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It is absolutely a strawman. You're asserting your opinion (that the only justification for a restriction is if it is 100% effective) as a fact, treating it as a universal law, and then concluding that since the restriction does not meet this standard, it is evidently not justified and not legal. You have never once even attempted to justify this, you merely continue to assert it as a fact and build the entirety of your argument upon that unjustified assertion. There is neither legal nor practical justification for your assertion, and without it you have no argument. Your argument can thus be wholly rejected and we can move on from it.
 
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It is absolutely a strawman. You're asserting your opinion (that the only justification for a restriction is if it is 100% effective) as a fact, treating it as a universal law, and then concluding that since the restriction does not meet this standard, it is evidently not justified and not legal. You have never once even attempted to justify this, you merely continue to assert it as a fact and build the entirety of your argument upon that unjustified assertion. There is neither legal nor practical justification for your assertion, and without it you have no argument. Your argument can thus be wholly rejected and we can move on from it.

I just said above that mitigation as a justification is novel. I don't think any stated health justification behind vaccine for entry was ever framed in terms of mitigation. They're framed as prevention.

Obviously you have no idea what a Strawman is
 
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I just said above that mitigation as a justification is novel. I don't think any stated health justification behind vaccine for entry was ever framed in terms of mitigation. They're framed as prevention.

Obviously you have no idea what a Strawman is
Again, unless you can provide legal or practical justification for 100% effective prevention as the only valid reason for a prevention measure, we have shown your argument to be without merit and can move on from it.
 
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Its pretty simple, everyone everywhere in time will require getting vaccinated to enter etc. Dont get the vaccine and you will be left behind and home. The vaccine isn’t perfect but it’s all we have at the moment. It’s no accident last Flu season was none existent because of the emphasis with masks, social distancing and hand sanitizer.
 
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My last post in this thread as I already let it take up too much of my day:

If there is such major concern over public health, there should be zero alcohol allowed during tailgating, nothing but salad and water at the concessions, glucose tests required to check blood sugar, bmi mandates, and people should have to jog the concourse at least once to get in cardio.

If we're going this far in the name of public health, let's go all the way and make a real difference. Let's end the drain of diabetes and obesity on our state and local health resources.

We're all in this together! #teamkentucky
 

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Just announced today in Louisville 75% were unvaccinated. Doesn't matter, it's a non sequitur. Vaccines for admission is only justified if the vaccine prevents the spread. It doesn't. The end.

Is there a vaccine for creating multiple catpaw accounts?
"The latest state data showed unvaccinated or only partially vaccinated Kentuckians accounted for 91% of all hospitalizations between March 1 and Aug. 5, while vaccinated people accounted for about 9%."
 

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Its pretty simple, everyone everywhere in time will require getting vaccinated to enter etc. Dont get the vaccine and you will be left behind and home. The vaccine isn’t perfect but it’s all we have at the moment. It’s no accident last Flu season was no existent because of the emphasis with masks, social distancing and hand sanitizer.
The vaccine is not all we have. We're 18 months into this and heaven forbid people take some personal responsibility and eat quality food, exercise, and take vitamins.

It may be one of those so called conspiracy theories but doing those three things will GREATLY improve your chances against most disease's and will allow you to not even worry about some of the most deadly (looking at you diabetes and heart disease).

Take the vaccine if you choose (I did) but it doesn't magically make you healthy or allow you to stand on some moral high ground.
 
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I don't doubt that for a second. Absent legal intervention, this is all but certain. We'll see who if anyone wants to commit career suicide

I'm fine with not going, if this is their position. I don't sacrifice my rights, my principles, nor my physical condition just so I can go watch a football game.
So much for that Big Blue Insanity.
 
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Here's the difference. My mask and vaccination improves the odds of not killing someone or making them sick.
Your position increases the odds of killing someone or making them sick.
But logic never seems to register with most Spread-necks unfortunately.
Actually it doesn't. Vaccinated people can still get it and still spread it. Where have you been? Surely you must have missed that information.

