Masks at Commonwealth?

The-Hack

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where do you draw the line.

Where would I draw the line between a voluntary vaccination and Mass Murder?

I find a good bit of room between being encouraged to take a vaccine that might save my life, and being forced into a ditch and my brains blown out, or a “shower” where I am poisoned.

Your question reeks of a moral relativism that is bizarre.
 

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Where would I draw the line between a voluntary vaccination and Mass Murder?

I find a good bit of room between being encouraged to take a vaccine that might save my life, and being forced into a ditch and my brains blown out, or a “shower” where I am poisoned.

Your question reeks of a moral relativism that is bizarre.
so do your answers... to questions that were never asked!
 

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forced vax or forced mask usage compared to wearing the star of david was the comparison. when infringing on freedoms, where is the line in the sand drawn?

Yes, but listing a Republic’s responses to a deadly virus, juxtaposed with an act of the Holocaust, and literally asking “where is the line drawn,” a.k.a., expressing an opinion that there may be little difference between the two is classic moral relativism. Any person with a moral compass (whether from religious or non-religious humanistic backgrounds) would find a very significant moral gap between the two for drawing lines . . . in other words, morality (or immorality in the scale of the Holocaust) can not be reduced, twisted, altered or rendered as a false equivalent to laws requiring (1) the wearing of seatbelts, (2) the requiring polio vaccines, (3) the requiring of small pox vaccines, or (4) requiring masks and vaccines for the current disease.

If you literally don’t know where to draw the line, let me suggest that there is a wide moral gap between requiring either masks or taking vaccines as those acts are at least putatively for the preservation of life irrespective of race, and the forced-wearing of the Star of David, which was an act of open state-sponsored racial hostility leading, ultimately to the deaths of several million people, with no pretense that it helped cure any disease.

You may not agree with any of this, given the near death-grip moral relativism has upon modern society, left and right, religious and irreligious, but the proper retort to my position would be to term it “moral absolutism,” or accuse me of being “judgmental;” accusations to which I would gladly plead guilty.
 
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this is really a tiresome issue, I don't care who gets vaxed, or who wears a mask as long as I have my choice. my freedom to choose is my concern. when people start conforming to the demands of others, where do you draw the line?
really... if you are suggesting that my comparison was between wearing a mask or vax, and the holocaust. why would you even have a discussion with anyone that would make that claim. it's about Freedom!
if I wanted to be an *** about this situation, I could ask you... where is your god in this ordeal?
 

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From the post you deleted but I copied:

“forced vax or forced mask usage compared to wearing the star of david was the comparison.”

if you are suggesting that my comparison was between wearing a mask or vax, and the holocaust. why would you even have a discussion with anyone that would make that claim.

Well, you have to get quicker on the delete button.

Why am I discussing the false equivalence, or morally relativistic take of your query juxtaposing the Nazi pinning of the Star of David upon a condemned race, with the issues of masks and vaccines?

Because the maintenance of freedom in a stable republic requires some clarity of judgement and clear concept of morality.

And I am not trying to force God upon you. Many clear-thinking humanists from each of agnostic, theist and atheist backgrounds, have retained morally judgmental positions, as opposed to relativistic moral confusion.

I believe in God. But my belief in God is not the sole cause of the moral and intellectual clarity I possess and endeavor to express.
 

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and the forced-wearing of the Star of David, which was an act of open state-sponsored racial hostility leading, ultimately to the deaths of several million people,
these are your words...could the mask or vax be a replacement for the star of david?
what is that quote about learning from history and repeating it? the jews didn't expect wearing the star would be that much of a sacrifice, I expect.
 

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these are your words...could the mask or vax be a replacement for the star of david?

I have seen no indication of a racist agenda . . . or selectivity by the government or health industry toward or against a perceived minority or majority within society, regarding masks or vaccines.

The forced wearing of the Star of David, Kristalnacht, and other decrees from 1935 to 1939 in Nazi Germany were limited to a racial minority of less than 2 percent of the German population.

I’ve never read even an “apology” for the acts of the holocaust alleging that the measures were aimed at curbing disease.

So, no, I find neither the masks of 1918, nor the masks and vaccines of today to have any equivalence to the Nazification of Germany or the beginning acts of the Holocaust.
 

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From the post you deleted but I copied:

“forced vax or forced mask usage compared to wearing the star of david was the comparison.”



Well, you have to get quicker on the delete button.

Why am I discussing the false equivalence, or morally relativistic take of your query juxtaposing the Nazi pinning of the Star of David upon a condemned race, with the issues of masks and vaccines?

Because the maintenance of freedom in a stable republic requires some clarity of judgement and clear concept of morality.

And I am not trying to force God upon you. Many clear-thinking humanists from each of agnostic, theist and atheist backgrounds, have retained morally judgmental positions, as opposed to relativistic moral confusion.

I believe in God. But my belief in God is not the sole cause of the moral and intellectual clarity I possess and endeavor to express.
you keep asserting that your position comes from a higher sense of morality. you think this (moral high ground) allows you to determine how others should exist. this false sense of higher morality is obstructing you from seeing the real issue. Freedom silly boy!
 
