Marsy's Law

[TortElvisII]

This will pass.

It is on ballot as victims rights.

Are you in favor of providing
constitutional rights to victims of
crime, including the right to be
treated fairly, with dignity and
respect, and the right to be informed
and to have a voice in the judicial
process?
Yes No

 

[TruBluCatFan]

This will pass.

It is on ballot as victims rights.

Are you in favor of providing
constitutional rights to victims of
crime, including the right to be
treated fairly, with dignity and
respect, and the right to be informed
and to have a voice in the judicial
process?
Yes No

Exactly. When you read it you think how can this be bad. But it is.

 

[jwheat]

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VOTE NO ON MARCYS LAW
ATTENTION KENTUCKY VOTERS!
What do you all think in Kentucky about this new bill we are to be voting on November 6th called Marsy's law? I will be voting NO to this bill. This is why.

Say Joe Burglar breaks into your home, intent on stealing your stuff and hurting your family. And you, armed with your firearm, shoot and seriously wound Joe Burglar. Today, you have statutory rights in Kentucky that protect you, and give you the right to stand your ground in your own home.

Let’s assume, however, that a sleeping Kentucky public passes Marsey’s law’s constitutional amendment next week.

Joe Burglar will, if the proposal passes, be able to demand that the prosecutor charge you. And the Grand Jury will never hear that you shot in self defense (a grand jury typically hears only one side of the story — in this case, the process is driven by the “victim”).

Joe Burglar will then keep you from discovery to defend yourself, because it invades his privacy. His mile long rap sheet and life of criminal convictions? You don’t get that to help defend yourself — it invades poor Joe’s privacy.

And your right to cross examine Joe about it? Well, that may also invade his privacy, so you do not get to cross examine him about that. And, we can’t let you ask about him breaking him into your house that night and trying to hurt your family — it also is undignified towards Joe and invades his privacy.

Keep in mind, there is no hearing requirement to determine who is a victim. A person makes an accusation (like Joe Burglar above), is automatically a victim under the wording of this proposal.

People need to wake up about this proposal. Who doesn’t want to afford crime victims “rights?” It sounds really good. Until you dig into it. The problem is it is being put into a Constitutional Amendment on par with the Second Amendment in Kentucky, and other key rights like the right to confront your accuser. And it may make criminals out of law abiding homeowners who are protecting their families.

I was all set to vote yes until the hidden stuff in this bill was explained. I can’t vote yes because it will severely mess up the Stand Your Ground rights. This is shared from a friend who explained a little more in depth about this law. Again, this is a anti Liberty Amendment, and we oppose it. And we agree with Judge Wingate — this proposal’s wording is grossly misleading to Kentucky voters.

This is how it reads on the ballot. Don’t be fooled.

 

[anthonys735]

They way that is written on the ballot may be one of the more f*cked up political stunts I've ever seen. Still not 100% sure what it does but b/c of how it's presented it's getting a big fat no from me.

 

[mashburned]

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VOTE NO ON MARCYS LAW
ATTENTION KENTUCKY VOTERS!
What do you all think in Kentucky about this new bill we are to be voting on November 6th called Marsy's law? I will be voting NO to this bill. This is why.

Say Joe Burglar breaks into your home, intent on stealing your stuff and hurting your family. And you, armed with your firearm, shoot and seriously wound Joe Burglar. Today, you have statutory rights in Kentucky that protect you, and give you the right to stand your ground in your own home.

Let’s assume, however, that a sleeping Kentucky public passes Marsey’s law’s constitutional amendment next week.

Joe Burglar will, if the proposal passes, be able to demand that the prosecutor charge you. And the Grand Jury will never hear that you shot in self defense (a grand jury typically hears only one side of the story — in this case, the process is driven by the “victim”).

Joe Burglar will then keep you from discovery to defend yourself, because it invades his privacy. His mile long rap sheet and life of criminal convictions? You don’t get that to help defend yourself — it invades poor Joe’s privacy.

And your right to cross examine Joe about it? Well, that may also invade his privacy, so you do not get to cross examine him about that. And, we can’t let you ask about him breaking him into your house that night and trying to hurt your family — it also is undignified towards Joe and invades his privacy.

Keep in mind, there is no hearing requirement to determine who is a victim. A person makes an accusation (like Joe Burglar above), is automatically a victim under the wording of this proposal.

