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o_GuitarDawg

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Does anyone else think that MV should not be the starter this Sunday? I may be the only one but this guy is proof to all the inner city kids that you can majorly <17>up and still come back and start in the NFL. This guy not only murdered animals, he forced them into fighting for entertainment. We cannot even do that with humans. <div>
</div><div>And before anyone comes out saying "What do you think UFC is?" Just know that they all wear gloves/cups, and most of them fight to to have a better record and make the big dollars, it's all about tactics now. If I'm paying $45 for a ppv I want to see 2 men FIGHT! Throw caution in the wind and swing until someone gets knocked out or can no longer fight due to blood in the eyes or broken knuckles. Submissions are great but come on...not every time.</div><div>
</div><div>Just saying, Mikey Vick should not be able to start ever again. He can play but not start. Does anyone honestly believe that this guy is sorry for what he's done? Or is he sorry that he got caught doing something wrong??</div><div>
</div><div>I know the "not starting" thing is stupid. But this guy is lucky he's rich or he'd still be in prison</div><div>
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Does anyone else think that MV should not be the starter this Sunday? I may be the only one but this guy is proof to all the inner city kids that you can majorly <17>up and still come back and start in the NFL. This guy not only murdered animals, he forced them into fighting for entertainment. We cannot even do that with humans. <div>
</div><div>And before anyone comes out saying "What do you think UFC is?" Just know that they all wear gloves/cups, and most of them fight to to have a better record and make the big dollars, it's all about tactics now. If I'm paying $45 for a ppv I want to see 2 men FIGHT! Throw caution in the wind and swing until someone gets knocked out or can no longer fight due to blood in the eyes or broken knuckles. Submissions are great but come on...not every time.</div><div>
</div><div>Just saying, Mikey Vick should not be able to start ever again. He can play but not start. Does anyone honestly believe that this guy is sorry for what he's done? Or is he sorry that he got caught doing something wrong??</div><div>
</div><div>I know the "not starting" thing is stupid. But this guy is lucky he's rich or he'd still be in prison</div><div>
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He lost probably $100M because of his crimes. He'll probably be broke when he exits the NFL. Our judicial system says he's paid his debt to society. Let him earn a living from here on the best he can.

Doesn't mean you gotta go buy your 10 yr old a Vick jersey, but the man's got a right to earn a living and if the NFL is willing to employ him then so be it.

It's not like he's formulating public policy that's effecting mine or your lives.
 
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and love my parents rat terrier, and while Mike Vick was wrong and what he did was disgusting, I also believe in forgiveness. He paid he debt to society, he has made no excuses for his behavior that I am aware of, and yes, I do believe that he regrets his decisions. If nothing else, this has cost him millions just by not playing in the NFL for a little while.

I think Vick should start if he is the best, regardless of what he has done in the past. What's to stop the Eagles from putting the back-up in for the first play of the game, hand it off, and then let Vick play the rest of the game? I think Micheal Vick is one of the most talented players in the NFL. I was saddened to hear of his bad news because I enjoy watching him play so much.

How can he prove that he has learned a lesson if he is not given the opportunity to start and play? He knows that if he screws up again, he is done.
 
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Playing football has nothing to do with him proving that he's learned a lesson. And no doubt they would just hand it off once then turn it over to Vick, but he wouldn't get the starts under his belt. Idk. I'm just frustrated with our Justice/Penal System, I don't understand how money immediately makes a problem, more or less go away.<div>How about buying a dog for companionship, that might show he's changed but I doubt they'll let this guy within 100ft. of any animal shelter/hospital/etc. How about adopting 100s of dogs and letting them live on his land and letting Handicapped children come spend time with them? That's a good way. He needs to use dogs in a positive was instead of using them as...well, usually it's to make money but he was - and probably still is, don't let the missed yr. or two fool you - a millionaire. He's not living in low income housing, by any means. He's still got a nice house and all that stuff, unless he blew it all the way a lot of them do nowadays, then he may be scruggling. But I doubt that, especially since he's signed a new contract. Just found this with little effort:<div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 17px; ">EaglesquarterbackMichael Vickwill be paid $1.625 million for the 2009 season regardless of the length of any pending suspension by the NFL, unless he is released by the team prior to the opening game, NFL Players Association sources familiar with the contract told ESPN...</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 17px; ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 17px; ">Vick also will receive $5.25 million for the 2010 season if he remains with the Eagles, including a $1.5 million roster bonus due by March 5. Once paid, it is counted as money earned. In addition to the bonus, Vick's base salary in 2010 is $3.75 million, of which $1 million is guaranteed.</span></div>
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If he is the best at his position on his team, he should start. Simple as that.

