Military Strikes on Iran Imminent

[ANEW]

1950-1953 Korea (continuous presence today)
1958-1958 Lebanon
1961 Cuba
1964-1973 Vietnam
1964-1973 Laos
1965-1966 Dominican Republic
1970-1970 Cambodia
1982-1984 Lebanon
1983 Grenada
1989 Panama
1990-1991 Kuwait/Iraq
1992-1995 Somalia
1994-1995 Haiti
1995 Bosnia
1999 Serbia/Kosovo
2001-2021 Afghanistan
2003-2011 Iraq
2011 Libya
2014-2021 Iraq
2014-Present Syria

This doesn’t include the ongoing Shadow-war in Africa or Venezuela

Military is one way we exercise national power, and both Dem and Repub administrations have used the **** out of it. Praying Mantis vs Iran in '80 and El Dorado Canyon vs Libya in '86 are two more not on your list. Additionally we have had small scale military peresence/activities, predominately non-kinetic, going on in central and south ameirca, the phillippines and other places

I personally think that there are good/legit reasons for using military force It's not always a bad thing from a selfish US perspective so the fact that we can produce a list isn't a negative in my mind in and of itself.

Reasonable people can look at this list and say "good" or "bad" or "in our national interest enough to use miltary force" or "not in our national interest enough" and disagree on it... and then disagree on if we did a "good job" or a "bad job" when we did.

 

[DVearthquake]

Are you saying "lies" as in a willfully concocted story of WMDs that was known to be complete an utter B.S. or faulty intel combined with other things to include Bush the younger having a quick trigger finger? Legit curious.

The problem was the De-Baathification (spelling? ) policy. Pure effing genius to completely gut the etire established civilian apparatus for keeping the established order AND disband the military and think that we (the US) could rebuild all that from the ground up in real time and have it work.

It didn't have to go down like it did. Who knows, but NOT doing debaathification like we did woudl have probably prevented an untold number of deaths and injuries, ours included.

And then we had the Obama admin that really allowed ISIS to get going.

With the WMDs, I think there was a segment of the administration that heard what they wanted to hear and already had a conclusion in mind. The truth was at minimum wildly distorted because they went in looking for a war.

I agree with 100% about debaathication, and I agree about Obama in the sense that he seriously misjudged the situation with Maliki.

 

[LafayetteBear]

More evidence that Cheeto REALLY deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. Give that man his prize. And a new diaper.

 

[Dungeon09]

With the WMDs, I think there was a segment of the administration that heard what they wanted to hear and already had a conclusion in mind. The truth was at minimum wildly distorted because they went in looking for a war.

I agree with 100% about debaathication, and I agree about Obama in the sense that he seriously misjudged the situation with Maliki.

“As long as we don’t make some critical error as we have consistently done throughout our history, everything will be fine” is not a glowing endorsement.

 

[ANEW]

With the WMDs, I think there was a segment of the administration that heard what they wanted to hear and already had a conclusion in mind. The truth was at minimum wildly distorted because they went in looking for a war.

I kinda agree,. I think that after 9/11 the admin had less reservations about using military force and shifted away from deterrance and into active defense mode. Then you add to it saddam's shennanignas at the time thumbing his nose at some parts of the sanctions against him with respect to WMD and also being coy about whether he had them or not. Saddam was still tryign to be the strongman for internal consumption and for Iran's.

 

[DVearthquake]

I kinda agree,. I think that after 9/11 the admin had less reservations about using military force and shifted away from deterrance and into active defense mode. Then you add to it saddam's shennanignas at the time thumbing his nose at some parts of the sanctions against him with respect to WMD and also being coy about whether he had them or not. Saddam was still tryign to be the strongman for internal consumption and for Iran's.

Paul Wolfowitz is a lesser-known name that comes to mind.

"Saddam was still trying to be the strongman for internal consumption and for Iran's." Yep, and for whatever reason that possibility wasn't weighed as heavily as it should have been.

