Mintz returning?

ShadowFromHomewardBound

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You didn’t answer my question. I said what is a modern offense. You said some stuff about out of bounds plays and sets........did they not do that in the old days too?

what is a modern offense?

I absolutely answered. You’re just trying to evade and skirt because you can’t answer, can you?

To me, John Calipari implementing a modern offense would be running an actual offense. With actual plays and schemes. Sets against zone and man to man. Drawn up plays to get your best players the ball. A modern offense, to me (what you asked) would be any combination of the above. Not just “go make a play”. That isn’t an offense.

So now I’ve answered twice. Will you come back again and say I didn’t answer?

Now, what type of offense does John Calipari run? Which schemes and sets? What type of offense? In your opinion, what type of offense did he run last year and can you provide any games/ examples where you noticed this offense being run? You’re insinuating that his “offense” doesn’t need to be changed. Why not? What type of offense is he currently running?

Answers to any of these questions or the original comment would be greatly appreciated in order to have a dialogue.

Thanks man.
 
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Mintz dad really wanting him back, would not be surprised. Main thing though is Mintz really wanting to be back, and not just for his dad. His heart needs to be in winning a championship and not just pleasing someone else. If his heart is into winning it all I would want him more than anyone else to run the one for us. His abilities, his intensity and his experience next to Grady would be interesting to see. Two guards that good and experienced would put us close to having the pieces. Still need a proven scoring big man at the four or five.
 

ShadowFromHomewardBound

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Mintz dad really wanting him back, would not be surprised. Main thing though is Mintz really wanting to be back, and not just for his dad. His heart needs to be in winning a championship and not just pleasing someone else. If his heart is into winning it all I would want him more than anyone else to run the one for us. His abilities, his intensity and his experience next to Grady would be interesting to see. Two guards that good and experienced would put us close to having the pieces. Still need a proven scoring big man at the four or five.

I don’t mean this combatively but even IF Mintz returns we are a long way away from being in the discussion for a title run. I think in the excitement of returning a couple players, we forget this team was 9-16. We will still have an array of issues. There will be many other teams with way more experience playing together and better college players than we will have.

Will we be as bad as 9-16? Probably not but I can definitely see us at 17-13 / 18-12 / 16-13 which would be pretty awful.
 

Tapemaster8

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I don’t mean this combatively but even IF Mintz returns we are a long way away from being in the discussion for a title run. I think in the excitement of returning a couple players, we forget this team was 9-16. We will still have an array of issues. There will be many other teams with way more experience playing together and better college players than we will have.

Will we be as bad as 9-16? Probably not but I can definitely see us at 17-13 / 18-12 / 16-13 which would be pretty awful.
Cal ain't done yet. If he gets the shooters who are "makers", the rest will work out. Not saying a title run, but a team that could go deep in the tournament.
 

Rockfly78

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I absolutely answered. You’re just trying to evade and skirt because you can’t answer, can you?

To me, John Calipari implementing a modern offense would be running an actual offense. With actual plays and schemes. Sets against zone and man to man. Drawn up plays to get your best players the ball. A modern offense, to me (what you asked) would be any combination of the above. Not just “go make a play”. That isn’t an offense.

So now I’ve answered twice. Will you come back again and say I didn’t answer?

Now, what type of offense does John Calipari run? Which schemes and sets? What type of offense? In your opinion, what type of offense did he run last year and can you provide any games/ examples where you noticed this offense being run? You’re insinuating that his “offense” doesn’t need to be changed. Why not? What type of offense is he currently running?

Answers to any of these questions or the original comment would be greatly appreciated in order to have a dialogue.

Thanks man.
You want to make everything about Cal. I didn’t say anything about Cal. Cals offense sucked last year and our players sucked at running whatever it was we were trying to run.

