Just for reference, when you have to pull out one anecdotal, sort of connected situation to support a broad stroke point, you've already lost.
Playing on emotions works on you, but facts work for adults.
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Just for reference, when you have to pull out one anecdotal, sort of connected situation to support a broad stroke point, you've already lost.
Playing on emotions works on you, but facts work for adults.
Ahhh. Then I guess you can agree to disagree. I find those laws important. But there are no illegals here so what’s the problem?
I know this was like the 3rd sentence in my post so it was a lot of reading for you but I did say "I think ICE should still be able to carry out legal deportations.".
I also think that it makes communities less safe when anyone who is undocumented can't interact with the government in any way without fear of deportation. What if they observed an other immigrant brutally rape and murder some beautiful white child? I'd like for them to be able to go to the police but if they know they'll be deported, they'll just keep to themselves.
I’m not aware of any unlawful activity by ICE. What are you referring to?
I don't think you're capable of being convinced on that point and don't think it's germane to my post. Do you have any thoughts on what I brought up in my post?
Sure. We give people immunity all the time for coming forward. However that’s a minuscule number of situations wouldn’t you agree. Is your position we shouldn’t enforce immigration laws because they may not report a crime being committed against a white person? Seems kinda far fetched. Or I think you used the words BS, fantasy and fever dream. Seems appropriate.
I gave you a very clear cut example, it obviously wasn't meant to be all inclusive. I think I've been clear with this. I think we're better off when immigrants can feel confident they won't be reported when they go to the ER or call the police. So yes, I agree with ignoring any laws saying they must be reported.
Ok. So if it’s cool for you to ignore laws I guess it’s good for us all. Good deal. Glad to know you’re the arbiter of American law. I’ll try that line of reasoning next time I get a speeding ticket.
For what? And by following your line of thinking and reasoning regarding enforcement of laws. That would stand to reason you’re ok with a pedophile not reporting child rape as they wouldn’t think that needed to be reported. You still stand by that?
Trump was convicted of a crime and had several other active prosecutions kibashed.
I've been very consistent with my statement that everyone is selective of which laws they want enforced. I think that people should report child molestation and are doing a bad thing if they sit on it. I also wouldn't call the police if I observed my neighbor smoking a joint or jaywalking.
What was the crime he was convicted of and who was the victim in the case? I ask so I can apply your selection criteria. I may or may not think it should be enforced.
Trump falsified business records and was convicted of 34 felonies.
It doesn't seem like you know how arguing works. You are the person claiming that all laws must be enforced. If you do not think this law needs to be enforced (and I'll clarify that this is much worse because he was proven guilty) in this instance, then you are the one who doesn't have a valid position.
their position can be summed up easily, if Trump is for it, they're against it...and vice versa...and there's no discussion that will change their minds. Even Flaw, who is part of this discussion has posted that he can't see himself ever voting for a republican - in spite of the fact that he has no idea who will be candidates in the future. How's that for an open mind.?
They'll constantly yell illegal or unconstitutional on here, yet their past democrat elected officials did the same things and nothing was said, or were cheered.
Oh and if you dare to accept their position you either a Nazi or fascist.
I didn't think we were talking but when law enforcement arrests someone without a warrant or any crimes being committed, that's kidnapping in my book.
if those folks fear deportation, that tells me they know they are violating the law. If they are fearful, DHS is offering free rides home...just take them up on the offer. No more fear.
just out of curiosity, what was trump's sentence for being convicted of a crime? Did he ignore that sentence?
I'm not sure how this materially challenges anything that I've said.
- We both acknowledge that there are people who are here illegally
- We both acknowledge they'd rather not leave, despite the "best efforts" of our illustrious government
so in our system person is charged, tried, convicted, sentenced. Is Trump somehow violating his sentence?
His sentencing just so happened to be impacted by his being elected.
That’s a bit disingenuous. Flaw said he couldn’t vote for any Republican because their CURRENT trajectory is not in line with his beliefs. There’s a lot of people who feel this way.
well on a message board you get to make you own definition...but in reality when law enforcement officer detains someone, let's just say for refusing to identify themselves as requested, in your definition that's kidnapping?
