IMO, yes, it is. There's huge money being made with player NIL as the product. The court's NIL decision was correct.
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Agree
Though he didn’t have the greatest season, Gavin got an NIL deal
So did Ace
Dylan will as well
Ain’t it grand that coaches can make 10 million a year, but paying the kids who make the coaches money is frowned upon?
This is at a G5 schools but I don't think it's much different at many P5 schools as well. Just like other fundraising, it's often the big boosters who carry the load be it for coaching contracts, facilities etc..
I believe you’ll see more of this, especially with some of the smaller schools, as I simply do not have the funds, fans, and donors to compete
Conversely, a school like SMU was dead in the water Once they got on the death penalty, hadn’t been relevant for 30 years, and would still be irrelevant for the rest of our lives if not for NIL
Yep. This idea that CFB players should be grateful for having a scholarship is ridiculous.
Do we ask CEO's be grateful they have a job and medical benefits and forgo their huge salaries? Do we ask actors be grateful they were chosen to star in a movie and forgo all the money that comes with it?
This country operates on capitalism and the American dream is to be able to achieve success through hard work and talent. Why should CFB players be constrained from achieving that dream while others are not?
Of course such a policy is unconstitutional. It's totally un-American.
While there's no doubt that the NIL decision has disrupted the system, that's too bad. The system will have to adapt. And it will.
When everybody’s getting $ except the people actually busting their asses, things will inevitably, and have begun to, change
Maybe I’m wrong but I read this
There are some teams that have $6-million, $7-million players playing for them."
As teams have more than one. Which means it’s not just QB’s. And if some teams have multiple guys making that then I have a hard time believing it just drops to guys making 20k from there
But wouldn’t. You argue that an all American leading tackler for Clemson is worth more than 3rd round money in that scenario.
No problem with the spirit of NIL but what’s happening is not that. It was supposed to a deal with the local burger joint, maybe a car to drive, % of jersey sales. Wasn’t supposed to be 2 million from a virtual wallet app that gets nothing in return.
He could be.
Problem is the economics of college football NIL are intentionally opaque. I wouldn’t doubt there are instances where players are making more than 3rd rounders, but it’s hard to know where that happens.
Ohio State, Texas etc are at the top of the food chain and can pay whatever they want to whomever they want.
After that tier of program, it’s hazy as to who can pay what. I feel like Miami will pay up to $1M for a player. But that’s third hand info, so really not sure.
Yet Ryan day says they have no money. Which o don’t believe but I also don’t believe Matt Rhule.
The intent and actuality of the situation are two different things.
Paying kids (and parents, handlers, coaches, etc.) large sums of money has been going on for years and was showing no signs of slowing down.
It was inevitable NIL was going to come - my gripe with it is it's not regulated in anyway. NCAA once again asleep at the wheel, not petitioning congress or some other body of govt. from assisting before things get out of hand.
It's not good for the game what's currently happening; but with some oversight, it could, and should, get fixed rather quickly.
You guys supporting NIL are wrong.
It is the wild west right now. Pro leagues have rules.. controls.. to promote competition for teh benefit of the sport. If you think the old scholarship system was unconstitutional then so is the NFL draft and schedules for payments based on draft position, salary caps, luxury taxes.
The rules regarding not paying players was for the benefit of the sport.. for competition. So was scholarship limits.. total and yearly.
Sure.. this will benefit the players that get paid the most. It will harm the vast majority of players who will play for teams that cannot afford to compete with teh big names. It will harm their chances of ever playing on a championship team. It will harm them for having to play against teams with overstocked talent. It may even physically harm them with an OL, stocked with giant million-dollar athletes, pile-push directly over them.
The Ivy League now has paid athletes.
No athletic scholarships.. but NIL-paid athletes are fine. (well, I always called their no-athletic scholarships BS and now NIL proves that correct).
When competition finishes skewing towards the powers with all the money.. when SMU-oil-money becomes a power again.. it will be clear that this is not for the benefit of the athletes.. it is for the benefit of TV networks and advertisers and for teh benefit of those programs who already have the name and money advantage. Things in terms of competition and parity were becoming too fair for them. This skews that again.
It is the wild west right now. Pro leagues have rules.. controls.. to promote competition for teh benefit of the sport. If you think the old scholarship system was unconstitutional then so is the NFL draft and schedules for payments based on draft position, salary caps, luxury taxes.
The rules regarding not paying players was for the benefit of the sport.. for competition. So was scholarship limits.. total and yearly.
Sure.. this will benefit the players that get paid the most. It will harm the vast majority of players who will play for teams that cannot afford to compete with teh big names. It will harm their chances of ever playing on a championship team. It will harm them for having to play against teams with overstocked talent. It may even physically harm them with an OL, stocked with giant million-dollar athletes, pile-push directly over them.
The Ivy League now has paid athletes.
No athletic scholarships.. but NIL-paid athletes are fine. (well, I always called their no-athletic scholarships BS and now NIL proves that correct).
When competition finishes skewing towards the powers with all the money.. when SMU-oil-money becomes a power again.. it will be clear that this is not for the benefit of the athletes.. it is for the benefit of TV networks and advertisers and for teh benefit of those programs who already have the name and money advantage. Things in terms of competition and parity were becoming too fair for them. This skews that again.