And yes, I am the reason people are getting sick. Lol. Get out of here with your self righteous crap. The reason people are getting sick is because of a virus that no one has a cure for.
 
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Once again, there are arbitrary rules the government has made for the “greater good”. It’s ridiculous to think freedom is at stake in this vaccine situation. It isn’t the slippery slope that plunges the nation on a path of repeating Nazi Germany. Once again, the government tells you in thousands of incidences what you can and can’t do already.
In no way do any of those examples have anything to do with what you out IN your body.
And I have had it already. So my immunity or tolerance or whatever you want to point to is stronger than any vaccine can give me.
 

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Its pretty simple, everyone everywhere in time will require getting vaccinated to enter etc. Dont get the vaccine and you will be left behind and home. The vaccine isn’t perfect but it’s all we have at the moment. It’s no accident last Flu season was none existent because of the emphasis with masks, social distancing and hand sanitizer.
Last flu season was non existent because everything was covid. Died in a motorcycle wreck? Covid. How many had just the "normal" flu and they were told they had covid. It's stuff like that that inquiring minds want to know about.
 

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In no way do any of those examples have anything to do with what you out IN your body.
And I have had it already. So my immunity or tolerance or whatever you want to point to is stronger than any vaccine can give me.
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this is really a tiresome issue, I don't care who gets vaxed, or who wears a mask as long as I have my choice. my freedom to choose is my concern. when people start conforming to the demands of others, where do you draw the line?
really... if you are suggesting that my comparison was between wearing a mask or vax, and the holocaust. why would you even have a discussion with anyone that would make that claim. it's about Freedom!
if I wanted to be an *** about this situation, I could ask you... where is your god in this ordeal?
Masks aren't for your protection. They are everyone else's. Your myopia can harm others. You can do better.
 
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Last flu season was non existent because everything was covid. Died in a motorcycle wreck? Covid. How many had just the "normal" flu and they were told they had covid. It's stuff like that that inquiring minds want to know about.

We actually run tests for flu, we do it every year and this past winter was no different than any other year. Look at the same week in 2020 as in 2021, and you'll see that this past winter we'd had only 1,617 tests from clinical labs come back positive for flu, compared to 222,552 the prior winter. We didn't just "call the flu covid," the flu really did go away almost entirely.
 

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We actually run tests for flu, we do it every year and this past winter was no different than any other year. Look at the same week in 2020 as in 2021, and you'll see that this past winter we'd had only 1,617 tests from clinical labs come back positive for flu, compared to 222,552 the prior winter. We didn't just "call the flu covid," the flu really did go away almost entirely.
So the flu is over folks. No need to ever worry about it again.
 
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If UK goes the route of LSU, which it probably will, then I am just going to eat my tickets and not resell them. Only have tix to the Mizzou game but after the ticketmaster fees and such, those two tickets weren't cheap.
 

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If UK goes the route of LSU, which it probably will, then I am just going to eat my tickets and not resell them. Only have tix to the Mizzou game but after the ticketmaster fees and such, those two tickets weren't cheap.
If you choose not to go, you might donate them to a charity like Big Brothers … just a thought, as I’m sure there are kids who would love to go.

Having said that, I hope you get to use your tickets and enjoy the game.
 

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Actually it doesn't. Vaccinated people can still get it and still spread it. Where have you been? Surely you must have missed that information.

And yes, I am the reason people are getting sick. Lol. Get out of here with your self righteous crap. The reason people are getting sick is because of a virus that no one has a cure for.
You are correct. It is absolutely possible for vaccinated people to get and spread Covid. But it is also true that vaccinated people are LESS LIKELY to get it and LESS LIKELY to spread it and LESS LIKELY to be hospitalized.
It is also a fact that the MORE the virus spreads, the MORE it will mutate and the MORE LIKELY it will become a virus that is MORE dangerous.
You're argument against masks and vaccinations is like saying that because you know a person who was thrown thru a windshield that was not wearing a seatbelt and survived, seatbelts don't work and aren't a valuable tool in preventing deaths from car accidents.
Or more appropriately, drunk driving should be allowed because not being able to drink and drive infringes on your free-dumb and you know a lot of people that drink and drive that have been in wrecks and are just fine.
But ultimately, the Chinese knew the way spreadnecks think and knew that when they unleashed this virus about 25-30 percent of the population would keep spreading it around like they do and refuse to vax or mask up creating never ending chaos in our society. This may have been their plan from the start.
 

