Too complex is subjective. Only in our minds are we complex. Any explanation is just as possible as the next. We don't know.?The creation story in the bible, to me, is just as ridiculous as rising up out of a pool of slime is to you.
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You're welcome. btw, it's "canon". For Christian biblical canon you might find the following information useful:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon
Was or is? That seems to be your disturbance, yes? And to whom this law? You seem to insist to Christians although Christians would not exist for at least a millennium more from the time those stoning laws were believed given to the Hebrew people following their exodus from Egypt, during the infancy of post-Passover Judaism.
These are true statements:
Christianity accepts the Old Testament as divine and authoritative. Meaning: it happened by god and under the authority of god.
Take creation then, the stories of Genesis. How is it taught by Christianity?
That it happened (past tense) under the divine authority of god.
Take then the exodus from Egypt. How is it taught by Christianity?
That it happened (past tense) under the divine authority of god.
Take then the laws of Deuteronomy. How is it taught by Christianity?
That it happened (past tense) under the divine authority of god.
All of the requirements for being Christian are included in the New Testament. That part of "biblical canon" which provides for Christianity the New Covenant between god and man.
One might refuse to accept the meaning of new covenant, one might refuse to accept the reality that new covenant Christians began in with a populous with NO CONNECTION to Judaism (these were called gentiles), one might refuse to accept the separation of these things solely for the purpose that he has an agenda or a bitterness against the religion. Then again, some people just do no possess an acumen for understanding matters which are really not all that complicated. I had a discussion the other day about 93 octane with an individual who just did not have the ability to understand the difference between explosion and compression. I think this describes who you are, an individual who just does not have the ability to make distinctions between fundamentally different matters.
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Awesome, I misspelled a word (auto correct on iPhone, so learn basic logic kid- ad hominem)
You're an idiot if you think the Old Testament doesn't apply. Also, Jesus was Jewish. The ten commandments? Yeah, you make a dumbass argument.
Look guy, my undergrad is in history, specifically, religious history and philosophy. I have posted about this subject for years on the paddock, and I am not going to go in to a diatribe about the distinctions that you fail to make. Not only that, if you read a few posts above I said:
Which is the same thing you are saying. Second, I go to church every Sunday, so get pumped. That being said, I know my Bible. I know about from the J source (YHWH) to the E source (Elohim) to the Deuteronmist, and the Priestly writers all the way to the Q source. I know the history of the Council of Nicaea, to the septauagint, to the acedemy of Jamnia, to the marconian bible. I have a senior thesis on John of Patmos. I have studied Anslem's ontological argument to Aquinas, to Luther, to Kant, to Lewis.
So your not going to win a scholarly argument with me.
Get better at this kid.
You are very hostile for such education and weekly spiritual influence. Interesting. How has this opus kept you employed? And with this prowess why then the purposeful disconnect of new covenant significance? Also, I'm not trying to win anything. This is an anonymous forum. So don't fool yourself.
ad hominem. the board isnt as anonymous as you believe. Just depends on the layers you will use to protect oneself and their anonymity. Also, you have misread me. But I dont really care if you read me correctly or not, in the long run.
Best part of the paddock, is that it is a discussion board. We are merely discussing ideas. We all like to do this.
JEDP. Mysterious crew.
Q Source. Even more mysterious.
Ooooooh. Impressive credentials. We'll shut up now. "(So your not going to win a scholarly argument with me.") If you are going to proclaim yourself the smartest guy in the room, preview your posts so that you catch things like using "your" for "you're." Just sayin'.
I also go to church every Sunday and I've come away from it believing that Jesus wouldn't call people who disagreed with him dumb asses or idiots or tell people to "get pumped." And that He doesn't want me to either.
You are wrong on both counts, no surprise there. It's obvious you don't have an original thought on the subject beyond regurgitating something from some middlebrow atheist website you have bookmarked, instead of doing your own research and speaking from a position of authority. Basically, you are not knowledgeable enough on this subject to reason with those of us who are, it's too bad you lack the self-awareness to realize this.
I'm sure you'll want to defend yourself. Please don't, at least in this thread. I'm not inclined to waste my time and derail the thread further by striking down the intellect deficient wiffle balls you are tossing over the plate.
Otherwise you go on ignore.
If we fear someone learning who we are we are probably butthole posters who fear someone tracking us down and kicking our butt. I'm not going to post my identity but if someone wished to dig it up, it wouldn't bother me.
Merely discussing, ideas . . . indeed. I think I'm reading you perfectly at present. You have a position, you have a sub-luminary basis for holding that position, and you are not going to explain what you know other than to demand your own authority for knowing it. much like any god does. tell me, is it you that goes to church each Sunday or does church come to you?
Same. I have hung out with a few people from here. So its OK. If someone wants to attack me, that is on them, its a message board. Dont get so upset over message board posts.
Once again, misspelling a word doesnt take away from my argument. That is ignoring the argument I make, by focusing on a non-important aspect.
You are still a dumbass. And if you are trying to call me a hypocrite, that was the very thing that I was pointing out to you. You dont get to take the good and not the bad. They come together. I proved you wrong above, and now you are attacking my character since you cannot defend your own dumbassery.