People need to wake up about this proposal. Who doesn’t want to afford crime victims “rights?” It sounds really good. Until you dig into it. The problem is it is being put into a Constitutional Amendment on par with the Second Amendment in Kentucky, and other key rights like the right to confront your accuser. And it may make criminals out of law abiding homeowners who are protecting their families.

I was all set to vote yes until the hidden stuff in this bill was explained. I can’t vote yes because it will severely mess up the Stand Your Ground rights. This is shared from a friend who explained a little more in depth about this law. Again, this is a anti Liberty Amendment, and we oppose it. And we agree with Judge Wingate — this proposal’s wording is grossly misleading to Kentucky voters.

This is how it reads on the ballot. Don’t be fooled.

So how in the world is this even on the ballot and who is responsible for putting it there?

 

[jwheat]

So how in the world is this even on the ballot and who is responsible for putting it there?

Some billionaire apparently

I don’t don’t completely understand it but the way I just read it seems pretty ****** up

 

[downw/ball-lineD]

A billionaire from California-----who doesn't live in KY-----yet he wants to affect your KY rights. Vote no Folks! Wolf in sheep's clothing

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

Horrible law. Any of the seemingly good aspects are already law and part of the prosecutorial practice.

The rest of it is pure trash and likely wouldn't stand up to a constitutional challenge. That's assuming they ever get to certify the outcome. Trying to trick people into voting for it tells you all you need to know.

Any legislator pushing it should be voted out or physically removed from office. Not just because they're terrible. But mainly because they're blatant shameless whores who'll say whatever just to get donations take from a California billionaire.

Didn't it pass the KY House or Senate by a 97% vote? Maybe we should clean out Frankfort then.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

Actually, if possessing a plant that grows naturally from the ground wasnt seen as devil grass it probably wouldnt be as crowded.

Poppy is a natural plant grown in the ground too so are you saying we should legalize heroin and morphine?

 

[Ukbrassowtipin]

Poppy is a natural plant grown in the ground too so are you saying we should legalize heroin and morphine?

If you cant see the difference between weed and heroin I dont know what to tell ya. Youre stretching tho. What's next, you gonna claim I said we should ban potatoes because of vodka and corn because of whiskey? Try harder.

 

[downw/ball-lineD]

They should all be impeached if they voted for this garbage!

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

If you cant see the difference between weed and heroin I dont know what to tell ya. Youre stretching tho. What's next, you gonna claim I said we should ban potatoes because of vodka and corn because of whiskey? Try harder.

So where is the cutoff line? I assume you are the one who determines it?

 

[TruBluCatFan]

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VOTE NO ON MARCYS LAW
ATTENTION KENTUCKY VOTERS!
What do you all think in Kentucky about this new bill we are to be voting on November 6th called Marsy's law? I will be voting NO to this bill. This is why.

Say Joe Burglar breaks into your home, intent on stealing your stuff and hurting your family. And you, armed with your firearm, shoot and seriously wound Joe Burglar. Today, you have statutory rights in Kentucky that protect you, and give you the right to stand your ground in your own home.

Let’s assume, however, that a sleeping Kentucky public passes Marsey’s law’s constitutional amendment next week.

Joe Burglar will, if the proposal passes, be able to demand that the prosecutor charge you. And the Grand Jury will never hear that you shot in self defense (a grand jury typically hears only one side of the story — in this case, the process is driven by the “victim”).

Joe Burglar will then keep you from discovery to defend yourself, because it invades his privacy. His mile long rap sheet and life of criminal convictions? You don’t get that to help defend yourself — it invades poor Joe’s privacy.

And your right to cross examine Joe about it? Well, that may also invade his privacy, so you do not get to cross examine him about that. And, we can’t let you ask about him breaking him into your house that night and trying to hurt your family — it also is undignified towards Joe and invades his privacy.

Keep in mind, there is no hearing requirement to determine who is a victim. A person makes an accusation (like Joe Burglar above), is automatically a victim under the wording of this proposal.

People need to wake up about this proposal. Who doesn’t want to afford crime victims “rights?” It sounds really good. Until you dig into it. The problem is it is being put into a Constitutional Amendment on par with the Second Amendment in Kentucky, and other key rights like the right to confront your accuser. And it may make criminals out of law abiding homeowners who are protecting their families.