I don't care what he did in his past. And I really don't see why people still have a problem with him.
 
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"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">We cannot even do that with humans."</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">Are you suggesting that doing it to dogs is worse than doing it to humans?</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">And he tortured dogs, therefore he shouldn't play football? Where is the connection? You don't want him to play football, but you want him to be able to get another dog for companionship? I just don't see the logic in all this.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">Look, is torturing and killing dogs horrible? Obviously it is. And it says something awful about the person doing it. But how, exactly is killing a dog worse for society than flying down the highway drunk or beating actual human beings? Because we seem to have far less of a problem with these things, for whatever reason. I realize that dogs are living things and are cute and cuddly, but they aren't people. Again, what he did is awful, no question about it, and he should have paid for it and he did. But unless he does something again, at this point, just let him be.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">And no, he would not still be in prison if he weren't rich or famous. He would have gotten out sooner. They made an example out of him in this case, most people get less. And he is no longer rich.</span></div>
 
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If you want to ***** about him being on the team in the first place, then go ahead. You might have a legitimate argument. But don't ***** about him starting.
 
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is he still fighting dogs on the side? If not, then he's learned his lesson.

If someone robs a bank and does their time, when they get out should they give money endlessly to a bank?

Terrible logic. I take it you're a vegetarian too to go along with your PETA membership.
 
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he is out of jail. he hasn't been caught fighting more dogs. the system worked. what is your problem? he wasn't betting on football. he wasn't killing fellow teammates. he wasn't murdering and raping his fans. he didn't steal anything from the players. it's over. he has moved on, the league has moved on, and you have not. what would you rather him do, sit back in the ghetto where he came from and start slinging rock?

are you next going to start complaining that actors can't get the lead role in a film if they go to prison for doing drugs or breaking other highly enforced laws?

YEAH...GIVE THOSE MOTHER17ERS SUPPORTING ROLES!!!! NEVER THE LEAD ROLE JUST SUPPORTING!!!! I DON'T GIVE A **** IF THEY ARE THE BEST AND THEY PUT BOOBIE IN THERE YOU KNOW WAT IMMM SAYIN HIS WAY ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK!!!! DUBMASS ACTORS AND THEIR DRUGS. AND ANOTHER THING, YOU 17ING SINGERS AND YOUR DRUGS BETTER WATCH OUT BECAUSE YOU'LL FIND YOURSELF AS BACKUP SINGERS AND THAT'S IT!!!!! I'D RATHERLISTEN TOWILLIAM HUNG IF YOUR *** IS BREAKING THE LAW!111!!!!!11!
 
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I honestly think its ridiculous the amount of jail time he got. I think it is absurd to think that Michael Vick killed dogs and got two years, Plaxico Burress shot HIMSELF and got two years, and Donte Stallworth killed another man while drunk and high and got 24 days. Look I love dogs as much as anyone, but at the end of the day, they are dogs. They are animals. They are the exact same thing as the deer and doves that southerners love to kill everyday. While I think it is grotesque and extremely repulsive what he did, I honestly don't find any judicial fault with the guy. Heck, he even paid for the dogs. They are his property. Its terrible but its absurd that he had to go to jail for two years.

So yes he absolutely should start (especially since I just got him off the waiver wire). Get off the guys case.
 
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Todd4State said:
and love my parents rat terrier, and while Mike Vick was wrong and what he did was disgusting, I also believe in forgiveness. He paid he debt to society, he has made no excuses for his behavior that I am aware of, and yes, I do believe that he regrets his decisions. If nothing else, this has cost him millions just by not playing in the NFL for a little while.

I think Vick should start if he is the best, regardless of what he has done in the past. What's to stop the Eagles from putting the back-up in for the first play of the game, hand it off, and then let Vick play the rest of the game? I think Micheal Vick is one of the most talented players in the NFL. I was saddened to hear of his bad news because I enjoy watching him play so much.

