behavior made public made it inevitable that he was going to be fired. Hell our own radio guys thought he was going to get fired a year before he did. The NATIONAL public thought largely thought he should be fired. People from Florida came up to me IN MEXICO when they found out I was a Nebraska fan and asked me why Osborne didn't fire Pelini. There were PLENTY of people on here defending Pelini though and still are today including yourself.
Are you saying there is no possible way that it couldn't? Doesn't?
This program has fired the last 3 coaches with winning records. It sure wouldn't take much for opposing coaches to use that fact and negative fans to their advantage.
I don't know if it hurts or not, but anyone making a blanket statement that recruits don't care better have some facts to back it up.or they are basicially talking out of their
Well, since we are giving facts, our current coach doesn't have a winning record here, do you think they use that? And what he said about Bo is true we were negative toward him late (and deservedly so don't get me wrong) and I understand he was a lunatic enough to turn players away himself and I'd rather play for Riley but if it's not okay to post negative now it wasn't then, either.
Bowden didn't have to convince kids to move a thousand miles from home to play for him. I agree that continuity helps, but who's to say that Riley won't be at NU for the next 10 years? We are not going to have a run like TO or Bowden had anytime soon. Maybe IF 5 years from now Riley retires and we hire a guy like Frost. Not suggesting that Riley is TO but wouldn't you have hired TO at 62? How about Saban right now? He's older than Riley. Age is not the issue. The guy is in great shape and has some key younger assistants. Age is relative. I've know some 75 year olds that were tough to keep up with and I've known some 45 year olds that you might as well bury.
Look I'm not arguing with you about the age thing (but let's just pretend we didn't compare hiring Riley with hiring Osborne or Saban at this point in their careers). My basis remains the same and you could be right about the age thing. Let me re type it:
If thinking negative message board posting hurts recruiting with 18 year old kids because they are afraid of the coach being fired isn't crazy, is thinking that the coach recruiting was new at his school at an old age and just went 5-7 his first year hurts recruiting crazy? Yes or no?
(And before you say it, yes there are a lot of positives about mike that we can point to for recruits that matter more than his age in first year, but remember that means there is also a lot of positive to look to other than nameless negative message board posters)
If thinking negative message board posting hurts recruiting with 18 year old kids because they are afraid of the coach being fired isn't crazy, is thinking that the coach recruiting was new at his school at an old age and just went 5-7 his first year hurts recruiting crazy? Yes or no?
(And before you say it, yes there are a lot of positives about mike that we can point to for recruits that matter more than his age in first year, but remember that means there is also a lot of positive to look to other than nameless negative message board posters)
First nothing in my post was defending Pelini. Second my point was not to say that no recruits would be impacted by negative message board points. I am sure some are - although I would also say that in my opinion none "should" be impacted positively or negatively by that because message boards are bastions of overreaction and misinformation.
My point was that it seems strange that people now complain about negativity on the message board when the overwhelming tenor of this board was extremely negative toward the program for years. Simply put if you now say that a few negative posts on message boards toward the coaching staff hurt recruiting and in the past you actively made negative posts about the coaching staff maybe you should at least stop and think if there is an element of inconsistency there.
My point was that it seems strange that people now complain about negativity on the message board when the overwhelming tenor of this board was extremely negative toward the program for years. Simply put if you now say that a few negative posts on message boards toward the coaching staff hurt recruiting and in the past you actively made negative posts about the coaching staff maybe you should at least stop and think if there is an element of inconsistency there.
Of course 5-7 hurts but the bottomline is that with the kids I have known it wasn't as important as knowing that the coach they liked was going to be there. Anybody knows that watched our games this year that we were damned close to a lot better record than what we ended up with. That is a fairly easy thing to sell. You tell them that YOU are the guy that could be that difference maker that could have made that one or two plays to have put us at 11 wins.
Yes that's a great recruiting tool that would also help combat the negativity.
What I'm trying to get you to realize is the message board posting doesn't matter more than going 5-7. What do kids expect? Give them some credit. Also take a peek at a stadium full of 92k fans and if you think bitching about 5-7 is bad I wonder what they think when they see bitching about coaches with winning records on other boards cuz...you of course know...every fan base does it.
What I'm trying to get you to realize is the message board posting doesn't matter more than going 5-7. What do kids expect? Give them some credit. Also take a peek at a stadium full of 92k fans and if you think bitching about 5-7 is bad I wonder what they think when they see bitching about coaches with winning records on other boards cuz...you of course know...every fan base does it.
It hasn't been a "few" negative posts. There have been several posters on here that have started a constant stream of negative threads and posts and it has gotten old. They repeat the same crap day after day and week after week. Pelini had SEVEN YEARS and he should have been canned in the first 3 years for some of the crap he pulled. Riley has hardly had a chance to unpack his bags. IF in year 5 he's still losing 7 games a year I'll be all over that he needs to go.