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By referencing Trump rallies, you kind of only added to his point, and probably didn't even realize it. And, yes, of course, those rallies were called super spreader events, over and over.
I guess I don't get how Trump is common folk and not an elitist? I mean he supposedly has hundreds of millions of dollars, Properties named after him, POTUS for 1 term. How much more elite can you get?
 

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It's amazing people are pushing for masks at games like it's some sort of safety issue while 100,000 partied at Lollapalooza, literally climbing on top of each other, and nobody said a word.

How some are so eager to comply while watching others disregard, particularly the ones who institute the mandates, baffles me.
I do not care, not even 1 bit if Lollapalooza shuts down. I am concerned about what happens at Commonwealth Stadium though. Does that make sense?
 

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Over 90 percent of those with Covid in the hospitals are unvaccinated. Not a talking point...it's a fact.
The unvaccinated are easy vectors for spread and are a huge burden on our medical care system right now. Fact.
That’s a lie keep believing the media 🐑🐑
 

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I guess I don't get how Trump is common folk and not an elitist? I mean he supposedly has hundreds of millions of dollars, Properties named after him, POTUS for 1 term. How much more elite can you get?
Trump was not the only person at a Trump rally. Do you think that media considers the typical person there to be "elite". The media looks at those people with contempt, and that's why the rallies were super spreader events, while the Floyd riots, the Lewis funeral, and the Pelosi parties were not.
 

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My wife’s mother works at a hospital and says it’s 50% vaxxed 50% unvaxxed and my buddy just got out of a different hospital and the doctor told him it’s 75% vaxxed in that hospital so do you believe the media or the people that actually are in these hospitals
 
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Trump was not the only person at a Trump rally. Do you think that media considers the typical person there to be "elite". The media looks at those people with contempt, and that's why the rallies were super spreader events, while the Floyd riots, the Lewis funeral, and the Pelosi parties were not.
It was for all intents and purposes or all intent purposes Trump's Rally!
 

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Old saying you can lead a horse to water but can’t make them drink. 29 times more likely to need hospitalization without the vaccine.
But, if you are under 80, it's about a 1% chance, in the first place, even without the vaccine. I guess 1/29th of 1% is better than 1%, but still.

Did you know that over 40% of surveyed Democrats estimated a greater than 50% chance of hospitalization for anyone who catches the virus? The Republicans were only marginally less stupid; about 25% guessed that it was that high. The actual chance is about 3%.
 

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If UK says you have to be vaxxed I will ask for my money back on my season tickets they will lose a lot of money with a half full Kroger Field can UK withstand that after last year
I'll bet that they won't give you a refund. I'd take it to court, if they don't.
 

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My FIL sustained a significant chest injury (9 broken ribs, collapsed lung, bleeding in pleural space) in a cycling accident 6 weeks ago. In hospital 11 days. He’s having complications with drainage and his pulmonologist wants him back in the hospital for treatment, but as of last Friday there were no beds in an 8 county radius (Charlotte NC). Do you know why there are no beds? I know it’s just one example, but that’s why it matters and why I care.
I will update that he did get in yesterday
 

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Old saying you can lead a horse to water but can’t make them drink. 29 times more likely to need hospitalization without the vaccine.
That's not exactly accurate as there is no data that determines the number for natural immunity.
 

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My wife’s mother works at a hospital and says it’s 50% vaxxed 50% unvaxxed and my buddy just got out of a different hospital and the doctor told him it’s 75% vaxxed in that hospital so do you believe the media or the people that actually are in these hospitals
What are these 2 hospitals and where are they located? I would like to try to research these claims. Thanks, in advance.
 

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