Mississippi Education Fully Funded
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Nice, brief op-ed piece.
I figure the legislature & Governor’s office thought that they had to at least demonstrate their willingness to fund education fully when they don’t have to since it is doing well in national rankings.
I figure the legislature & Governor’s office thought that they had to at least demonstrate their willingness to fund education fully when they don’t have to since it is doing well in national rankings.
But the university receives tuition which is usually funded by Federal Government student loans. I rather spend state money on public schools.
I am sceptical of just throwing money at education. We need to reduce the number of school districts and the crippling overhead they have. Also, I find it hard to believe the cry of poverty from the higher ed universities when I see millions and millions in construction going on everywhere. Doesn’t compute
Sceptical? That’s UK English.
Seems like your name should be British Bulldog.
Seriously though…
Capital Projects are funded differently — many via Bonds and are from a separate pot…
…much like baseball NIL doesn’t necessarily come from the same pool as football NIL. **
When associate professors are stroking 250k and teaching 3 classes a week. I’m “skeptical “ about the priorities of the school. And tenure is a joke now.
Your analysis reminds me of all the people that say - 'look at the new computers that were just bought for students! The school district could hire more teachers with that money! It doesn't need budget cuts if they can afford all those new laptops!'
Meanwhile, funding for devices comes from a totally different taxation method than funding for employee salaries, and laws state that salaries can't be paid for with the funding that was used to buy new laptops.
Blah blah blah. The definition of “fully funded” keeps changing. The teachers union gnashes their teeth every year demanding more money even though they have been given that year after year after year. And yet? They still are a Dee school district. Money is not the answer. Accountability from schools and parents holding the child to the same is. Schools are not there to rear a child. They are there to teach them. Period
Ideally, yes schools only exist to teach.
But all too often kids come to school tired and/or hungry and/or worried about any number of things in their life outside the classroom and if more basic needs aren't met, then learning doesn't happen or isn't as effective as it otherwise would be.
Maslov's heirarchy and whatnot.
So schools and teachers feed the kids and help the kids process stuff that has nothing to do with class lessons because once those issues are resolved, even in the short term, students learn better.
Ideal and reality are often very different.
Until the ideal can be met, reality needs to be accepted.
Associate professors are making $250k? Where? You have a link to that?
Of course there are associate profs who can make that much money…
They’re generally people who teach in Business and Law…
We ain’t talking about folks in the humanities or liberal arts… at least not usually.
We’ve had posts here about real estate.
If folks at Ole Miss want to keep talented professors given that housing prices in Oxford have skyrocketed, they’ll want to pay them more.
Just Google open the books Mississippi.
Or painting with very broad strokes to get attention
The variation in professors’ salaries according to their programs is well known within higher ed
I encourage anyone who thinks associate professors make 250k to take the slightest look at what associate professors are paid.
Exactly.
He is right. There are associate profs who make 250K.
The number of profs paid that amount though is small and they’re the exceptions to the general rule.
Or they're political payouts. But yes, definitely the exception and not the rule. I would assume there's not one example of that at State or Ole Miss. If there are examples like that at STate or Ole Miss, I would bet their salary is handled by some endowment or third-party funded chair or whatever.
There are examples at Ole Miss and I think you’d win that bet…
First, I don't know if there is a writer that annoys me more than Bobby Harrison. Just slanted as ****. They are at least calling him an editor now, but when they were calling him a reporter, basically every story he wrote was an opinion piece with some slanted facts thrown in. It's particularly annoying how many times he's used the phrase "objective formula" while pretending it means anything.
Second, I'd be curious as to whether any legislators think they are playing a long game on school choice. The Mississippi Student Funding Formula was partly designed to help make state funding more easily portable in the event we get real school choice. So if it passed, the more it is funded the better it is for students utilizing school choice. But it will also make it easier to scare legislators about the cost of school choice if the public schools are no longer subsidized by students that they don't work for. Guessing it's mainly just we have money and we basically just passed the new formula. But eventually school choice is going to be like individual tax rates, where legislators don't believe we can afford to lag other states we compete with.
Eagle's point was to confirm that while some are paid well, it is largely based on subjects taught and it is an exception rather than the rule.
My point is that champdawg’s posts in this thread are pointless nothingburgers…
$250,000 is definitely an exaggeration, but according to chat gpt the average associate professor in mississippi makes $92,240 and teaches 4 to 6 classes a year.
Lets call it 3 one semester and 2 another semester to get the number of hours worked a week.
-3 classes a semester is 9 hours a week in class = 9 hrs of class
-lets call it 1 hr prep for each hour taught. 9 x 1 = 9 hrs prepped (this is likely high considering if you are slightly intelligent you only really have to -prep the first time you teach and then use that lesson plan each semester)
-2 hrs a day office hours (may seem low but you'd be surprised how often professors arent in their office) = 10 hrs a week
-4 hrs of meetings per week
=32 hrs a week ->> lets call it 35
-2 classes a semester is 6 hrs a week = 6 hrs of work/class
-1 x 6 = 6 hrs of prep
-10 office hrs
-4 hrs of meetings per week
=26 hrs a week ->> lets call it 30
a semester is roughly 16 weeks (really like 14 when you count fall break and thanksgiving etc.)
16 x 35 = 560 hrs
16 x 30 = 480 hrs
1040 hours total
Lets say i'm off 20% -->> 1040 x 1.2 = 1,248 hrs
$92,240/1248 hrs = $74/hr plus benefits plus retirment
I don't think any associate professor with a phd in humanities or social sciences should be complaining about $74/hr
Got it. Your reply that i replied to didn't do a good job of making that point.
Yeah I know…
I could have said that directly but I was tired and decided to be nice for once
What associate professors in MS are making that much and in what programs? What percentage of professors are making that much and why is tenure a joke now? And what specific priorities are you skeptical of? Any prof making that much is likely on a 2-2 teaching load, btw, because of research expectations.
And engineering profs. It's great to have a program-specific accrediting agency. You don't have to work in the private sector to make bank.
Let me use an extreme example applicable to only a tiny segment of society to prove a complaint I have about something.
You just made that up, didn't you? BTW, how many humanities and social sciences profs are actually complaining about their salary if it amounts to $74/hour? I'm guessing it's approaching 0 of them. They typically complain about other things but not that salary. But you actually think you're making some valid point with an imagined scenario and a bit of math.
Yeah i just made that entire thread up completely out of thin air. Nothing imagined about my post.
And my point is people talking about salaries. Maybe some complain. Most probably don't, but no one should be including DA liberals complaining for other people.
Turns out according to chatGPT that many complain about that pay. I'm sure i made that up too.
