How many more years of misery can Nebraska be when they lose these big games that they need to win. It took 2 yrs for Harbaugh to turn around Michigan into a title contender. We need a big time coach that can recruit and coach. No more excuses of, give these coaches 1-2 yr chance to see what they can do with their recruits. The reason Nebraska got Mike Riley was no other big time coach wanted to come here.
Michigan and Harbaugh..
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10-3 first year
possible playoff in year 2
both with 1st year quarterbacks
possible playoff in year 2
both with 1st year quarterbacks
Good points... I'm sure all of the starters for Michigan are Harbaugh's recruits... all freshmen and sophs playing... that's why Michigan is a title contender.
It has nothing to do with the fact that their roster was already loaded when he arrived.
Sarcasm over...
The one caveat I will make is that Harbaugh has done a masterful job with the QBs. If we could have had that same turnaround with our QB it would be interesting to think what these 2 years would have looked like. Credit to Harbaugh on that.
If Harbaugh wins today there will be a run on men`s oversized khakis.
Harbaugh was a Michigan guy with a big time resume, who inherited a loaded roster. No one was going to win huge at Nebraska in two years. Our best hope, imo, is for Riley to build the roster for a couple more years, build a solid culture and hand off some talent to the next guy (Scott Frost) to make title runs. Just the way I see it right now.
Interesting thoughts but Iowa & Wisconsin both proved to us more talent doesn't mean everything. If that Michigan program was so loaded with talent and it was a can't lose situation, then why did Brady Hoke lose?
Or even better, If we were so thin at certain position, why no Juco recruiting ?
Give Harbaugh his dam credit. He deserves it. He's done a better job than Riley has. That's all
Then need to start their freshmen and soph players instead of redshirting them or else recruit players that can start right away at the positions we need help at.
Please don't take my sarcasm as suggesting Harbaugh is a bad coach or that Riley is better for that matter... Harbaugh is a great coach and could be Meyer-like or Saban-esque.
Where we need to bring in talent and develop what we have is on the lines, as has been said by so many these last 24 hours... put it on Bo, put it on Riley, I don't care whose fault it is. If that doesn't change in a hurry we will be praying for 9-3 in the future, not expecting t as a minimum requirement.
This is much easier to do at skill positions than it is on the lines... at least that's what I've read. They need time to develop.
We have seen freshmen get a lot of snaps these last 2 years, just primarily at skill positions.
Harbaugh is a damn good coach and no one can really dispute that. Up until this season Michigan wasn't really viewed as being loaded with talent but suddenly this season they're loaded? They went all out to get a hot coach who would make a difference and it's paying off for them.
Hoke was no doubt a better recruiter than Pelini overall, but Michigan's last 2 recruiting classes before Harbaugh were ranked 31st and 51st nationally. He has taken them to a new level. At most blue-blood programs, great coaches are able to turn things around significantly in the first 2 years - see Saban, Harbaugh, Meyer, Stoops, Carroll.
Harbaugh is an elite coach. Meyer is an elite coach. Saban is an elite coach. Fischer is an elite coach. There's not many elite coaches around.
Outside of Ohio State, all the other schools went through many coaches to find the right one. And some still haven't found it, at least consistent enough.
Outside of Ohio State, all the other schools went through many coaches to find the right one. And some still haven't found it, at least consistent enough.
Brady Hoke isn't a very good coach and Harbaugh is a great coach. Just like we saw with Myer following Fickel at Ohio State. It takes players and coaching. But both of these teams had great talent when Harbaugh and Myer got there and they have made them title contenders. We aren't there in either aspect right now.
I am pretty sure Hoke was running a similar offensive scheme to what Harbaugh is currently running. Harbaugh also had a QB in Ruddock, a grad transfer, that transferred in to aid in the transition. The offensive transition wasn't nearly as difficult as it could have been. Speight also had a year to study a senior QB that fit into the Harbaugh offensive system POB and Lee got to watch a HC and OC change their offensive scheme to fit the limitations of the QB they inherited.
So it isn't as simple as looking at what Harbaugh did compared to what Riley did. If you want to say if Eichorst would have hired Herman or another spread/ read option head coach the transition may have been quicker and smoother I would agree completely. But short of bringing in a coach that would have ran similar schemes to what Pelini ran, there was going to be growing pains.
