Measles In Clemson and upstate

FLaw47

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I derailed us and that was stupid- that's my bad. What ICE is doing or what happened during covid is really not the issue here.

Measles is starting to run rampant in our State, and there is nothing more stupid than allowing a virus we have a preventable vaccine for to do this.

Agreed. Vaccine refusal is the closest thing to a litmus test I have for someone. If you refuse vaccines without being physically unable to take them, you're a person of no value to me. (I have some flex for lower efficacy vaccinations like covid and flu, I won't write you off for that but I'll have an exasperated sigh).
 

FLaw47

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How so? Sanctuary cities nullify federal law. Federal law enforcement now steps in. Sounds pretty textbook to me

Again, the protest isn't the enforcement of the law. It's the manner in which it's being enforced. ICE is fully responsible for their actions here. This isn't complicated at all of if you're not going out of your way to miss the point.
 

kidmike41

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Again, the protest isn't the enforcement of the law. It's the manner in which it's being enforced. ICE is fully responsible for their actions here. This isn't complicated at all of if you're not going out of your way to miss the point.
I agree with you on that point and have not argued it once
 
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BigPapaWhit

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Unlawful search and seizure is terrible and should be punished. We have immigration laws on the books. Blue states should enforce them. Covid was a bunch of mandate nonsense and should have never been enforced.
So who gets to choose which laws to enforce? Or states can ignore mandates but must enforce law? Can you please clarify your argument.

Alas Covid mandates, I would submit were absolutely necessary because the societal cost were less than the potential risks, particularly early when there was so much unknown. Some states may have taken it too serious, and some states not serious enough.

A mask was easy. Keeping your kid home from school was easy. People would not do it. But parents could or would not do it. Maybe they had no childcare. Maybe the only meal was at school. Maybe they did not give a damn about everyone else. Society survives and thrives when individuals are willing to set aside personal needs/wants for a better community. Some people choose self-interest over that and will get blow back.
 

BigPapaWhit

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How so? Sanctuary cities nullify federal law. Federal law enforcement now steps in. Sounds pretty textbook to me
What if federal law enforcement stepped in to force vaccination or inoculation?

The ICE issue is probably less political blowback and more strategic and tactical blowback. FEDS ramped up recruiting. I would venture that screening and training has not prepared them for the stressors and issues they are facing. Plus, citizens are not used to dealing with such tactics. I would also submit training and screening were a factor in the unfortunate incident of the woman being shot.
 

MTTiger19

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I derailed us and that was stupid- that's my bad. What ICE is doing or what happened during covid is really not the issue here.

Measles is starting to run rampant in our State, and there is nothing more stupid than allowing a virus we have a preventable vaccine for to do this.
I disagree. The only think more stupid is letting in millions of people with NO vaccines. And then blaming white people like you did you weirdo. You immediately associate people of color with immigrants as if whites can’t be immigrants. A real dumb fucj.
 

kidmike41

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What if federal law enforcement stepped in to force vaccination or inoculation?

The ICE issue is probably less political blowback and more strategic and tactical blowback. FEDS ramped up recruiting. I would venture that screening and training has not prepared them for the stressors and issues they are facing. Plus, citizens are not used to dealing with such tactics. I would also submit training and screening were a factor in the unfortunate incident of the woman being shot.
There are no laws on the books requiring vaccinations. We saw how well that worked with the military forcing service members to do it. It’s a hypothetical and I would be against it. No doubt training/screening is an issue for ICE. Should ICE be better yes. Should sanctuary cities enforce the laws yes.
 

kidmike41

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So who gets to choose which laws to enforce? Or states can ignore mandates but must enforce law? Can you please clarify your argument.

Alas Covid mandates, I would submit were absolutely necessary because the societal cost were less than the potential risks, particularly early when there was so much unknown. Some states may have taken it too serious, and some states not serious enough.