From your knowledge exhibited above, it tells me that you go to church just to say you go and not to actually be a good person and one with God, which is one of the worst offenses. You reek of being there to be seen and not to learn; of falseness and pretentiousness. I would say Jesus would say this to you:
"I hate,I despise your religious festivals;your assemblies are a stench to me. Even though you bring me burnt offerings and grain offerings,I will not accept them.Though you bring choice fellowship offerings,I will have no regard for them. Away with the noise of your songs!I will not listen to the music of your harps.But let justice roll on like a river,righteousness like a never-failing stream!"
No, I have posted heavily on this subject for years on the Paddock, even had a bunch of people thank me for the posts. I just really dont want to explain it to you. I find you to be a very insipid person, not capable of much original thought. Just like in the posts above, where I said the same thing you said, yet you tried to argue with me. You are just droll and vapid.
The comparison to the person who couldn't understand 93 octane was too much for you then? Other than that, all my input about Christianity were purely a non-argumentative, discussion narrative.
Yeah, my bad, its a weakness. Ill see myself out. Its a shame, because I have been reading some of these posts and its been making me change how I feel about Islam.
vapid - not stimulating or challenging
Very humbly I will assert that I stimulated the ish out of you today.
1. Misspelling a word doesn't take away from your argument. The incomprehensible things you said making your argument took away from it. I know you know the difference between "your" and "you're." But when you proclaim that you are the smartest guy in the room, you ought not miss little things like that.
2. Nobody who resorts to name calling wins any argument. They are like kids throwing a tantrum.
3 I still don't know what I said in the stoning bit that got you so riled up. I did not even know I was in an argument that I apparently lost.
1. Didn't say I was smartest guy, said I am educated in religious studies. Doesn't mean I'm good at anything else. You should look up ad hominem.
2. No, I win arguments with facts, all while insulting you.
3. In previous statement you acknowledge you're in an argument, yet then deny. It's that type of stupidity that I am pointing out when I see you make dumbass claims that are not true. Same thing with your dumbass statement about stoning and the OT. But I get it, you go to church for show and not for spirit. You grew up in a world where education wasn't important and you're too old now to be educated. When you make dumbass statements, you don't get challenged by others, because they just assume your old.
No one is riled up, I'm pretty emotionless about this. I don't take message boards seriously, that's your generation.
It's my fault, I've had you on ignore for years. Took every one off. My mistake. I'll see myself out. Last time.
1 You ARE riled up. "I don't take message boards seriously." Hah.
2 Bet you don't put me on ignore. You may not react (not likely) but you'll still read my posts just to see what "dumbassery" I've posted.
3. Don't get challenged by others? Hah. I don't mind at all going back and forth with most posters on here. I don't get mad, don't call people names (I can't resist "egghead" at times though) and even learn from some of them.
4 I readily acknowledge being old. I consider myself fortunate. Hope you get the privilege of getting to be old. But, I warn you, the young guys are not going to be saying: "That LEK may be old but he is a really smart and cool guy." You'll just be "LEK, that old geezer who lost touch many years ago." It comes for all of us who make it into old age.
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TV show idea. Resume Smackdown. "Two CVs enter, one CV leaves." Hosted by Vince Vaughn. Sponsored by the Harvard University Endowment/Landgrab Fund.
I regret this discussion went off the rails. Much of that is my responsibility. Too often I inject random punches in the middle of legit discussions. Thought there was an open door for a little jab and cross, after having read several posts with clear insults between other posters. Seriously doubt there is another poster more suited to shift unaffected between the serious and the cynical more than myself. It is just bad wrong of me to expect the same of all others.
This thread began because of yet another occurrence of terrorism on our planet. In the almost 20 pages since much has been discussed in the process of trying to understand things about the people who did this, about ourselves, and hopefully for the purpose so that each of us may improve some understanding of something . . . anything. This is beauty - human interaction. Something I need to thank each of you for, particularly LEK.
I am not bothered by anything written on this board but I am terribly frightened by this world. I think each of us has a responsibility to continue to exchange with one another in these times, banter often as we may, as within the pages of threads should each of us provide something useful for the other - often bitter - often not.
This thread began because of yet another occurrence of terrorism on our planet. In the almost 20 pages since much has been discussed in the process of trying to understand things about the people who did this, about ourselves, and hopefully for the purpose so that each of us may improve some understanding of something . . . anything. This is beauty - human interaction. Something I need to thank each of you for, particularly LEK.
I am not bothered by anything written on this board but I am terribly frightened by this world. I think each of us has a responsibility to continue to exchange with one another in these times, banter often as we may, as within the pages of threads should each of us provide something useful for the other - often bitter - often not.
I was actually enjoying it as well trying to figure out who could kick who's butt. Well, maybe not figuring it out as much as I was visualizing the event.
It would be a crime to kick my butt. And I'm just too old and feeble to kick anybody else's butt.
visually impaired with my right eye so anybody with decent left hook is gonna give me some real problems. for your consideration.
No need yo go to atheist websites when it is right there in the text
And any credible Doctor of Religious studies will tell you the rest so cover your ears and go "blah blah blah I'm not listening" all you want but I didn't say anything that wasn't true.