 

[nytigerfan]

Of course it wasn't. We didn't bomb/kill enought for that. I didn't think that it was, personally.

I think Trump was trying to do the minimum in the hopes that it would be enough and that what we did wouldn't detabilize the regime. We could have kept bombing or let Israel keep going, but the risk was that it would get bigger. like this is going to be.

I have to assume that we got new intel that we did less than we thought and that Iran went back to work and here we are.

Edit: Don't ask me to explain some of the sh*t trump says. I can't. He could have said, "seriously degraded" or, "we belive we have destroyed enough" regardless, we'd still be here anyway.

A lot of you meatheads were on here saying the same ******** as trump after he bombed Iran the first time.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

At what? Bankrupting casinos? Raping children? Success is a nebulous term.

Also I value accurate truthfulness along with calm demeanor and civil discussion

I see you have a different take on communications and life

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

I've read every word of the Bible, in many cases more than once. Why do you think I find more than 75% of it so hilariously stupid?

Perhaps the casino bankrupting, child raping, upside down Bible holding degenerate felon you worship ought to read it more?

That is an excellent recommendation that Trump and going further that ALL OF US read and reread and practice the tenets and principles of the Bible

See we are making progress on finding common ground

Have a nice day and I recommend you attend a church of your choice this weekend

May God bless your family and you

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Every president has lied about that. Israel is the largest state sponsor of terror and has been since 1948.

I am surprised that you did not say the USA

 

[ANEW]

A lot of you meatheads were on here saying the same ******** as trump after he bombed Iran the first time.

"you meatheads" ...wtf are you babbling about?

Yes i supported bombing Irans nuke facillities. You may think a combo of biden's "don't" and obama's pallets of cash will stop a regime who has said that they want death to america and who have actually killed americans from developing nukes. I don't believe that it will.

Iran's current regime is a cancer, but actively trying to topple it involves risk. Last year at the time I wished we wouldn't have stopped israel from doing more after we bombed Iran, or that we woudld have hit more targets and think that i posted such. However that wasn't the call that was made and I can understand the logic. It was a solid operation. Our military did a good job. Trump obvioulsy didn't want to risk complete regime destablization and/or get us into a bigger conflict last year so he stopped things where he did.

We only bombed a few main sites (3?). Not everything related to Iran's nuke program. We also did not purposely target the people. No doubt we heavily damaged the sites we hit, maybe we completely destroyed them like trump said. But things aren't always clean and don't work out the way you want, so I'm not surprised that if we now have info that leads us to believe that we did not destroy everything that we thought or that we need re attack those or addtional targets. That's also a risk of stopping things quickly.

I wish Trump wouldn't have used his customary bravado when talking about the results of what we did, and would have been more circumspect , but that's a feature of Trump that isn't going to change.

Iran isn't helping either. It is continuing to pursue highly enriched uranium and ballistic missile technology and doesn't appear to be stopping their digging in on that hill.

 

[nytigerfan]

"you meatheads" ...wtf are you babbling about?

Yes i supported bombing Irans nuke facillities. You may think a combo of biden's "don't" and obama's pallets of cash will stop a regime who has said that they want death to america and who have actually killed americans from developing nukes. I don't believe that it will.

Iran's current regime is a cancer, but actively trying to topple it involves risk. Last year at the time I wished we wouldn't have stopped israel from doing more after we bombed Iran, or that we woudld have hit more targets and think that i posted such, but that wasn't the call that was made and I can understand the logic. It was a solid operation. Our military did a good job. Trump obvioulsy didn't want to risk complete regime destablization last year so he stopped things where he did.

We only bombed a few main sites (3?). Not everything related to Iran's nuke program. We also did not purposely target the people. No doubt we heavily damaged the sites we hit, maybe we completely destroyed them like trump said. But things aren't always clean and don't work out the way you want, so I'm not surprised that if we now have info that leads us to believe that we did not destroy everything that we thought or that we need re attack those or addtional targets. That's also a risk of stopping things quickly.