A mask was easy. Keeping your kid home from school was easy. People would not do it. But parents could or would not do it. Maybe they had no childcare. Maybe the only meal was at school. Maybe they did not give a damn about everyone else. Society survives and thrives when individuals are willing to set aside personal needs/wants for a better community. Some people choose self-interest over that and will get blow back.
A mandate is not a law. Thats where I stop and start. You must not have had school age children to talk like that. Some schools were closed for 2 years. Society will survive one way or the other. Humanity made it through the plague. Covid was not a threat to humanity, it was a novel virus on par with the flu. It needed to run its course. The costs were extremely high. A massive amount of trust lost in government and scientific institutions, inflation, massive deficit spending, poor children were left behind and will be a drag on society for years to come.
 

dpic73

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I mean did they enforce the laws by letting in 20 million people? We just glossing right over that law?
Why do you feel so comfortable constantly repeating this lie that has no basis in fact? That's about 5X as many people that actually came through and 6 million more undocumented than are here TOTAL. We've explained this to you plenty and given you the proof yet you continue. This is why you have zero credibility outside of those who blindly accept your angry tirades.
 
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Chefkdh

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Maybe here's some perspective, maybe not. This could differ in SC, but it's just a general reference: let's say a small school district serves a K-12 student population somewhere around the number of cases you quoted. If 3 kids within a small school district all died in a short timeframe, it would be a HUGE deal, no? Or, for example, in the Upstate if there are 2242 babies under the age of 1...and 3 of them die from the same cause that was otherwise preventable, but their well-being was instead risked because of others beliefs?
Would it be a huge deal? Sure. Is another person's health my responsibility? No. There are measures one could take to avoid contact with others if they're concerned about the health of their child under 1.
 

tigres88

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So hilarious reading all the hand wringing over a government not following laws supposedly. Where were all of you while Biden and co were breaking every single immigration law we have? Bunch of ******* losers.
 

yoshi121374

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Would it be a huge deal? Sure. Is another person's health my responsibility? No. There are measures one could take to avoid contact with others if they're concerned about the health of their child under 1.

And that's a big problem. Why don't you think someone else's health should be or is your concern? Kind of an ******* way to live life.

Just for discussion and certainly don't answer if you don't want to, but do you profess to be a Christian?
 

MTTiger19

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Rad. Public schools should require the MMR vaccine (as they have for decades) with no religious exemptions (which are almost exclusively lies anyways). All good?
Well guess what dumb ****. They do and this isn’t public. They allow religious exemptions. Like praying to allah - we know youd fight for them to do that.
 

MTTiger19

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Always so mad... Wonder what real life is like for this absolute winner?

Also, maybe try facts sometime.
I don’t think you can appreciate the level of control I exhibit in here. These people like yoshi and tigres are the absolute worst. Just complete idiots. How are grown men unable to comprehend what’s going on and why it’s happening.
Oh and for facts. 20+ million unvetted people were let in by Biden. They have all kinds of issues. Fraud and disease. Thats the facts.
 

tigres88

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I don’t think you can appreciate the level of control I exhibit in here. These people like yoshi and tigres are the absolute worst. Just complete idiots. How are grown men unable to comprehend what’s going on and why it’s happening.
Oh and for facts. 20+ million unvetted people were let in by Biden. They have all kinds of issues. Fraud and disease. Thats the facts.

 

BigPapaWhit

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A mandate is not a law. Thats where I stop and start. You must not have had school age children to talk like that. Some schools were closed for 2 years. Society will survive one way or the other. Humanity made it through the plague. Covid was not a threat to humanity, it was a novel virus on par with the flu. It needed to run its course. The costs were extremely high. A massive amount of trust lost in government and scientific institutions, inflation, massive deficit spending, poor children were left behind and will be a drag on society for years to come.
Taught school for ten years
One in middle school at time.


