McDonald's All-American game tonight at 7 E.S.T. on ESPN.
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Could be but I didn't direct my post at anyone and I get the impression you thought I was directing my post at you and I wasn't
I don't think any of Luke, Grayson, Frank, or Duval should be all that worried about minutes next year. Duke regularly plays three guards. That's 120 minutes to split four ways - 30 minutes a guy. 30 minutes a game is plenty to feel comfortable on the court and to show your skills. I know K will run with a starter for 36-38 min a game if he thinks he needs to, but still. There are minutes available for all four if all four are at Duke next year.
As to JWill's comments, he initially said something about Luke and Grayson coming back next year but I think in his next sentence he modified that to "if" they come back. I don't think he was disclosing any inside info (nor do I think he has any inside info).
As to JWill's comments, he initially said something about Luke and Grayson coming back next year but I think in his next sentence he modified that to "if" they come back. I don't think he was disclosing any inside info (nor do I think he has any inside info).
Not understanding how we could be in good shape for Bamba. It must mean that Bolden might be leaving. Only thing I can think of.
Good lol I really enjoy the post from everyone. So in your opinion Timo, what could you see best case scenario coming from the McDonald's game?
I really think Carter and Trent were in Duval and Knox ear, but I also think from the look of all for they were doing some talking with Bamba
I mean best case is we get all of them- Knox and bamba included. The Bamba thing to me is very interesting- obviously if Bolden leaves as it seems is likely, then Bamba will have all of the minutes he can handle. Having said that, we both know selling him after this season will be much harder. I can't help but think though Carter in his ear saying you're playing next to me all season, knowing how well they play together AND with a PG that can get them the ball has to be a huge selling point.
O'Connell ain't playing lol and no I don't agree that some1 is leaving because Duvals coming ..I do agree that idk who's coming or going but I can tell u Duval has nothing to do with their decision ..Grayson would be just fine coming off the bench as he did at the end of the year and people were praising that decision...so what's the difference next year? Was he unhappy this year? Lol
I couldn't help but get pumped up watching Duval, Knox and Carter on the floor together closing out the game. All three are going to be special, but I reeeeeeeeeeally want Knox after watching him last night. Hadn't really seen him much prior to that.
Already started jumping to conclusions on who's getting the minutes lmao ..guilty too.last year shoulda been a wake up .. already forgotten 
Checked in on the McDs thread at Rafters and a few are saying it looks like Carter won't be much of a player. Loll.
Knox I won't be confident on until he commits. For a long period of time it was believed that we weren't getting him. There was a radical change in that belief a couple weeks back. To me that seems as if he's vulnerable in his decision and it won't be over until it's done deal. Just as easily as it swung back to Duke it could swing back elsewhere.
I'm nervous if we get too much talent because of the short rotation. Eventually it will catch up to us and people, mostly bigs, will stop coming. The best thing that can happen is we lose Grayson and Luke. Then we can play a traditional lineup. Tired of the small ball. It worked with Justice because he's a big man trapped in a 6'6 body. Let's get these traditional lineups back out there and play inside out. Be multiple in the offensive attack. I think it's time for us to pack it in on defense until he gets guards that can actually guard.
The one play that was most impressive to me last night regarding Carter (most of it is crap based on no defense and all star game feel) is the hook shot over the shoulder with the left hand. It was no layup it was a legitimate big man move where he turned to his weak side and put it up and in with the left. Not too many high school big men with that type of skill.
I say that because Luke needs to go while he's hot and Grayson doesn't need to come back UNLESS he's willing to come off the bench. Too much perimeter depth make coach K small ball crazy and it just doesn't work for Duke. When you go small you need to have guards that can actually defend. Those two can't. Duval, Jackson, Trent, Knox, Jack White, Carter, Javin and Bolden/Bamba. That's a great mix of players. The 8 man rotation.
Respectfully, I totally disagree with this.
Definitely a talented 8-man rotation on paper, but you're disregarding the leadership and experience Luke and Grayson bring. Not to mention their All-American caliber talent. I'll take a junior Luke and senior Grayson over an unproven freshman any day of the week.
I wouldn't take either of them over Duval. If it came down to choosing between one of them and Duval, I'll take Duval every day. Duke need a POINT GUARD. Frank Jackson is not it. He's a scorer. I think Frank could actually be better all around player than Grayson and Luke by next year. Gary Trent is a scorer as well. My point is with Luke and Grayson back the defense takes a hit. Duke will always be able to score but defense is the thing. They are awful on defense.
Wow what have you done for me lately am I right!?