I wish Trump wouldn't have used his customary bravado when talking about the results of what we did, and would have been more circumspect , but that's a feature of Trump that isn't going to change.

Iran isn't helping either. It is continuing to pursue highly enriched uranium and ballistic missile technology and doesn't appear to be stopping their digging in on that hill.

Iran isn't helping either. It is continuing to pursue highly enriched uranium and ballistic missile technology and doesn't appear to be stopping their digging in on that hill.

This is my point. They had stopped under Obama. You may disagree with Obama's method, but it worked. And yes, the Iranian regime. But so is the one in Saudi Arabia, and we have no problem being nice to them.

Trump tore up the agreement with Iran that was working, and here we are. He is threatening Iran - with war - to go back to what was happening when Obama was president.

If we get into a prolonged conflict with Iran, that is 100% on trump. 100% of American casualties - if there are any - will be on trump. These are facts.

 

[Chumpsky]

I am surprised that you did not say the USA

I was really only talking about foreign countries. The U.S. is obviously no. 1.

 

[Chumpsky]

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[Chumpsky]

That is an excellent recommendation that Trump and going further that ALL OF US read and reread and practice the tenets and principles of the Bible

See we are making progress on finding common ground

Have a nice day and I recommend you attend a church of your choice this weekend

May God bless your family and you

I recommend you fck your own face.

 

[Chumpsky]

Also I value accurate truthfulness along with calm demeanor and civil discussion

Yes, all widely known traits of Donald "the serial pedophile rapist felon" Trump.

 

[Jfcarter3]

I wish Trump wouldn't have used his customary bravado when talking about the results of what we did, and would have been more circumspect , but that's a feature of Trump that isn't going to change.

Where I come from, we call these "lies":

A sampling:

• “It knocked out their entire potential nuclear capacity.” (July 16)
• “It’s been obliterated.” (July 31)
• “We obliterated … the future nuclear capability of Iran.” (August 18)
• “But I also obliterated Iran’s nuclear hopes, by totally annihilating their enriched uranium.” (September 20)
• “Well, they don’t have a nuclear program. It was obliterated.” (October 13)
• “… completely obliterated Iran’s nuclear capability.” (November 11)
• “It was called Iran and its nuclear capability, and we obliterated that very quickly and strongly and powerfully.” (November 19)
• “We obliterated their nuclear capability.” (December 11)
• “We knocked out the Iran nuclear threat, and it was obliterated.” (January 8)
• “… obliterated Iran’s nuclear enrichment capability.” (January 20)
• “… achieving total obliteration of the Iran nuclear potential capability — totally obliterated.” (February 13)

 

[Chumpsky]

Where I come from, we call these "lies":

A sampling:

• “It knocked out their entire potential nuclear capacity.” (July 16)
• “It’s been obliterated.” (July 31)
• “We obliterated … the future nuclear capability of Iran.” (August 18)
• “But I also obliterated Iran’s nuclear hopes, by totally annihilating their enriched uranium.” (September 20)
• “Well, they don’t have a nuclear program. It was obliterated.” (October 13)
• “… completely obliterated Iran’s nuclear capability.” (November 11)
• “It was called Iran and its nuclear capability, and we obliterated that very quickly and strongly and powerfully.” (November 19)
• “We obliterated their nuclear capability.” (December 11)
• “We knocked out the Iran nuclear threat, and it was obliterated.” (January 8)
• “… obliterated Iran’s nuclear enrichment capability.” (January 20)
• “… achieving total obliteration of the Iran nuclear potential capability — totally obliterated.” (February 13)

customary bravado is next level delusion

 

[yoshi121374]

Where I come from, we call these "lies":

A sampling:

• “It knocked out their entire potential nuclear capacity.” (July 16)
• “It’s been obliterated.” (July 31)
• “We obliterated … the future nuclear capability of Iran.” (August 18)
• “But I also obliterated Iran’s nuclear hopes, by totally annihilating their enriched uranium.” (September 20)
• “Well, they don’t have a nuclear program. It was obliterated.” (October 13)
• “… completely obliterated Iran’s nuclear capability.” (November 11)
• “It was called Iran and its nuclear capability, and we obliterated that very quickly and strongly and powerfully.” (November 19)
• “We obliterated their nuclear capability.” (December 11)
• “We knocked out the Iran nuclear threat, and it was obliterated.” (January 8)
• “… obliterated Iran’s nuclear enrichment capability.” (January 20)
• “… achieving total obliteration of the Iran nuclear potential capability — totally obliterated.” (February 13)

Also... Boy that dude finds a word he loves and will use the hell out of it. He loves him some obliteration.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

More evidence that Cheeto REALLY deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. Give that man his prize. And a new diaper.

And from my viewpoint I suggest fresh mouthwash for you

It would be a fantastic improvement

I recommend you fck your own face.

Consider that church visit Sunday, praying to God and being kind to people

It works for a lot of people

You don’t have to agree with someone just disagree with them in a manner you would want them to disagree with you

I must apologize as I just cannot come to match your responses

Have a great day and God Bless You

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

I was really only talking about foreign countries. The U.S. is obviously no. 1.

Yep USA is 1 as they colonized and terrorized the Native American Indians for hundreds of years

Even got Medal of Honors for multiple horse soldiers in regards to Wounded Knee

Is that about right?

 

[Chumpsky]

And from my viewpoint I suggest fresh mouthwash for you

It would be a fantastic improvement

Consider that church visit Sunday, praying to God and being kind to people

It works for a lot of people

You don’t have to agree with someone just disagree with them in a manner you would want them to disagree with you

I must apologize as I just cannot come to match your responses

Have a great day and God Bless You

I'm kind to people. Fascists like you are not people. You're an entirely different species unworthy of kindness.

 

[Jfcarter3]

Also... Boy that dude finds a word he loves and will use the hell out of it. He loves him some obliteration.

"Radical left" anyone?

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

I'm kind to people. Fascists like you are not people. You're an entirely different species unworthy of kindness.

Take the humanity test

There is a human stranger and your dog you love in the middle of the pond drowning

You can only save one

Which do you save

There is a correct answer to define you

Pick wisely

 

[Chumpsky]

Take the humanity test

There is a human stranger and your dog you love in the middle of the pond drowning

You can only save one

Which do you save

There is a correct answer to define you

Pick wisely

I would absolutely pick the human stranger, but afterwards I would ask them if they voted for Trump in 2024, and if they said yes I'd throw them back in, make them dive until they recovered the body of my dog, and then I'd make them dig a grave and bury it, and if they gave me one word of attitude I'd slap the **** out of them.


Now ask me the same question about my dog and a stranger wearing a Maga hat.

 

[DVearthquake]

Where I come from, we call these "lies":

A sampling:

• “It knocked out their entire potential nuclear capacity.” (July 16)
• “It’s been obliterated.” (July 31)
• “We obliterated … the future nuclear capability of Iran.” (August 18)
• “But I also obliterated Iran’s nuclear hopes, by totally annihilating their enriched uranium.” (September 20)
• “Well, they don’t have a nuclear program. It was obliterated.” (October 13)
• “… completely obliterated Iran’s nuclear capability.” (November 11)
• “It was called Iran and its nuclear capability, and we obliterated that very quickly and strongly and powerfully.” (November 19)
• “We obliterated their nuclear capability.” (December 11)
• “We knocked out the Iran nuclear threat, and it was obliterated.” (January 8)
• “… obliterated Iran’s nuclear enrichment capability.” (January 20)
• “… achieving total obliteration of the Iran nuclear potential capability — totally obliterated.” (February 13)

For one, we didn't even try to bomb the Pickaxe Mountain facility, which is the most hardened one they've got. Why wouldn't we if we thought we could get to it? The simplest explanation is of course that we couldn't or were very unsure, and it would be really bad to both fail and to reveal the limitation.