I was all set to vote yes until the hidden stuff in this bill was explained. I can’t vote yes because it will severely mess up the Stand Your Ground rights. This is shared from a friend who explained a little more in depth about this law. Again, this is a anti Liberty Amendment, and we oppose it. And we agree with Judge Wingate — this proposal’s wording is grossly misleading to Kentucky voters.

This is how it reads on the ballot. Don’t be fooled.

This is being spread all over FB. Not the best scenario to use because of how far fetched it is but it’s not an impossible scenario. I just hope the police and prosecutors would have some sense in this scenario.

Still vote NO and tell everyone else as well.

 

[mashburned]

Heroin and cocaine have to be processed from the plants. Like marijuana concentrate.

Poppies, coca, marijuana should all absolutely be legal.

 

[TruBluCatFan]

Of course not. The enforcement of the law is not on the ballot.

What does this even mean?

Finally realized what you meant. It won’t go into effect any time soon because of the pending lawsuit and Judge Wingate’s order.

 

[funKYcat75]

So where is the cutoff line? I assume you are the one who determines it?

Marijuana ——— cut off line ——— heroin

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Didn't it pass the KY House or Senate by a 97% vote? Maybe we should clean out Frankfort then.

If so, yes.

 

[jwheat]

Not to sound like a pro heroine guy but this old lady in town had a poppi plant and I got some resin off it and put it on my weed and it got me super fried

 

[Dr. H Lecter]

I want to wait to see what the Courier Journal tells me to do...... But seeing that the ACLU is against it I am guessing that the CJ is too. I would normally be opposed to anything the CJ/ACLU tell us to do. This however could be one of those rare times I vote with the ACLU/CJ.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

This will pass.

It is on ballot as victims rights.

Are you in favor of providing
constitutional rights to victims of
crime, including the right to be
treated fairly, with dignity and
respect, and the right to be informed
and to have a voice in the judicial
process?
Yes No

I saw this today also when I looked what's on my local ballot.
Most people will vote YES, since most people don't look past TV commercials when they vote for a candidate.

 

[jwheat]

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I’ve had a ton of you message me about Marcy’s Law that’s on the ballot tomorrow. Let me clear it up for you.

First of all, the “Joe Burglar” post that’s going around is false. This has nothing to do with stand your ground gun laws. It is a law to protect VICTIMS and VICTIMS FAMILIES, NOT CRIMINALS.

It’s named Marcy’s Law after a girl in California who was murdered. Before it went to trial, the judge let the murderer out on bail, and Marcy’s Family was not notified that he was out. One week later Marcy’s mother was confronted by the man in a grocery store.

This law, which is put forward to us as a constitutional amendment, because we are not a proposition state, gives more rights to victims and their families.

This will allow the victim or the family of a victim to be notified when the perpetrator is released on bail, is up for parole, is freed from jail, etc. It also gives the victims and their families a stronger voice in the judicial process involving the criminal.

I am voting in favor of the amendment, because I think if a woman is raped she should know whether that rapist is in jail, or out of jail, or up for parole.

The family of a murder victim should be notified whether their relative’s killer is free or incarcerated.

A woman who’s been stalked and beaten by her ex-husband or ex-boyfriend should know where they are, and not have to live in fear of him getting out and her not knowing.

This does not remove your rights in any way. It simply strengthens the rights we afford to victims and their families.

Hope this helps! Feel free to share with your friends and relatives who are unsure about it.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

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I’ve had a ton of you message me about Marcy’s Law that’s on the ballot tomorrow. Let me clear it up for you.

First of all, the “Joe Burglar” post that’s going around is false. This has nothing to do with stand your ground gun laws. It is a law to protect VICTIMS and VICTIMS FAMILIES, NOT CRIMINALS.

It’s named Marcy’s Law after a girl in California who was murdered. Before it went to trial, the judge let the murderer out on bail, and Marcy’s Family was not notified that he was out. One week later Marcy’s mother was confronted by the man in a grocery store.

This law, which is put forward to us as a constitutional amendment, because we are not a proposition state, gives more rights to victims and their families.

This will allow the victim or the family of a victim to be notified when the perpetrator is released on bail, is up for parole, is freed from jail, etc. It also gives the victims and their families a stronger voice in the judicial process involving the criminal.