Well anyway let's just hope we beat ucla cuz if we do I dont think you'll have to worry too much about negativity for awhile cuz that would be a big step in the right direction
Btw are you serious you would wait five years of 7 losses to cut ties? Five?? Good thing you aren't in charge
Btw are you serious you would wait five years of 7 losses to cut ties? Five?? Good thing you aren't in charge
Of course they want to know if the coach that recruits them is going to be there, I agree with that.
However they determine that not by message boards but on records and how well the team is playing
There has notbeen a suggestion to fire Riley this year from anyone on this board and most agree including me he has three to four year to prove his stuff - Since he is in year one of his contract recruits know this also
You are such a hypocrite - If negative posts are bad for Riley and NU they were bad for Pelini and NU also. You stated that negative posts hurt recruiting but I guess that is ok as long as the coach is not liked
You've been on here bashing Riley since the day he was hired so don't give me that "there has not been a suggestion to fire Riley this year". You've suggested multiple times that he had no more than a year left to prove himself.
So. Your true agenda comes out. You've denied being a Boliever for months and you finally admitted it. Bo had SEVEN years. Riley hasn't even had a full year with the team yet. All recruits had to do was read the national media and watch Bo act like a Jackass. You do remember the audiotapes don't you? You do remember our own radio guys saying that he must be gone a year before he got fired? Bo cut his own sack.
I have also made positive posts about him and I have consistently stated he has three to four years - Just because you have some type of issue with any posts that are not positive in nature is not my problem
I have been mostly concerned or negative as you put it but not all - In fact when he was hired I was ok with Riley but did not like the Banker hire nor was I thrilled about Read and Langsdorf
There goes that "Bo card" again - think what you want I could care less -
Again recruits migrate to schools that are winning - schools that are winning have fans that are happy , schools that are not winning do not have happy fans - How is this hard to understand
It's "couldn't care less". Winning does cure a bunch of ills. I'm not happy with 5-7 either BUT I can see the big picture and have learned that immediate gratification isn't the be all end all. Constantly whining about it on a message board is just psychotic. IMO, we were closer to being a really good team even at 5-7 this year than in some of those 9 win years. I saw evidence of that at the end of the year in those last 3 games and hopefully that continues in the bowl game.
This is not about instant gratification is about a team that does not have losing seasons just having a bad one.
You know I have seen this time and again on this board if someone takes a position not well liked ( could be positive or negative) then that person is shouted down and called a bunch of names - psychotic being one of them
I am a person that does not like to be told the way I must think and the more I am called names I do find myself digging into my position even harder. That said over the years I have been a positive guy, I am not on Riley and I am sorry you do not like that.
The whole being called Blotard, psycho, idiot and any number of other names is getting a bit tiresome however. I could start calling people names in response - Like I could call you a self absorbed delusional POS - but then I am just stooping to a level at that point
Though we had this one . Swing and a miss. Riley and company will rebound. but this stings 3 in a row to other schools.(ASU-FU-TCU)we will turn this around GBR
Thanks for the link newAD.
So is the article trying to say this is the fault of the fans? It's our fault that recruits are not choosing NU?
Yeah.. I'm pretty sure if the team hadn't gone 5-7, then the fans wouldn't be upset about the programs direction. It's cause and effect. The team went 5-7, recruits don't want to play for losers. It's not the fans fault they went 5-7. That's called an excuse.
NOBODY has said it's the fans' fault we went 5-7. This IS about 4 or 5 posters on this message board that have been beating this drum since the day Riley was hired. It's the same crap day after day, week after week and now MONTH AFTER MONTH. The same exact sh## posted in multiple new threads EVERY damned time I get on this message board to check Husker news. Nobody was happy with 5-7 but for heaven's sake some people need to give it a rest and try to have some optimism. IF they can't do that they need to go see a Dr. Riley and his staff haven't even been in Lincoln for a full year yet. We saw immense improvement at the end of the year and a FEW people are either too damned blind or too loyal to FHCBP to see it.
With all due respect, it's just as easy to argue that some people are either "too damned blind or too loyal to" MR to see that they are only making excuses for the current performance/state of affairs.
If you're old enough to remember records...
1. Records play on both sides
2. The B side isn't as good as the A side (45's)
Dang don't you sleep? 4 am and now 7:30? It's symantics. Is it making an excuse or is it expressing logical reasons for something. I just get tired of the same posters starting new threads week after week saying the same damned thing over and over again. It is 20 times easier to express negativity than it is to express positivity and negativity is malignant. It's like a bunch of 16 year olds that are unhappy with something and they want it their way NOW.
Should that optimistic posting extend to the players as well? It seems that that the posters who look for any excuses to defend the coaches are the same ones who rip the players any chance they get. Maybe this recruit read all the vitriol about Daniel Davie and Nate Gerry, and didn't want to put up with that crap during his stint. Maybe he didn't want to have every single quote or twitter statement get picked apart and twisted like Armstrong's are. Or maybe he just figured TCU defensive system fit him better. Who knows. The only thing we really know is that the coaches couldn't close him.