I see the term “modern offense” all the time. What is that exactly? Is dribble penetrate and kick? Is it inside out? Is it a flex or a spread? I don’t think there’s suck a thing as a “modern offense”. No one has reinvented the game in modern times. That’s all I was asking. I see your answer and your answer is fine. But none of that stuff is modern or new. So basically you believe ANY offense is modern because it’s being used in modern times I guess? I suppose it makes sense. What’s an old school offense then? You don’t have to answer, I don’t care.

yeah I didn’t evade anything or insinuate anything. Not sure why you’re so riled up.
 

ShadowFromHomewardBound

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You want to make everything about Cal. I didn’t say anything about Cal. Cals offense sucked last year and our players sucked at running whatever it was we were trying to run.

I see the term “modern offense” all the time. What is that exactly? Is dribble penetrate and kick? Is it inside out? Is it a flex or a spread? I don’t think there’s suck a thing as a “modern offense”. No one has reinvented the game in modern times. That’s all I was asking. I see your answer and your answer is fine. But none of that stuff is modern or new. So basically you believe ANY offense is modern because it’s being used in modern times I guess? I suppose it makes sense. What’s an old school offense then? You don’t have to answer, I don’t care.

yeah I didn’t evade anything or insinuate anything. Not sure why you’re so riled up.

More evasion and deflecting lol. Man you’re not even able to have a dialogue. You asked me, I answered. You accuse me of not answering- I answer again. You deflect AGAIN. Sheesh 😋

Skirting around and saying random things in an effort to ignore the original question (respectfully asked twice). But we both know you’re not able to answer or provide any type of synopsis on what offense he runs. You’re literally unable to. You know it and I know it and everybody reading knows it.



You’ve proved my point man.

I will say this. You’re consistent. It is what it is tho! Be well buddy.
 
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bucsrule8872

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I really really want mintz. Probably more so than anyone else in the portal. But I’m a big fan off pippen too
Agreed. Mintz plays with passion. He is clutch. He is a big shot taker and maker. He just didn’t have the weapons around him.

He is obviously better off the ball, but is serviceable at PG. We need him back first and foremost, then Cal needs to concentrate on finding a PG, that way if we can’t find a really good true PG we have Mintz to fall back on.

And I think Mintz will be fine as a PG, especially in a 4 out, 1 in system like Cal is talking about running.
 

Rockfly78

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More evasion and deflecting lol. Man you’re not even able to have a dialogue. You asked me, I answered. You accuse me of not answering- I answer again. You deflect AGAIN. Sheesh 😋

Skirting around and saying random things in an effort to ignore the original question (respectfully asked twice). But we both know you’re not able to answer or provide any type of synopsis on what offense he runs. You’re literally unable to. You know it and I know it and everybody reading knows it.



You’ve proved my point man.

I will say this. You’re consistent. It is what it is tho! Be well buddy.I asked you a very simple question about basketball in general and you responded with cal sucks cal sucks cal sucks for like 2000 lines.
. I don’t know what offense cal runs. He yells go a lot. Last year they didn’t seem to have any identity at all. We probably agree on that. I asked you a very general basketball question and you proceeded to say cal sucks cal sucks cal sucks cal sucks. Then you asked me about cals offense. Why would you do that?

I don’t care about cal. I’m not a cal guy. I care about winning and at the present time I think he’s our best shot at it. So I’ll take him for now. He sure eats up a lot of space in your brain.

btw, I told you your answer was just fine. I think it’s stupid but that’s ok. I’m not here to tell you your opinion is wrong. It’s like, your opinion man.
 
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megablue

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I really like Mintz a lot and definitely hope he returns. However, I think he can be an adequate back-up PG, as I believe he’s essentially a combo-guard, but I do not like the idea of him being the primary PG. He’s better off-ball.
Additionally, I’d like to see him finish better on his drives to the bucket and I hope his FT-shooting improves dramatically.