I am voting in favor of the amendment, because I think if a woman is raped she should know whether that rapist is in jail, or out of jail, or up for parole.

The family of a murder victim should be notified whether their relative’s killer is free or incarcerated.

A woman who’s been stalked and beaten by her ex-husband or ex-boyfriend should know where they are, and not have to live in fear of him getting out and her not knowing.

This does not remove your rights in any way. It simply strengthens the rights we afford to victims and their families.

Hope this helps! Feel free to share with your friends and relatives who are unsure about it.

What a joke

 

[TruBluCatFan]

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I’ve had a ton of you message me about Marcy’s Law that’s on the ballot tomorrow. Let me clear it up for you.

First of all, the “Joe Burglar” post that’s going around is false. This has nothing to do with stand your ground gun laws. It is a law to protect VICTIMS and VICTIMS FAMILIES, NOT CRIMINALS.

It’s named Marcy’s Law after a girl in California who was murdered. Before it went to trial, the judge let the murderer out on bail, and Marcy’s Family was not notified that he was out. One week later Marcy’s mother was confronted by the man in a grocery store.

This law, which is put forward to us as a constitutional amendment, because we are not a proposition state, gives more rights to victims and their families.

This will allow the victim or the family of a victim to be notified when the perpetrator is released on bail, is up for parole, is freed from jail, etc. It also gives the victims and their families a stronger voice in the judicial process involving the criminal.

I am voting in favor of the amendment, because I think if a woman is raped she should know whether that rapist is in jail, or out of jail, or up for parole.

The family of a murder victim should be notified whether their relative’s killer is free or incarcerated.

A woman who’s been stalked and beaten by her ex-husband or ex-boyfriend should know where they are, and not have to live in fear of him getting out and her not knowing.

This does not remove your rights in any way. It simply strengthens the rights we afford to victims and their families.

Hope this helps! Feel free to share with your friends and relatives who are unsure about it.

Almost all those things are already available to crime victims.

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

It’s the people against the defendant; not the victim. We’ve had this right for 200+ years. Why change now?

 

[Ahnan E. Muss]

Not to sound like a pro heroine guy but this old lady in town had a poppi plant and I got some resin off it and put it on my weed and it got me super fried

I'm pro heroine, especially if we're talking about Wonder Woman.

 

[RacerX.ksr]

Did this law expire?

VICTIM INPUT INTO THE PAROLE PROCESS
In 1986, the Commonwealth of Kentucky enacted legislation designed to recognize the importance of involving the victims of crime and/or their family members in the criminal justice system. Of particular interest is the involvement of victims in the parole decision-making process. Kentucky Revised Statute (KRS) 439.340 details the rights and responsibilities of victims and mandates the Parole Board to notify victims of scheduled parole hearings. The definition of “victim” may be found under Terms and Definitions.

Maybe one of you lawyers can take a look at this and find the expiration date. I couldn't.

 

[TruBluCatFan]

Did this law expire?

VICTIM INPUT INTO THE PAROLE PROCESS
In 1986, the Commonwealth of Kentucky enacted legislation designed to recognize the importance of involving the victims of crime and/or their family members in the criminal justice system. Of particular interest is the involvement of victims in the parole decision-making process. Kentucky Revised Statute (KRS) 439.340 details the rights and responsibilities of victims and mandates the Parole Board to notify victims of scheduled parole hearings. The definition of “victim” may be found under Terms and Definitions.

Maybe one of you lawyers can take a look at this and find the expiration date. I couldn't.

Nope. It’s still good.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

Marijuana ——— cut off line ——— heroin

and how do we determine any and all other naturally grown things used to make drugs/alcohol? I mean hops is used to make beer, corn for whisky, coca for cocain, grapes for wine, heck even apples to make moonshine.

 

[funKYcat75]

and how do we determine any and all other naturally grown things used to make drugs/alcohol? I mean hops is used to make beer, corn for whisky, coca for cocain, grapes for wine, heck even apples to make moonshine.

You’re one of those guys that says, “What’s next? Can I marry my dog?” when people talk about same-sex marriage, aren’t you?

 

[mashburned]

So this "vote" doesn't mean squat.

If I have enough money can I pay to put a question on the next ballot?

Do you believe in the right to eat butt lol? Yes or no?

That would really turn out the votes.