Society and Science was not sure in early phases. Some states handled wisely some handled poorly. If we had better direction and leadership at the national level perhaps some of the less reasonable actions might have occurred. I would also submit Covid exposed flaws within our national education model, crisis management and logistical/defense infrastructure that should have been corrected.
Not to diverge too much but since we’re having a conversation. The ed system has long been broken. Covid was a great opportunity to reset and rebuild. Instead we go back to the traditional model. Which will not make up for lost learning nor improve metrics for the long term.
 

yoshi121374

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I don’t think you can appreciate the level of control I exhibit in here. These people like yoshi and tigres are the absolute worst. Just complete idiots. How are grown men unable to comprehend what’s going on and why it’s happening.
Oh and for facts. 20+ million unvetted people were let in by Biden. They have all kinds of issues. Fraud and disease. Thats the facts.

Says the guy spouting complete falsehoods and claiming he pays 50% in taxes.

Again, I think it's pretty obvious to anyone reading your posts who is sane.
 

tigres88

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So who gets to choose which laws to enforce? Or states can ignore mandates but must enforce law? Can you please clarify your argument.

Alas Covid mandates, I would submit were absolutely necessary because the societal cost were less than the potential risks, particularly early when there was so much unknown. Some states may have taken it too serious, and some states not serious enough.

A mask was easy. Keeping your kid home from school was easy. People would not do it. But parents could or would not do it. Maybe they had no childcare. Maybe the only meal was at school. Maybe they did not give a damn about everyone else. Society survives and thrives when individuals are willing to set aside personal needs/wants for a better community. Some people choose self-interest over that and will get blow back.
Beautifully said.

I'm fine with some of yalls insistence on 'rugged individualism' but the underlying philosophy of focusing on said individualism should be for the common good.

The goal is not to be isolated, but rather to be better citizens and people. Make your own choices. Be your own person. Don't rely on other people. All fine if that's your life philosophy of rugged individualism.

But do so for the good and care for the society and community you're in, not for yourself. Rugged individualism should make you a better person to better exist around other individuals, for your and their good. Not just for yourself, that's simply selfishness. That's what it means to be human.
 

MTTiger19

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Beautifully said.

I'm fine with some of yalls insistence on 'rugged individualism' but the underlying philosophy of focusing on said individualism should be for the common good.

The goal is not to be isolated, but rather to be better citizens and people. Make your own choices. Be your own person. Don't rely on other people. All fine if that's your life philosophy of rugged individualism.

But do so for the good and care for the society and community you're in, not for yourself. Rugged individualism should make you a better person to better exist around other individuals, for your and their good. Not just for yourself, that's simply selfishness. That's what it means to be human.
What a ******* pathetic post. Why would I be motivated to do anything in my entire life to benefit people like you or yoshi or dpic. You’re ******* communist weirdo losers. I want nothing to do with any of you and hope everything you want is a failure. I wouldn’t want to be in a community with people like you. Truly. ICE needs to ramp this up.
 
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kidmike41

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Taught school for ten years
One in middle school at time.


Society and Science was not sure in early phases. Some states handled wisely some handled poorly. If we had better direction and leadership at the national level perhaps some of the less reasonable actions might have occurred. I would also submit Covid exposed flaws within our national education model, crisis management and logistical/defense infrastructure that should have been corrected.
Not to diverge too much but since we’re having a conversation. The ed system has long been broken. Covid was a great opportunity to reset and rebuild. Instead we go back to the traditional model. Which will not make up for lost learning nor improve metrics for the long term.
No arguments here
 

dpic73

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I don’t think you can appreciate the level of control I exhibit in here. These people like yoshi and tigres are the absolute worst. Just complete idiots. How are grown men unable to comprehend what’s going on and why it’s happening.
Oh and for facts. 20+ million unvetted people were let in by Biden. They have all kinds of issues. Fraud and disease. Thats the facts.
You are a fvcking liar. Again, there aren't 20 million here total, much less that came through under Biden. And what makes you so sure that all the immigrants coming through the border are diseased lol? It's like you can't imagine that other countries vaccinate too because surely those people have bones in their noses and all live in trees, lol. For example, Mexico had a higher uptake of the first covid vaccine than the US and quite a few Latin American countries have higher measles vaccination rates than we do.

Have you been vaccinated for rabies? If not, you need to look into that stat before you rage your lying @SS right off this planet.