 

KyFaninNC

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More evasion and deflecting lol. Man you’re not even able to have a dialogue. You asked me, I answered. You accuse me of not answering- I answer again. You deflect AGAIN. Sheesh 😋

Skirting around and saying random things in an effort to ignore the original question (respectfully asked twice). But we both know you’re not able to answer or provide any type of synopsis on what offense he runs. You’re literally unable to. You know it and I know it and everybody reading knows it.



You’ve proved my point man.

I will say this. You’re consistent. It is what it is tho! Be well buddy.
Told you he is a troll along the lines of BallerCal
 

wildcatdon

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Here is a question? Who is going to provide scoring on the front line? Collins is unproven and Ware is not a scorer. Toppin has potential but we are one injury away from a real ****** front line. If Oscar goes down who do we have? No one. Cal needs Disu or Mitchel or another big center.
 

yoshukai

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In my opinion the Mintz situation is still iffy but a fellow posted out of the Kentucky Network the hyperlink in my original post and I'm sorry you can't open it if you are not a Facebook member. As far as me getting information it's been pretty slim for quite a long run now but I think that situation could improve in the near term.
Always liked you and was glad to see you posted regardless.
 

NoDef

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With new transfer year D-1 ball going to turn into what NAIA once was. Taking a transfer is pretty much risk free, you get developed players and don't have to guess how their game will be on the next level. Mintz was pretty dang good this year and is pretty much how national title teams are going to be built from here on out. The transfer has canceled out the one and done talent.
 
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Rockfly78

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With new transfer year D-1 ball going to turn into what NAIA once was. Taking a transfer is pretty much risk free, you get developed players and don't have to guess how their game will be on the next level. Mintz was pretty dang good this year and is pretty much how national title teams are going to be built from here on out. The transfer has canceled out the one and done talent.
Interesting evolution. The game has changed seemingly overnight.
 

ShadowFromHomewardBound

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With new transfer year D-1 ball going to turn into what NAIA once was. Taking a transfer is pretty much risk free, you get developed players and don't have to guess how their game will be on the next level. Mintz was pretty dang good this year and is pretty much how national title teams are going to be built from here on out. The transfer has canceled out the one and done talent.

Seems like a bit of a reach with all due respect.
 

kyjeff1

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What is a modern offense?
Best thing you can do is watch Georgetown during the 1985 season, that's a typical Cal offense.

Then watch how the best teams are playing right now. The court is spread and 3 point shooting is a much bigger focus.

Under Cal, we're typically at the bottom of the rankings when it comes to 3pt attempts and 3pt makes. We have now had two games where we didn't hit a 3 under Cal, that's bad.

Just watch the 2021 national title game for the best example. Yeah, Baylor ran a lot of iso, but they did it right. They made Gonzaga come out and guard the 3, because they proved they were going to burn them if they were left open and they also proved they will rebound their misses.

There's a huge difference. Cal will continue to run offense through the post, no matter the circumstance. That’s fine when you have KAT or Cousins, but when you have Skal, Jackson, Dakari, Richards or Poythress as your primary big man, it doesn't work.

We were down 15 in Rupp to Alabama with 10 minutes left last season, Cal, proving once again that he's hard headed as hell, ran 10 post plays in a row… ..through Jackson that started with Jackson getting the ball 15' from the basket on the baseline. He never scored, turned the ball over most of the time and he picked up 2 offensive fouls in the process. If you think that's a modern offense, I can't help you.

Anyone that tries to turn guys like Skal or Jackson into back-to-the-basket players is stuck in the 80's.
 
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Rockfly78

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Best thing you can do is watch Georgetown during the 1985 season, that's a typical Cal offense.

Then watch how the best teams are playing right now. The court is spread and 3 point shooting is a much bigger focus.

Under Cal, we're typically at the bottom of the rankings when it comes to 3pt attempts and 3pt makes. We have now had two games where we didn't hit a 3 under Cal, that's bad.