Trump really shot himself in the foot, as usual, with the “help is on the way” comment. He left himself with no option but to seriously escalate the situation, and the Iranians aren’t budging on his threats.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

I would absolutely pick the human stranger, but afterwards I would ask them if they voted for Trump in 2024, and if they said yes I'd throw them back in, make them dive until they recovered the body of my dog, and then I'd make them dig a grave and bury it, and if they gave me one word of attitude I'd slap the **** out of them.


Now ask me the same question about my dog and a stranger wearing a Maga hat.

Congratulations if you answered truthfully you passed the humanity test

Props for doing the right thing

To be clear if it were Obama , Biden or a Democrat I would not hesitate to save the human

 

[firegiver]

Iran isn't helping either. It is continuing to pursue highly enriched uranium and ballistic missile technology and doesn't appear to be stopping their digging in on that hill.

This is my point. They had stopped under Obama. You may disagree with Obama's method, but it worked. And yes, the Iranian regime. But so is the one in Saudi Arabia, and we have no problem being nice to them.

Trump tore up the agreement with Iran that was working, and here we are. He is threatening Iran - with war - to go back to what was happening when Obama was president.

If we get into a prolonged conflict with Iran, that is 100% on trump. 100% of American casualties - if there are any - will be on trump. These are facts.

Obama Derangment Syndrome prevents people from understanding this fact. It was confirmed by intelligence that Iran began enriching uranium AFTER the Obama deal was torn up. Yall are literally watching Trump do EXACTLY what Israel wants. Tear up that deal, take out Iran. **** is so obvious now especially if you've bothered to read the Epstein files.

 

[Chumpsky]

If it was Trump, I'd save my dog and hopefully have enough time to sit on the bank and watch him sink below the surface. I'm pretty sure I'd be laughing, too.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

If it was Trump, I'd save my dog and hopefully have enough time to sit on the bank and watch him sink below the surface. I'm pretty sure I'd be laughing, too.

In response to your post which I will take as a joke I did consider what if I saw Adolf Hitler in the water

To save 100,000,000 people from dying in WW2 would I save dog

It does make for a connundrum

Life is full of choices snd many have no good choices

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

I'm kind to people. Fascists like you are not people. You're an entirely different species unworthy of kindness.

Kindness should never not be an option

 

[Chumpsky]

In response to your post which I will take as a joke I did consider what if I saw Adolf Hitler in the water

To save 100,000,000 people from dying in WW2 would I save dog

It does make for a connundrum

Life is full of choices snd many have no good choices

It was not a joke. Hitler I'd just shoot.

 

[Chumpsky]

Kindness should never not be an option

Were you laughing when you typed this out? I would have if I were a trump voter typing that sentence out. I still think there's a chance you're a world class troll. Either way, you're one of my favorite posters on the board.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Were you laughing when you typed this out? I would have if I were a trump voter typing that sentence out. I still think there's a chance you're a world class troll. Either way, you're one of my favorite posters on the board.

Not a troll 1974 CU grad

Just try to be a decent human folk

Planning to take a break from TI probably this week and disappear and not spend time on here bickering with folks

My wife two grand children and 2 children are most important to me along with my body needing some work to keep me healthy to make some more years to be around to enjoy my family

And kindness is a virtue If I had to eliminate Hitler I would do it in the most kind and humane way possible

That is just me

 

[Chumpsky]

Not a troll 1974 CU grad

Just try to be a decent human folk

Planning to take a break from TI probably this week and disappear and not spend time on here bickering with folks

My wife two grand children and 2 children are most important to me along with my body needing some work to keep me healthy to make some more years to be around to enjoy my family

And kindness is a virtue If I had to eliminate Hitler I would do it in the most kind and humane way possible

That is just me

LoL I don't give a fck what you're doing with your life. I'm sure I'll appreciate the break as much as your family has appreciated all the time you spend posting.

 

[PawPride]

Tbh I’d probably save my dog over a random person, unless the person was a child

 

[ANEW]

Iran isn't helping either. It is continuing to pursue highly enriched uranium and ballistic missile technology and doesn't appear to be stopping their digging in on that hill.