I actually go to sleep early, about 8pm and get up around 3am.
I agree it is easier to be negative than positive, and I don't mean this situation, it's true of a lot of situations. I'm certainly not starting a bunch of threads about it, but what I think some people want to know is that yes, others do agree with their points of view. As far as the want it Now type thing, It's been what 15 years already? On that part, I disagree.. people have been patient.
I am glad Bo is gone and he left a lot to be desired as a recruiter. However, this nonsense about the fans affecting recruiting is just that...nonsense. The people on this board don't fire people. It's the AD. For two years our AD left the program and recruits spinning in the wind with his statements about not commenting during the season. But I didn't hear people here complaining about what this was doing to recruiting...and he's the guy who does the actual firing! Now we have people bent out of shape because some fans on a message board are hurting recruiting? Ridiculous.
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I did not once say that message boards are the only or maybe even the most important thing in recruits' decisions. I agree about the Gerry and Davie stuff and I defended them too. Anybody with any football knowledge though will look at TA's decision making and arrive at the same conclusions as most of the fans. He has to get better or it will be another long season for us. The tone on anonymous social media and message boards though is terrible.
It's disappointing Markell Simmons didn't go our way. Hopefully the staff has some other guys on their list still available.
Riley has been coaching this team less than a year. We saw great improvement those last 3 games and yet some insist on lumping it all under the final record. What happend the previous dozen years has nothing to do with how Riley will do going forward other than it made his job MUCH tougher.
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No $#&%, he doesn't have a winning record here, and yes I'd absolutely expect that to be used against Nebraska in recruiting. Opposing coaches will use anything they can.
There's being negative, and then there is being stupid. As I've said before, we've fired our last 3 coaches with winning records. Bitching and moaning and calling for the firing of a coach during his first season is a a good way to cause negative recruiting. Now vs then is apples and oranges, not comparable.
It just floors me that there can be posts on this board noting the days since the last "non-kicker" commitment, constant bitching calling for the coach and A.D. to be fired, and then people wonder why there is a potential problem getting kids (who today live on line and social media) to want to come here over programs, and can't fathom the idea that all the negativity could just possibly be an issue? It doesn't take the recruit coming to this or any other Husker related board, twitter, etc, it could be his friends, family members, high school staff/coaches, people who have a vested interest in what happens to the kid, and want what is best for him.
I've never recruited a kid to come play football, but I'm quite certain I could talk a large percentage of undecided recruits out of coming here. I can't say with certainty, but I'd bet recruits have heard something similar to this below:
"You can't go to Nebraska! They just fired a coach who went to 7 bowl games in seven years. The coach before that, went to two bowl games in four years, and was just one win away from .500 the other two seasons. He completely changed their offense from option to pro-style. Before that, they fired another coach who made a bowl game every year, and played for a national championship.
Their coach now, their fans wanted him fired before he coached his first game. You should read the stuff their fans post on-line. They want him gone. If you go there and things don't work next year, the A.D. is gone, and then the coach is gone by November. Then what happens? What if the new staff doesn't want you there, or you don't fit what they do? Then you have to transfer! Who wants to do that? Why take the risk? It just isn't worth it. You need to go somewhere with some stability, where you know your coach will be there for your entire career. You just don't have that stability at Nebraska because they won't give a coach a chance there. That place is a dumpster fire."
Perception is reality, and there is stuff all over to fuel the perception. Oh and spare me the 'you commit to a school not a coach' talk.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but don't be so myopic to think that negative opinions in no way possible could have a negative effect.
Hahaha.. tell that to @timnsun
Some posters try to say MR took a nobody and made them average.. they want you to believe that given a program like NU, he would do a similar improvement and make them contend for national championships.
The reason people are searching for excuses is, that isn't what happened. He's made things worse.
That's why everyone is scratching their heads and making excuses for him.
When it doesn't add up, you have to go back and re-evaluate your assumptions.
I'm saying it is possible, and I find it amazing that some people can't believe it is possible. See my other posting. We are the fans of the program that has fired their last 3 coaches with winning records. I can make a cause and effect claim there too.
I'd love it if a local reporter would track down every recruit who decided against Nebraska this year, and asked them why they didn't chose Nebraska.
Ok Tom, as I asked another poster, how do you know this to be true? Which recruits have you spoken to that have told you this?
Yes the AD hires and fires. The boosters have major influence, but the fans can have major influences in a coach's job security (Oklahoma State game 2007).
If it is true that recruits are swayed by a message board, then we need smarter recruits. Secondly, people leaving a stadium in droves following an abysmal year and a half is waaaaayyyyy different than people voicing criticism on a message board...and very, very, very few of those folks are calling for the coaches head.
Now hold on, all we heard during the Bo tenure was that message board attitude had no effect on recruiting and that kids were smarter than that. My how the table turns.