Just watch the 2021 national title game for the best example. Yeah, Baylor ran a lot of iso, but they did it right. They made Gonzaga come out and guard the 3, because they proved they were going to burn them if they were left open and they aldo proved they will rebound their misses.

There's a huge difference. Cal will continue to run offense through the post, no matter the circumstance. That’s fine when you have KAT or Cousins, but when you have Skal, Jackson, Dakari, Richards or Poythress as your primary big man, it doesn't work.

We were down 15 in Rupp to Alabama with 10 minutes left last season, Cal, proving once again that he's hard headed as hell, ran 10 post plays in a row… ..through Jackson that started with Jackson getting the ball 15' from the basket on the baseline. He never scored, turned the ball over most of the time and he picked up 2 offensive fouls in the process. If you think that's a modern offense, I can't help you.

Anyone that tries to turn guys like Skal or Jackson into back-to-the-basket players is stuck in the 80's.
Again, I made 0 mention about ky or Cal. But whatever. You guys just can’t help yourselves.

so I suppose the new modern offense closely resembles Pitinos offense in the 90’s. What I notice is a lot of spread with penetration and kick. It’s interesting that we use the term “modern offense” for something that’s been around forever. The sport has been hashed all the way out and has now become cyclical.
 
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You want to make everything about Cal. I didn’t say anything about Cal. Cals offense sucked last year and our players sucked at running whatever it was we were trying to run.

I see the term “modern offense” all the time. What is that exactly? Is dribble penetrate and kick? Is it inside out? Is it a flex or a spread? I don’t think there’s suck a thing as a “modern offense”. No one has reinvented the game in modern times. That’s all I was asking. I see your answer and your answer is fine. But none of that stuff is modern or new. So basically you believe ANY offense is modern because it’s being used in modern times I guess? I suppose it makes sense. What’s an old school offense then? You don’t have to answer, I don’t care.

yeah I didn’t evade anything or insinuate anything. Not sure why you’re so riled up.

Again, I made 0 mention about ky or Cal. But whatever. You guys just can’t help yourselves.

so I suppose the new modern offense closely resembles Pitinos offense in the 90’s. What I notice is a lot of spread with penetration and kick. It’s interesting that we use the term “modern offense” for something that’s been around forever. The sport has been hashed all the way out and has now become cyclical.
There is a lot of truth in that
 
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kyjeff1

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Again, I made 0 mention about ky or Cal. But whatever. You guys just can’t help yourselves.

so I suppose the new modern offense closely resembles Pitinos offense in the 90’s. What I notice is a lot of spread with penetration and kick. It’s interesting that we use the term “modern offense” for something that’s been around forever. The sport has been hashed all the way out and has now become cyclical.
I'm not sure why you are being argumentative.

So you pointed to UK under Pitino from the 90's, that's a good example of a modern offense. Why are you acting like it's ridiculous to refer to it as a modern offense just because Rick ran with it in the 90's? Nobody said today's modern offense is something new, it's just what's being played right now and it works.

But Cal hasn't been running that, he’s been running the offense through the post, even when he doesn't have an actual post presence.
 
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Rockfly78

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I'm not sure why you are being argumentative.

So you pointed to UK under Pitino from the 90's, that's a good example of a modern offense. Why are you acting like it's ridiculous to refer to it as a modern offense just because Rick ran with it in the 90's? Nobody said today's modern offense is something new, it's just what's being played right now and it works.

But Cal hasn't been running that, he’s been running the offense through the post, even when he doesn't have an actual post presence.
You (and the homeward bound guy) took a very general question about the game of basketball and turned it into a giant diatribe about cals offense last year and you want to ask me why I’m being argumentative?

I also didn’t act like anything is ridiculous like you accused me of. I think it’s interesting that we have come full circle. If you can’t handle the discussion then perhaps you should find yourself a nice cozy Cal-hatin’ thread where you can feel safe. By the way, is Mintz returning or not?

you must be a woman. That’s totally fine. I love women