 

[GonzoCat90]

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I’ve had a ton of you message me about Marcy’s Law that’s on the ballot tomorrow. Let me clear it up for you.

First of all, the “Joe Burglar” post that’s going around is false. This has nothing to do with stand your ground gun laws. It is a law to protect VICTIMS and VICTIMS FAMILIES, NOT CRIMINALS.

It’s named Marcy’s Law after a girl in California who was murdered. Before it went to trial, the judge let the murderer out on bail, and Marcy’s Family was not notified that he was out. One week later Marcy’s mother was confronted by the man in a grocery store.

This law, which is put forward to us as a constitutional amendment, because we are not a proposition state, gives more rights to victims and their families.

This will allow the victim or the family of a victim to be notified when the perpetrator is released on bail, is up for parole, is freed from jail, etc. It also gives the victims and their families a stronger voice in the judicial process involving the criminal.

I am voting in favor of the amendment, because I think if a woman is raped she should know whether that rapist is in jail, or out of jail, or up for parole.

The family of a murder victim should be notified whether their relative’s killer is free or incarcerated.

A woman who’s been stalked and beaten by her ex-husband or ex-boyfriend should know where they are, and not have to live in fear of him getting out and her not knowing.

This does not remove your rights in any way. It simply strengthens the rights we afford to victims and their families.

Hope this helps! Feel free to share with your friends and relatives who are unsure about it.

I see you know Brandon too.

 

[GonzoCat90]

and how do we determine any and all other naturally grown things used to make drugs/alcohol? I mean hops is used to make beer, corn for whisky, coca for cocain, grapes for wine, heck even apples to make moonshine.

With common sense. How do we determine speed limits? How do we determine jail sentences? How do we determine anything? By ignoring people who can't do any better than a slippery slope argument.

 

[jwheat]

What a joke

This was posted on FB by a preacher FWIW


I voted no

I see you know Brandon too.

yeah he’s from Burkesville

That was the most well though out opinion on the other side that I could find

 

[GonzoCat90]

yeah he’s from Burkesville

That was the most well though out opinion on the other side that I could find

He's a good guy, just misguided politically.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

This was posted on FB by a preacher FWIW

Sad because sounds like you both agree he's a great person who is almost surely against what the law actually does. Instead rather than look at it for himself he's relying on circulated Facebook drivel.

He's not alone. Studies out there are shocking about how much we rely on headlines and social media for important information.

 

[Ukbrassowtipin]

So where is the cutoff line? I assume you are the one who determines it?

What Mash said: Heroin and cocaine have to be processed from the plants. Like marijuana concentrate.

Poppies, coca, marijuana should all absolutely be legal.

Are you really dense or purposefully obtuse?

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

I am just trying to understand what the logic is in determining what is okay and what is not. Instead of giving legit arguments you guys just call me stupid and insinuate I want to marry my dog. So just like most things on The Paddock instead of having a civil conversation with reasonable explanations you just mock, name call and act like you are far superior to anyone who disagrees or questions you.

You’re one of those guys that says, “What’s next? Can I marry my dog?” when people talk about same-sex marriage, aren’t you?

With common sense. How do we determine speed limits? How do we determine jail sentences? How do we determine anything? By ignoring people who can't do any better than a slippery slope argument.

What Mash said: Heroin and cocaine have to be processed from the plants. Like marijuana concentrate.

Poppies, coca, marijuana should all absolutely be legal.

Are you really dense or purposefully obtuse?

 

[jameslee32]

Since Joe Burglar wasn't on the ballot, I voted yes. I pretty much support victims of burglary. Surely I will burn in hell for my maleficence.

 

[Rebelfreedomeagle]

So this "vote" doesn't mean squat.

If I have enough money can I pay to put a question on the next ballot?

Do you believe in the right to eat butt lol? Yes or no?

That would really turn out the votes.

You have to jazz that wording up.
Do you respect the God given freedom of citizens to choose to eat the butts of their own opposite sex spouse?

You gotta put that hetero tip in there for the Kim Davis fans.

I'd still vote no because I think Russians would hack the vote and make it all public on WikiLeaks.

 

[cricket3]

I see you know Brandon too.

That's actually really surprising because of how over the top conservative he is.

I apparently had him hidden for years unknowingly on Facebook so I unhid him and it was less than 24 hours before I hid him again [laughing]. (And it had nothing to do with politics)