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these are your words...

Indeed, those are words I typed on a message board in the wee hours . . . but the historical truth of the words describing the Holocaust cannot be minimized by declaring them merely “my words.”

Unfortunately, my words are a clear reflection of our world’s shared history.
 
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Indeed, those are words I typed on a message board in the wee hours . . . but the historical truth of the words describing the Holocaust cannot be minimized by declaring them merely “my words.”

Unfortunately, my words are a clear reflection of our world’s shared history.
Exactly, and if we don't protect our freedom's...history can/will be repeated.
 

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From the post you deleted but I copied:

“forced vax or forced mask usage compared to wearing the star of david was the comparison.”



Well, you have to get quicker on the delete button.

Why am I discussing the false equivalence, or morally relativistic take of your query juxtaposing the Nazi pinning of the Star of David upon a condemned race, with the issues of masks and vaccines?

Because the maintenance of freedom in a stable republic requires some clarity of judgement and clear concept of morality.

And I am not trying to force God upon you. Many clear-thinking humanists from each of agnostic, theist and atheist backgrounds, have retained morally judgmental positions, as opposed to relativistic moral confusion.

I believe in God. But my belief in God is not the sole cause of the moral and intellectual clarity I possess and endeavor to express.
I see you are now trying to limit my response time and the manner in how I respond. my idea of freedom seems a bit different than your elevated morally superior freedom.
 

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higher sense of morality. you think this (moral high ground) allows you to determine how others should exist. this false sense of higher morality is obstructing you from seeing the real issue. Freedom silly boy!

My position comes from moral clarity that allows clear judgment of right from wrong, the strongest bulwarks if the freedoms you possess.

If our ability to judge right from wrong, as a polity, becomes as clouded as you have expressed repeatedly, above, freedom in a well-governed Republic is in danger. The Weimar Republic fell, largely on the morally relativistic slope of German philosophy a.k.a. nihilism.

Defend your position. Convince me you can close the yawning gap between the opening acts of Nazification/the Holocaust and masks, vaccines.

I have argued a massive moral difference.

What similarities are you basing your opinion on?
 

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I see you are now trying to limit my response time and the manner in how I respond. my idea of freedom seems a bit different than your elevated morally superior freedom.

No. I copied a post you deleted, and replaced with, essentially an opposite thesis.

You are free: free to contradict yourself, but the effort to hide it failed.
 
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Indeed, those are words I typed on a message board in the wee hours . . . but the historical truth of the words describing the Holocaust cannot be minimized by declaring them merely “my words.”

Unfortunately, my words are a clear reflection of our world’s shared history.

Exactly, and if we don't protect our freedom's...history can/will be repeated.
not gonna argue all morning.
this should be evidence the argument is over.
 

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Which is in direct conflict with the study done before covid and its politicization.
Yeah so we'll just believe that one instead? Now I'm sure to throw both in the trash can since I know not to trust them. We all know everything is political anyways... there's no such thing as something being done before "it's politicization." That's a load of bull. Funding is king and guess where that road always leads, it doesn't matter if you're talking now or 30 years ago
 

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I think I know which “ leg” I would prefer longer . . . is there a choice??
I couldn't quote real ad disclaimers since they are too scary that some might jump to conclusions. It is amazing what they actually say in the disclaimers for these wonder medicines but we know they are consumer tested ads and the companies know they work. We have been properly conditioned. "Take this it could kill you but might relieve the symptoms of 51% of you" Yet we march right into our doctor's office and demand it.
 
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On a lighter note:

Bud: You can't come in here.
Lou: Why not?
Bud: Well because you're unvaccinated.
Lou: But I'm not sick.
Bud: It doesn't matter.
Lou: Well why does that guy get to go in?
Bud: Because he's vaccinated.
Lou: But he's sick!
Bud: It's alright. Everyone in here is vaccinated.
Lou: Wait a minute. Are you saying everyone in there is vaccinated?
Bud: Yes.
Lou: So then why can't I go in there if everyone is vaccinated?
Bud: Because you'll make them sick.
Lou: How will I make them sick if I'm not sick and they're vaccinated?
Bud: Because you're unvaccinated.
Lou: But they're vaccinated.
Bud: But they can still get sick.
Lou: So what the heck does the vaccine do?
Bud: It vaccinates.
Lou: So vaccinated people can't spread covid?
Bud: Oh no. They can spread covid just as easily as an unvaccinated person.
Lou: I don't even know what I'm saying any more. Look, I'm not sick.
Bud: OK.
Lou: And the guy you let in IS sick.
Bud: That's right.
Lou: And everybody in there can still get sick even though they're vaccinated.
Bud: Certainly.
Lou: So why can't I go in again?
Bud: Because you're unvaccinated.
Lou: I'm not asking who's vaccinated or not!
Bud: I'm just telling you how it is.
Lou: Never mind, I'll just put on my mask.
Bud: That's fine.
Lou: Now I can go in?
Bud: Absolutely not.
Lou: But I have a mask!
Bud: Doesn't matter.
Lou: I was able to come in here yesterday with a mask.
Bud: I know.
Lou: So why can't I come in here today with a mask? If you say 'because I'm unvaccinated' again I'll break your arm!
Bud: Take it easy, buddy.
Lou: So the mask is no good anymore?
Bud: No, it's still good.
Lou: But I can't come in?
Bud: Correct.
Lou: Why not?
Bud: Because you're unvaccinated.
Lou: But the mask prevents the germs from getting out.
Bud: Yes, but people can still catch your germs.
Lou: But they're all vaccinated.
Bud: Yes, but they can still get sick.
Lou: But I'm not sick!
Bud: You can still get them sick.
Lou: So the masks don't work!
Bud: Masks work quite well.
Lou: So how in the heck can I get vaccinated people sick if I'm not sick and masks work?
Bud: Third base.
 