This is my point. They had stopped under Obama. You may disagree with Obama's method, but it worked. And yes, the Iranian regime. But so is the one in Saudi Arabia, and we have no problem being nice to them.

Trump tore up the agreement with Iran that was working, and here we are. He is threatening Iran - with war - to go back to what was happening when Obama was president.

If we get into a prolonged conflict with Iran, that is 100% on trump. 100% of American casualties - if there are any - will be on trump. These are facts.

Appreciate the clarification but we're still going to disaggree here. Your facts aren't the only facts.

There was room for Iran to cheat / evade monitoring under the obama brokered deal. That deal also did nothing to hinder/prevent Iran from growing capability on the 'weapons delvery' side of the equation, and the $billions that were given to Iran made them stronger and facilitated their spread of terror and suppport of proxies.

But ok. All that aside, after Trump we had another President. He and his party had the ball. What did they do with it?

We all know that those 4 years brought massive expansion of Iran's power, and acceleration of the danger / threat. Iran's nuclear program exploded as did thei influence and support for terror. The Oct 7th attacks (far worse proportionally for Israel than 9/11 was for the US) was the outgrowth.

The position of every administration in the last 30yrs has been that we can't let Iran get a nuclear weapon. Askign Iran to stop is not going to do it. Unfortunately military force is looking like its going to be the the only way to get it done. I believe that even if there is some agreement within the next few weeks, it's only kicking the can down the road. Until there is meaningful regime change in Iran, negotiations will never be a permanent solution, IMO.

 

[nytigerfan]

Appreciate the clarification but we're still going to disaggree here. Your facts aren't the only facts.

There was room for Iran to cheat / evade monitoring under the obama brokered deal. That deal also did nothing to hinder/prevent Iran from growing capability on the 'weapons delvery' side of the equation, and the $billions that were given to Iran made them stronger and facilitated their spread of terror and suppport of proxies.

But ok. All that aside, after Trump we had another President. He and his party had the ball. What did they do with it?

We all know that those 4 years brought massive expansion of Iran's power, and acceleration of the danger / threat. Iran's nuclear program exploded as did thei influence and support for terror. The Oct 7th attacks (far worse proportionally for Israel than 9/11 was for the US) was the outgrowth.

The position of every administration in the last 30yrs has been that we can't let Iran get a nuclear weapon. Askign Iran to stop is not going to do it. Unfortunately military force is looking like its going to be the the only way to get it done. I believe that even if there is some agreement within the next few weeks, it's only kicking the can down the road. Until there is meaningful regime change in Iran, negotiations will never be a permanent solution, IMO.

Iran was complying. They let international inspectors in to confirm it. Trump is trying to fix a problem that he caused.

 

[ANEW]

Where I come from, we call these "lies":

A sampling:

• “It knocked out their entire potential nuclear capacity.” (July 16)
• “It’s been obliterated.” (July 31)
• “We obliterated … the future nuclear capability of Iran.” (August 18)
• “But I also obliterated Iran’s nuclear hopes, by totally annihilating their enriched uranium.” (September 20)
• “Well, they don’t have a nuclear program. It was obliterated.” (October 13)
• “… completely obliterated Iran’s nuclear capability.” (November 11)
• “It was called Iran and its nuclear capability, and we obliterated that very quickly and strongly and powerfully.” (November 19)
• “We obliterated their nuclear capability.” (December 11)
• “We knocked out the Iran nuclear threat, and it was obliterated.” (January 8)
• “… obliterated Iran’s nuclear enrichment capability.” (January 20)
• “… achieving total obliteration of the Iran nuclear potential capability — totally obliterated.” (February 13)

Ok. And?

I'm assuming that if you you are talking about "lies" then it appears to me that you think that Iran still has it's nuclear program that is pursuing nuclear weapons? Right? So what do we do about it? Are they a threat?

 

[fatpiggy]