I agree with you on the defensive part but man, Grayson was an all American last year and Luke was this year. I don't expect luke back and not sure what Grayson does but to say we'd be better off or would rather they not be here is incredible to me. Especially when you're naming guys that haven't played hardly at all in Javin and White. I hope Javin is a huge part of our game plan next year, but one in the hand is worth more than two in the bush.
I'm just enjoying all the posters here acting like he's an after thought. He's not.
I'll take Allen back all day over anyone coming in on the roster.
To me a proven guard at the college level that can attack can only help Duval do his thing. Now put Jackson and Allen out there to spread the court with Carter and one else in the front court and Duval has all kind of options.
To me a proven guard at the college level that can attack can only help Duval do his thing. Now put Jackson and Allen out there to spread the court with Carter and one else in the front court and Duval has all kind of options.
Both played great these last two years but their times might just be up. I say this because if they come back the team will be guard dominant again and that has hurt the team especially when the two main guards can't guard anyone. Plus Coach K is still trying to guard people tough on the perimeter with non perimeter defenders. It makes no sense to me. Time for a new defensive minded crew. Coach K wouldn't have recruited White and Javin if he thought they couldn't contribute. Only person I question Coach K about is Josh Hairston. Worst scholarship Duke player probably ever.
Yet Hairston got a championship ring and his degree. You must not have read his comments at his senior banquet.
To me Allen coming back allows for Trent and Duval along with Jackson to play good defense and still allows for instant offense.
People in the McDs thread at RR were initially talking about how bad Quade Green looked. By the end of it they were raving about what a star he is gonna be for them. Said him and Sexton were obviously the best guards. No mention of Duval of course. Haaaa. Be afraid, kitty cats, be very afraid....
Many WALK-ONS have gotten a ring and degree. What does that mean? He still was the worst scholarship player ever. He never got a ring BTW so idk where you got that from. I don't think Grayson will come back. He has absolutely nothing to gain by coming back. He will get his degree this year and he has a championship. I doubt his stock goes up as a senior. He won't be playing with the ball in his hands and I doubt he gets as many shots if Knox comes. Carter will get plenty touches next year.
Hairston didn't win a national championship, he was part of the 2011 acct champions though.
I agree with your point on having Grayson surrounded by better defenders such as Trent and Duval. Grayson isn't nearly as bad of a defender as Luke, he's not great but he's not awful either.
Hairston doesn't have a championship ring. He was here from '11-'14. We won the year before and the year after him.
Grayson can play himself back into the first round by coming back. I do think he is going to probably go ultimately but he can gain something if he comes back and has a good year. He'd get plenty of shots too- he was on a team this year with Tatum and Luke and still got his. Nothing would change there and his senior leadership would be desperately needed on a very young team.
Sometimes you just have to keep it real. They're good but it's time to change it up a little. Duval is more important than both.
If he takes the Quinn Cook approach then maybe. He has to take a back seat. He would have to be that spark plug off the bench. He won't get as many shots because he won't have the ball nearly as much anymore. Duval will be running the offense and Carter will get plenty touches. Hopefully coach K runs the offense through the post next year and not the 3 point line
Well Quinn was an all American that year, had his best year at Duke and started every game. So yeah I agree I'd like to see him have a Quinn cool approach, and truthfully that could be the best thing to ever happen to Grayson (outside of him willing us to a national championship).
Quinn took a backseat and focused on defense. If Grayson is willing to do that, I hope he does comeback. His personality is straight up attack mode so it'll be a big change for him. Luke need to go. He definitely won't get any higher. I just want to see Jack White and Javin play. Is that too much to ask? Maybe it is for Coach K
Yeah sorry I was thinking about the ACC tourney. That's my fault on Hairston he still wasn't a bad player imo.
Grayson can go first round either season. This one or if he comes back.
Take a back seat to who? Who would he take a back seat to? Duval is a starter I know and get that but who else would he take a back seat to. Jackson? Trent Jr?
Once again sorry on Hairston my mistake
Grayson can go first round either season. This one or if he comes back.
Take a back seat to who? Who would he take a back seat to? Duval is a starter I know and get that but who else would he take a back seat to. Jackson? Trent Jr?
Once again sorry on Hairston my mistake
Backseat to Duval as far as having the ball in his hands a lot. Plus Carter will get a lot of post touches if the coaching staff isn't losing their minds. Grayson is going to have to play off the ball and focus on becoming a defensive stopper like Quinn did. If not we can put Frank out there and he can play that role perfect with no problems.