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Got tickets for Kentucky Missouri game and you’re telling me I’m gonna have to wear a face diaper even tho I’m vaccinated? I’m getting so tired of the goal post being moved. 2 weeks to flatten the curve or get the shot and you won’t have to wear a mask…. Fauci needs to go, that guy lies more than any politician I’ve ever seen
 
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Yeah so we'll just believe that one instead? Now I'm sure to throw both in the trash can since I know not to trust them. We all know everything is political anyways... there's no such thing as something being done before "it's politicization." That's a load of bull. Funding is king and guess where that road always leads, it doesn't matter if you're talking now or 30 years ago
There was nothing in it for some person or group to gain from.
 

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I know the situation is fluid from how the numbers go currently but you would think that all the schools would be in unison with their policies to start the season a few days away now. Whatever that policy may be it should be consistent as to not provide bigger home field advantages to some schools over others
 

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“Not even up for a debate”

sCiEnCe iS sEtTlEd

You simply parrot what bureaucrats and Big Pharma-sponsored corporate media say. Doesn’t matter how many times the elite get exposed not adhering to the BS they want to impose on others, people such as yourself are there to be sheep for the appeasement of a group who doesn’t care one iota about you.
Ok Dr. Facebook
 

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Not sure why you would reference Facebook, which is Karen Central Station. And most of the Karens seem to get their information from Dr. Gates, who the MSM apparently considers to be an expert on virology and medicine.
Because the only sources you will find now that disuade the use of masks or vaccines are Facebook, YouTube, TikTok and far, far, far right wing media.
Any reputable medical professionals, the CDC, mainstream media outlets (even Fox News), etc. will tell you that masks and vaccines help mitigate the virus.
Hell even Trump said to get vaccinated at his last rally and was booed for it.
 

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That is for "fully vaccinated" only and includes the entire population, which includes ineligible children and also includes children from 12 to 17, for whom not taking the vaccine is not necessarily a sign of a lack of common sense. That portion which includes "adults with a first dose", the vast majority of whom will become fully vaccinated within a month from now, if not already, is 73%. Also, I did say ADULTS in my original response to you.
I’m not sure what you’re fishing for here, but what I found said 51% for everyone 18+. But I promise you I don’t spend more than 30 seconds a day even discussing this topic. I guess my GAF Factor is pretty low. My common sense level is extremely high though. That’s why I’m fully vaccinated and spend next to no time in threads like this.
 
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Got tickets for Kentucky Missouri game and you’re telling me I’m gonna have to wear a face diaper even tho I’m vaccinated? I’m getting so tired of the goal post being moved. 2 weeks to flatten the curve or get the shot and you won’t have to wear a mask…. Fauci needs to go, that guy lies more than any politician I’ve ever seen
Face diaper? Why are you shitting or pissing from your mouth? Seems like that’s something you need to talk with your doctor about.
 

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Has anyone heard anything definitive?

I suspect they will be voluntary, and being vaxxed, I probably won’t wear one.

Have you heard about the new covid tests for the delta variant? You going to have to be tested before the game. It's like they do in China. This is what they use:

 

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As of now, it's not going to be required in the stands. "Encouraged" everywhere else except the suites.

 

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Ray - I think they know it would be nearly impossible to enforce, and this is basically lip service. I'm fine with that. If the concourse and seating areas aren't considered crowded, then this is basically nothing. I'm good with it.
 
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I’m not sure what you’re fishing for here, but what I found said 51% for everyone 18+. But I promise you I don’t spend more than 30 seconds a day even discussing this topic. I guess my GAF Factor is pretty low. My common sense level is extremely high though. That’s why I’m fully vaccinated and spend next to no time in threads like this.
For someone who doesn't "GAF", you're quite tenacious. The front page of the CDC vaccination page clearly states that 73.1% of American adults have had a first shot.

covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-trends
 
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Has anyone heard anything definitive?

I suspect they will be voluntary, and being vaxxed, I probably won’t wear one.

By the 2nd game if not the first, they'll likely be mandatory, that's if they allow the fans at all after week one. Guarantee there will be a spike after the first game because the tests still don't differentiate between coronaviruses.

We'll be planning on needing them at the games, but we won't likely use our tickets until the Missouri game.
 
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