Yep. If that is your opinion, I guess you can have it without knowing much about the facts.
Minnesota players threaten to boycott Holiday Bowl
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Yep. If that is your opinion, I guess you can have it without knowing much about the facts.
I guess they should probably first he coach as well because according to an article I read on ESPN, he supports the players against the AD and President.
Apparently the kneejerk against "darn delicate snowflake kids and their protests" has grown stronger than the outrage over kneejerk responses to accusations.
I'm torn on this issue. After reading several articles about this, charges will not be brought against these players and apparently there is video of the incident showing the alleged victim was not distressed at all. It appears the university acted out of an abundance of caution to cover its *** when it may not have been merited to take such action.
On the other hand, letting the players take their current stance, however justified it may appear to be, opens a can of worms in situations in the future where players hold a university hostage where it isn't merited.
On the other hand, letting the players take their current stance, however justified it may appear to be, opens a can of worms in situations in the future where players hold a university hostage where it isn't merited.
I forgot that standing up for what you believe in stopped once you signed scholarship papers...again, no charges were filed and they were still suspended/more than likely going to be removed from the team (see also, Tubman LLoyd). It would be like getting dishonorably discharged without being brought up for court-martial.
Well the important thing isn't justice, it's making sure people obey authority and we get to see our sports.
From the Chicago Tribune Article:
"She said her sexual contact with two men may have been consensual, but her contact with four of them was not. Several players told police it was consensual, and an investigator who watched a video Djam took of the incident wrote that "she does not appear to be upset by the sexual activity and does not indicate that she wants it to stop ... and the sexual contact appears entirely consensual."
Good for these players. Stand up for what's right.
"She said her sexual contact with two men may have been consensual, but her contact with four of them was not. Several players told police it was consensual, and an investigator who watched a video Djam took of the incident wrote that "she does not appear to be upset by the sexual activity and does not indicate that she wants it to stop ... and the sexual contact appears entirely consensual."
Good for these players. Stand up for what's right.
Girl was drunk and says that two might have been consensual but other 4 definitely not.
Prosecutor doesn't find enough credible evidence and refuses to press charges.
University steps in and says the players are suspended anyway.
The people who are saying the players should get in line and obey like good little boys...STFU. These kids got screwed apparently or at least haven't been proven guilty, so they in no way should be punished until they provide proof. What kind of "woman" goes to an apartment with 6 males to get drunk. I know what kind of "woman" does, but if I said the name I would be banned. Rhymes with door though.
Prosecutor doesn't find enough credible evidence and refuses to press charges.
University steps in and says the players are suspended anyway.
The people who are saying the players should get in line and obey like good little boys...STFU. These kids got screwed apparently or at least haven't been proven guilty, so they in no way should be punished until they provide proof. What kind of "woman" goes to an apartment with 6 males to get drunk. I know what kind of "woman" does, but if I said the name I would be banned. Rhymes with door though.
Yeah, we would not want these poor, poor insulted guys having to pay for their own education.
What kind of dudes wait at the doorway to go next - dude #6, what kinda guy is that? You can question her - probably rightfully so, but pretty unfair to not question these dudes as well.
If they were my teammates, I not joining a boycott in defense of those actions. Just plain weird.
No doubt it is gross on all accounts. Never would I want to even be a second man lol. If you ain't first your last! For a woman though to allow more than one man go either simultaneous or consecutively....my god woman! Not to mention....SIX!!!
And THAT VERY MOMENT was the start of the decline of the middle class in America. Thank you Ronnie!
Yeah, making people work for a living really does depress the middle class.
You may want to rethink this statement, first think of forced labor in communist countries and then think of the words our country is founded on.
Kids have more sense than the so called adults smearing kids lives in the name of PC and CYA.
Did some one have to say it was before I comment?
It would appear that these teammates are willing to stand by those accused when they believe the accusations are unfair. Each may agree with you that the behavior was ugly or weird, but disagree that the school can punish people for weird legal behavior.
I've been torn as well. What Universities are doing to male students is disturbing. Do they have a right to boycott? I certainly think they have a right to stand up for their friends. Their coach supporting them is what caught my attention. I'm not in favor of the snowflake protests, but this one may be justified. I know one thing, a very deep line in the sand has been drawn. Metaphorically speaking, this won't end withough casualties, probably on both sides.
Leave the ones who don't want to go at home. University would be making a huge mistake by giving in. Revi
That took some world class labyrinthine thinking to come to such a cockamamy conclusion.
That took some world class labyrinthine thinking to come to such a cockamamy conclusion.
Saw this kind of thing in college back in the early 70's. Girls get drunk, especially freshman girls, and they do the damndest things you've ever seen.
Facts or no facts...
The investigation has nothing to do with them. It's really that simple.
You know what would happen if you boycotted your work because someone was wrongfully terminated? You're fired, and you're replaced. Very noble of you, good luck.
Setting these kids up for failure.
This whole scenario is interesting considering the discussion we had here for months about Lloyd
Tubman. I hope that everyone saying that the players that are threatening boycotts should be kicked off the team are all comfortable with their posts about the Tubman issue. Personally, I think that as a scholarship athlete you have a responsibility to your institution to do what you are being paid to do, which is play football, but appreciate the kids defending the guys they play with, as long as they are willing to accept the repercussions of their actions..i.e. losing their scholarships. If they feel that strong, good for them. There are things worth standing up for. But, you have to be willing to accept the repercussions of standing up for them. I just don't like people that say it is bs for kids to boycott at Minnesota, but Lloyd Tubman got screwed. You can't support both incongruent causes.
To play devil's advocate, what kind of "man" is sixth in line having sex with a drunk woman?
He is a fool. He objectifies women and is a selfish hedonist. He is emotionally immature and dangerous to himself and others . He is not a man of character. But, I would say the same about numbers 1-5.
Lloyd T was treated improperly. Nothing his teammates could have done that would have made things work out differently for him. I have no problem with the kids protesting, but they are "paid" to go to that university to play football. They need to do their jobs. If they choose not to play, I'd respect their decision...but they then should not whine when they are "fired" from their jobs..ie lose their scholarships.
the players of wash st should boycott having to play against the vulgar sicko players at Minn.