How can he prove that he has learned a lesson if he is not given the opportunity to start and play? He knows that if he screws up again, he is done.
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Furthermore - its not Vick's fault at all the little miscreants of America can't understand that he's lost tens of millions of dollars over this fiasco. Its not his fault that they can't understand that he's paid for his crime and is now free to live and prosper the best he can.
 
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Guess they may as well not try to change and be better people, what's the point?

He did his time, get over it.

I seem to remember some guy talking about forgiveness a few thousand years ago.
 
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than a person without money would usually get. You can rape someone and get less time.

You're totally out of touch with reality.
 
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I am addicted to meat, if I eat and do not have meat I get a stomach ache/still hungry. Meat is a necessity. And I do not have a PETA membership, and although I do support them to a certain degree, I think they are grossly overzealous on most instances.<div>
</div><div>I do think that fighting dogs is far worse than fighting humans. Animals are like children in that they are the only true innocence in the world, with the exception of a few people that aren't quite up to par as adults. </div><div>
</div><div>If he is not a football player, his life is ruined. People don't come out of prison "rehabilitated," that's not even what prison is about any longer (with a few exceptions far between), it's about punishment. And if you want to argue that think about 2ppl applying for a job, one has a felony and the other doesn't. How many second chances do normal felons get? I'm fairly certain that it is zero. I probably give the job to the non-felon right off the bat, but I would prefer to actually interview them and see what kind of person they really are. The same cannot be said about most places. They see felony on an application and all but throw it away.</div><div>
</div><div>He IS sorry. But I honestly don't know if it's because he got caught doing something bad/wrong. I don't know if it's because he now knows the value of life, whether it be an grown man, a dog or a dolphin. I do know that he wishes he wouldn't have done it: Regret. It's possible it' not for the right reasons but he is regretful.</div><div>
</div><div>Sure let's let him play. Plax needs hope and someone to look up to. And once Roethlisberger rapes another girl, I will start pulling for him. I hope that he'll get another ring. What a heroic story that would be. Everyone deserves second chances.</div>
 
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A Jesus reference - I'm assuming that's who you were talking about, you weren't very specific. Very original. I wish people were forgiving, but this is (The United States of) America, it's just not what we do best.<div>
</div><div>How about forgiving me for starting the topic? BecauseI've seen worse topics than this on here.Plus, it's a message board, it's for discussion, whether hypothetical or serious.</div><div>
</div><div>I'm getting eaten alive for voicing an opinion, even if it was stupid.</div><div>
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they get out. He paid his debt to society, and if he is good enough to start in the NFL then that is what he should be doing
 
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Although it was a stupid concept/post/idea. There is no need to be rude. I mean OM lost to Jacksonville St. But I'm not sending postcards to Oxford residents. Just seeing what some people thought about the idea and boy, I will not make the the mistake of inquiry again.
 
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I don't know how you got this. But if it's for a violent crime of some sort, then no they don't get their job back. And embezzlement I think is up to the company.
 
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I'm getting eaten alive for voicing an opinion, even if it was stupid.
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At least you know your opinion is stupid. That's the first step.

Oh also, an animal is just that. An animal. Just because you think they're cute and cuddly, doesn't mean they have innocence. Your dog would tear the wings off of a bird to watch it hop and bleed. The second the bird died, the dog would get bored and put his face in his crotch for the next 30 minutes. If a human child did that, you'd be ready to fry the little bastard.

Just because you want to think that your dog has dreams and ambitions, doesn't mean he does. He wants to be fed, breed if you haven't cut off his balls, mark his territory, sleep, and lick his crotch. That's it.
 
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Most of the time they are pretty dumb. But if you read books, you'll know that humans are also animals, so I don't get the statement that they are just animals. We are very smart. Dogs are not but they have dreams while they sleep and they have ambitions to chase cars, balls, sticks or just about whatever you throw. <div>
</div><div>But I know there is no point arguing any of this beyond this point. You'll respond belittling me because you don't get what I'm talking about and it would just go around again. </div><div>
</div><div>For what it's worth the dreams and ambitions part was a bit of a joke, I know that needed to be clarified.</div>
 
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As long as he pays his debt to society he should be able to do whatever he wants when he gets out. You know since he is a free man again.
 
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Vick screwed up and paid his debt; that is the way our system works. He should have every opportunity to be successful from here on out and I hope he is. The fastest QB to ever play the game, hands down. For the record, I doubt he stays out of trouble.</p>
 
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