They're already working on it
Helps that Tubberville used to coach in college and knows about paying kids under the table
Right or wrong, it's what the big dogs are doing
Most, if not all, have robust NIL programs
They're not going to wait around for regulation
They want to win, win big, and win now
The attitude of "let's wait until things get cleared up before we commit to thing" won't get us anywhere
Frankly, it's an excuse to kick the can down the road even further in regard to funding NIL
I know they are working on it I also know they can’t fix it. What have they “fixed” in the last 20 years? I mean come to think about it this might be great. I have 2 daughters playing D1 sports. I look forward to inclusion and equity being part of any congressional fix. Equal money for men’s and women’s NIL collectives.
I wonder at what point does it make sense for a coach to fill a couple key roster spots with a big donation from their own paycheck? Is this legal? if Schiano were to buy his way into getting a top QB?
Since their success can be tied to a few key recruits, why wouldn't they make the investment?
Since their success can be tied to a few key recruits, why wouldn't they make the investment?
Why can't they fix it?
NIL has been legal for 5 minutes, not 20 years
Additionally, why would NIL be the same for men's and women's sports?
It's a free market enterprise, based largely on the popularity of sports (football >>> rowing) and the ROI per player (Quarterback >>> walk on point guard)
You think they're going to Title 9 NIL ?
I’ve said this a few times. A million dollar QB this year would have gotten schiano a 16 million dollar extension
Nebraska’s NIL collective is kept very quiet for how much money they have/spend. I know when they first combined 2 different NIL groups into one they said they had a little over $13mil in it. They were told(no clue who by) that they would like to see a $15mil annual budget for NU’s sports. NU was told that can happen.
Since that time one donor has basically said he would do the NIL for the volleyball program and donated $5mil for a 5 years stretch to use and they would address things after that if needed more.
While people always talk about the football and basketball players making big money(a select few) in the NIL, at NU the volleyball girls are the highest paid athletes on campus. With cash, gifts and endorsements there are 5 or 6 getting over $1mil.
Since that time one donor has basically said he would do the NIL for the volleyball program and donated $5mil for a 5 years stretch to use and they would address things after that if needed more.
While people always talk about the football and basketball players making big money(a select few) in the NIL, at NU the volleyball girls are the highest paid athletes on campus. With cash, gifts and endorsements there are 5 or 6 getting over $1mil.
Do you support donations directly to the Rutgers Athletic Department?
Do you support the Big Ten schools getting tens of millions in conference revenue while other programs get minimal money?
That makes you wrong.
Substitute "NIL" with "athletic department donations" and "players" with "programs".
Or substitute "NIL" for "media and conference payouts".
Everything you wrote was a problem before NIL and will still be a problem after NIL.
Yes pro leagues have rules. All teams revenue share.
Should the Big Ten and SEC share money with the ACC, MWC, Big East, AAC?
Is it fair for Temple to play against Rutgers when Rutgers gets tens of millions more to spend on training and facilities?
Still waiting for the first person to say "Ban NIL for equality! Then pool conference revenue for eqaulity!"
To use your own words:
"Sure, it benefits the programs that get paid the most. It will harm the vast majority of programs.....who cannot afford to compete with the big names. It will harm their chances of ever playing for a championship. It will harm them for having to play against teams with overstocked talent. It may even physically harm then....."
A simple improvement to the current situation would be transparency. Make all NCAA athletes declare their NIL income and report it publicly. Or at a minimum, make public the totals by sport and school. If the athletes need to pay taxes on the income, the numbers exist. The ability to "keep it quiet" or speculating about how much different players get is part of the problem. The "market" will regulate itself if these numbers are known.
Why wouldn’t they? Hell they might make you set up a separate fund for trans athletes. None of these people care about what’s best for the athletes or schools. It will be what’s best for their interest groups.
I hear that, but the difference is these are either individual people donating or businesses, who want their specific donation to go to a certain team/ athlete
If I donated $100 and $50 had to go to gymnastics, I simply wouldn't donate
I'd want my donations to go where they're intended to go
Can you donate to Rutgers scholarship fund and earmark it only for a specific sport or is it one big pot?
Not sure, but I would imagine so (like a coaches club where you can donate to one specific team vs. unrestricted where it's one big pot and the athletic dept. decides where it goes)
I can see legislation dictating title ix only because it would be the most absurd thing that could come out of this entire mess. And the opposite of what would be needed. Considering some of the largest paydays in the NIL age have been female athletes.
How about we let it implode on itself and destroy and currupt itself like lawyers and politicians have done to every other institution in America
NIL = Now it's legal
It's been going on forever
Guys have been getting paid since before I was born
And they'll continue getting paid long after I'm gone
The NCAA has been kicking this can down the road for decades. This is the result.
No argument here
It was inevitably going to happen
The NCAA, with it's usual do-nothing attitude and greed, has allowed it to manifest itself into something unregulated and not healthy for the game
RU does not have that kind of money, heck , most universities don’t. Those that do could bE KING in CFB
The NCAA had rules. The Supreme Court (in its infinite wisdom) invalidated them. That's not the NCAA's fault or responsibility. If Congress wants to fix it, it can. It won't (for political and ideological reasons). The kids that will suffer (loss of scholarships, loss of opportunity to attend school) won't get a second thought from the Supreme Court or the Congress (or the 200 kids collecting large NIL $).
Again ... not the NCAA's fault.
This is the same NCAA that gave SMU the death penalty, but didn’t punish psu for years institutional child rape
No punishment for MSU for Nasser
None for Cuse w Bernie Fine
Yet They Gave OSU penalties bc players sold merch for tattoos
And Didn’t do a damn thing when UNC was having fake classes and fake degrees
Also hasn’t given FSU their wins back for Self reporting a handful of guys for cheating in an online music class
Nothing these scumbags do, or don’t do, surprises me