Monangai > Berger
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Love how every d1 oach was wrong and our astute posters knew all along the better player Absolutely beautiful message board work- stellar
You can go back and see when monangai committed many people were happy. I know multiple people said that we got the right guy. This is not revisionist history. Don’t think d1 coaches got it wrong. Think we got it right. Can’t always be overly impressed with results from combines. More impressed when pads are on. As I said earlier I was more impressed seeing Monangai in person than I was with Berger. Not taking anything away from Berger. But he disappeared in big games and was more of a 3rd down back. And Monangai was the feature back in the bosco running game.
And with both of them I kept begging the O-line to just give them a few blocks. Please, fellas.
They don't need that much.
If "the experts" were never way off Dan Marino wouldn't have lasted so long in the 1st round of the 1983 NFL draft and Tom Brady wouldn't have lasted until the 6th round the year he came out.
Listen, I don't pretend to be an expert or more astute than college recruiters, but you'd have to ask them why they whiffed on Monangai. I'm guessing it was size.
I just know that every time I saw Don Bosco play back when he and Berger were on the team Kyle was the one I thought more likely to make a big play...more explosive. And I was happy to see Rutgers give him a chance.
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I think a combination of both. Brown may be back 100% (we'll never know) but may not trust himself yet.
He is not testing draft waters coming off a foot injury that's not 100% He needs a body of work to go on
I think he meant KM will test the waters, which I also don't see. KM is not getting drafted in the first 3 rounds so he'll be back.
Trust those who know Rice. Shifty , quick yes, top speed not so much so but sorry he was a powerful RB . Don’t remember anyone not saying otherwise. He is , as is Ja Benjamin , as is Guerreri the Florida recruit . I love them since they literally hide behind the B1G uglies. One thing more … seeing him go over to Center Zelinsksis after his TD run and tell him great block tells you Kyle is a special player.
I remember their senior year in high school a number of people who watched both play felt Monangai was the better player no matter how highly touted Berger was.
Rice had legs like trees (had to see him up close in person since high TV didn't show it) and his calfs were bigger than lineman's. Rice used to be able to run very low - often using his arm as a third leg to get him extra YAC. Opposing players (who were always comitted #1 to stopping Rice) always complained how bad their shins hurt after playing Rice.
The Raven's GM (Ozzie Newsom) said he drafted Rice because he saw that he always came out the other side of piles he ran into. Ray also had a wicked stiff arm that could devestate tacklers. Ray didn't have long speed with the short pistons but nobody had more explosion the first 10-15 yards. It took Revis to tackle him from behind when Ray went on a 60 yd romp vs Pitt in 06.
Rice wasn't a bad blocker but not a killer like Monongai. However as an All State DB Rice made almost every tackle on RU turnovers. Rice also had some tricks like hiding behind big OL and grabbing their shirts to be pulled along. Rice was a magician at getting lost in the wash and opposing players complained they often couldn't see him until he was running past them,
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There were guys on this board that were saying for years that Km was better than Berger . They nailed it
It is his blocking that separates him. The hesitation by some linebackers is funny when they blitz lol watch the tape.
I’ll tell about Ray Rice the actual size and build in 2004-2005-2006… He was at most 5-7” 190-195 lbs and then in 2006/came at 205lbs. You are correct his legs were abnormal ( thighs - calfs and butt ) similar to Monangai . Kyle , Benjamin and prior Salaam do the same hide behind a much bigger line than even back then In mid 2000’s .
what you say is exactly what I and others see as well.
Quick for the first 10-20 but top end was nothing overly special . Great RB and legend who luckily found his way to Rutgers. Thank You Greg Schiano and Paul Pasqualoni.
He will absolutely get a look. Great runner and blocker. Need to show that he has hands with more passes out of the backfield.
LOL - when you saw Ray's legs in person you could be surprised he could break a 4.8 40 nevermind 4.4.
Ray was a local and I was following him and New Rochelle in HS - its a reason I ended-up here.
Ray was mostly an All State DB before a senior RB - and he was also the NewRo FG kicker - no soccer style lol
With SO MANY bad lines in NFL a good blocking back is a gem
Even Saquon was a bad blocker
As far as RU running backs go the guy who really impressed me after Rice was Paul James.
That guy was phenomenal and sad to see he couldn't stay on the field
Even Saquon was a bad blocker
As far as RU running backs go the guy who really impressed me after Rice was Paul James.
That guy was phenomenal and sad to see he couldn't stay on the field
Aaron Young. Avery is his brother who played DB, graduated last year.
Yes some may have been happy when KM was coming to RU- but that is far different from declaring him the better prospect. By indicating MOST saw him as preferable to Berger is declaring that GS (and ALL rating services and ALL other coaches) were wrong when he(they) sought berger and not KM.
The relevant point is ALL other coaches found Berger preferable as KM had two offers and RU was a last minute one. So the statement that MOST thought KM better is absolutely false, and just comical to say if wanting to be taken seriously.
If certain posters want ot indicate their blind squirrel find then great and kudos. I have no opinion on their hs play. The only point was the MOST did not believe that and it's outlandish to assert that, and kudos to Km. Just because someone is happy KM coming to RU does not mean MOST saw him as the better prospect as all objective data says otherwise.
This thread is praise for KM and his excellent career and has been drawn into message board I told you so. Congrats some claim they spotted an error no one else did.
Now diamond in the rough finders pray tell who is the next prospect with two offers that will be a Big 10 solid performer as that is a more relevant point??
The relevant point is ALL other coaches found Berger preferable as KM had two offers and RU was a last minute one. So the statement that MOST thought KM better is absolutely false, and just comical to say if wanting to be taken seriously.
If certain posters want ot indicate their blind squirrel find then great and kudos. I have no opinion on their hs play. The only point was the MOST did not believe that and it's outlandish to assert that, and kudos to Km. Just because someone is happy KM coming to RU does not mean MOST saw him as the better prospect as all objective data says otherwise.
This thread is praise for KM and his excellent career and has been drawn into message board I told you so. Congrats some claim they spotted an error no one else did.
Now diamond in the rough finders pray tell who is the next prospect with two offers that will be a Big 10 solid performer as that is a more relevant point??
I agree. Paul James was the real deal when he could stay healthy.
A real bummer when I think of what his career could have been if he could only have avoided some of those injuries.
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RU had 66 offensive plays. Monangai was on the field for 50 of them. That's 76%. Very few RB's, college or pro, play a higher percentage of a team's snaps than that.
Of the remaining 16 plays, Brown had 10 and Young had 6.
A fair comparison, imo, when you watch KM carry the team in the 4th quarter. Like Rice, everyone knew who the ball was going to and still couldn't stop him from moving the chains. In that regard, feels similiar to Rice.
pacheco has that quick burst and then runs like hell on wheels.
Pretty close t it- Zuttah - long career. Stapleton, short career but SB win, Stephenson a handful of years, Fladell, a few different camps but never an active roster and Sosa had an injury and his size may have kept him from playing much.
The backups were Ryan Blaze who was in a couple of camps but played in some different pro leagues, Haslam who got a number of NFL starts and AD who got good play.
With all that said- RR was as special a football player as they come. When you realize that if he had stayed a Senior season- 90% chance he would have been college football all time leader in rushing yards.