Another factor is that Riley replaced a coach that was popular with his players and was winning 70% of his games. Harbaugh replaced a guy who was underachieving and not as popular with the players.
So it isn't as simple as looking at what Harbaugh did compared to what Riley did. If you want to say if Eichorst would have hired Herman or another spread/ read option head coach the transition may have been quicker and smoother I would agree completely. But short of bringing in a coach that would have ran similar schemes to what Pelini ran, there was going to be growing pains.
Another factor is that Riley replaced a coach that was popular with his players and was winning 70% of his games. Harbaugh replaced a guy who was underachieving and not as popular with the players.
70% of what games are you talking about? Division 2 teams? Pelini coached teams in the big games didn't show up when they needed to winf
Michigan sucked before he got there...loaded roster my ***...A team we beat twice..they started Purdue's old QB..fans are in denial.
Doesn't matter he won 70% of his games. You are looking at things through your view as a fan. As a player, if I like my coach and we are winning 9 or 10 games every year playing in and winning bowl games and then that coach is fired. I am going to be a little more resistant to change than if I don't necessarily like my coach and we aren't winning games.
Denial of what? That Harbaugh and Myer are great caoches? Not one poster has disputed that. And Rudock came from Iowa not Purdue, btw.
He sucked at Iowa too..pick either one..lol...
The roster excuse is weak is what I'm saying....better play from coaches and players and we are the division champs.
This team could be better right now with a Harbaugh type hire, I agree. But we still could not be a title type team like Michigan and OSU were in year two with their coaches, because of the roster. There is a huge difference and it isnt really an excuse, it is a fact.
Expecting to get Jim Harbaugh to come to Nebraska is not a healthy expectation. He is arguably a top 5 coach in the entire sport of football, NFL and college. He turned around every team he has coached and quickly. If the 49ers decision makers were intelligent he would still be in the NFL. Riley is a good intermediate after the mess we were in a few years ago. Our great hope is that Frost is a top 10 coaching talent, the he may join us in a few years. Otherwise we are looking to be average for a long time to come.
Some posters around don't like to talk about Frost as an option down the road-I don't understand it-- I wish and hope that he is a great success and desires to make this his dream job and works toward that end. How great would that be- a coach where every fabric of his being wants national championships, not "one last adventure"! And for the record I like Riley the person and wish him success as well.
He wasn't expected to go to Michigan either but they went all out to get him and made it happen. Money talks and ******** walks, the difference is that Michigan got real serious in who they wanted.
How can you say that? It was expected for a couple years and got all the [appropriate] traction as his days in SF were counted down.
He could've named his own salary in the NFL, money didn't take him to Ann Arbor.
He also didn't take their max offer, he wanted a bigger assistant pot.
He was out at SF because he is a douche, on display today as well.
Who expected it? Michigan fans are the only ones that I can remember saying he was a lock, everyone else thought it was a pipe dream. He certainly wasn't going to name his price in the NFL and at Michigan he's making NFL type money. Who in their right mind could name their salary in the NFL only to take a job at the college level?
I know I'm going to screw this up, but I thought I read somewhere on RSS that Michigan had more ESPN300 recruits on the team than anyone in the country when Harbaugh took over. I think it was @Mike Matya that stated that(or something similar to it).
I don't know if it was for the 4 or 5 years before Harbaugh arrived in Ann Arbor, but that is correct.
Michigan also has 17 senior starters & 43 seniors total & Peppers who will probably turn pro this year.
Think about that ? For reference I think Iowa will have 17 returning starters next year plus a ton of O-line depth be via injuries this year and so will Wisconsin or thereabouts.
Not that that guarantees anything as I've witnessed nationwide over the years but it's a start?!
Think about that ? For reference I think Iowa will have 17 returning starters next year plus a ton of O-line depth be via injuries this year and so will Wisconsin or thereabouts.
Not that that guarantees anything as I've witnessed nationwide over the years but it's a start?!
Just about anyone that follows college football. Harbaugh is one, and he did.
Money walks except, it was widely reported he took less of a salary for his assistant pool to have a bigger pot. Doesn't sound like money walks to me. Thanks @jflores for the tip.