Ned is spinning since it's been fairly well proven that he isn't as open to other views as he has stated.
It's a bit sad since he seems to be a good guy, but the constant both sides is such a weak position to take, it's easy socially when nobody will challenge you, it's quite another when someone called you out for your hypocrisy.
I'm more than happy to discuss. Problem is the way I see it, we're a safer country when the person here illegally who is fearful of going to the police, is not longer in the country, but is less fearful in their own.
And basically everyone agrees that if they are here illegally that deportation is ok. What is troubling is the way it's being done.
It's targeted towards Democratic cities,they are being extremely dishonest about what types of people are being rounded up, and they are not being honest at all about numbers. Ex. 20 million number being quoted repeatedly.
Now I know you are gonna blame a Democrat, which is fine, but how about we asses the items that I mentioned?
Why send troops to Minnesota, when there are far,far more illegals in Texas for example?
no, I understand that just about everybody on here, except maybe one or two, acknowledge that there are people here illegally
where the debate comes is how do we remove them. I think the majority of posters have some trepidation about how ICE is dealing with this. And some, small minority, want more aggressiveness and some, small minority, just want to call ICE agents nazis.
In the perfect world, when ICE pulls into a street they call for anyone in the country illegally to pack their bags, come outside, board the busses for a free ride home, and all those come out and get on the buses. But we don't live in a perfect world. When ICE shows up there are protestors/agitators blowing whistles/car horns, yelling obsenities at agents , and on bad days, throwing things at agents.
So, almost by definition, the agents find themselves in a chaotic environment, and the environment is not helped when elected leaders are encouraging resistance and, if reports are correct, are coordinating efforts to alert of ICE actions.
Now to me, regardless of the migrants desires not to leave, they are here illegally and must be deported.
On the other hand, should we ever come to agreements on the need for immigration reform, we could create a situation beneficial to the migrants and the country. But as long as one part of government is intent on fighting everything Trump that won't happen. And, not to be one sided, trump needs to put together a bill that democrats would at least consider without just putting in circular file or tearing up
Makes total sense. As my friend always says, hook em. Apparently we all agree that trump shouldn’t be in jail.
Can you acknowledge that much of the protest is due to how ICE is doing the job?
The reason he wasn't sentenced was because you folks thought he'd be a great president and the cases were dropped since you can't jail a sitting president.
That’s obvious. It’s crazy watching grown ups do mental gymnastics to justify absolute chaos bc a guy with a bad tan upset them. And then they top it off with their moral superiority and rhetoric and name calling. No self responsibility, accountability or discipline. Just name calling and anti-orange man. What a life that must be. Hanging on every word of some real estate tycoon so they can fly into their blind rage lol, sounds like paradise.
true, but if we're going to commit to following the system, that's why Trump is not in jail.
Look, I'm not one of the Trump at all costs supporters. I have posted many times that I agree with some of Trump policies and disagree with others. I don't like his personality, but I'm not going to marry him.
We might not like how the system works, I certainly don't like cashless bail, but we can't just pick and choose which parts of the system to follow and which to ignore.
I'm going to apologize in advance for and say that there are numerous posts of yours in not going to be able to circle back to so I hope you'll forgive me or nag me about important ones.
My only point with this is that if someone insists on all laws being enforced, they should be irrate at what happened with Trump's prosecution and convictions. The reality is that most of the people making these claims (and I'm NOT lumping you in here) couldn't give two sh.its about trump's proven and highly likely crimes. So the "just enforce the laws that we have" thing rings extremely hollow.
I understand that justice is slow and that the Biden DOJ likely dropped the ball on some timing for these prosecutions. I think you, though, could consider how much opportunity there is for the Trump DOJ just to end the outstanding investigations (and indeed this appears to be likely). I don't fully understand how you could consider that justice, even if it's legal in some extremely narrow sense.
My god you are such a friggin idiot. No way you believe half of what you post. You're just a dumb troll
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The pure irony of this post is insane.