Monday morning thoughts from the weekend

Coach34

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I was in Dallas this weekend for my wife's 20 yr class reunion...only saw half of LSU game but was lucky enough to watch the first 3 quarters of our game...

1. I can put into words how miserable I thought this weekend was going to be. They had get-together's planned for Friday night, Saturday afternoon, and Saturday night. And I was expected to go to all of them. Since I only have 3 friends, you can imagine how much I hate being around a bunch of people I don't give a **** about.

2. We arrive in Dallas that afternoon, and the wife looks over at me and says- "you're not too excited about tonight are ya?". I replied in my best sarcastic tone- "no babyyyy, it's going to be wonderfullllllll"...she laughs and then looks at me and says "would you rather go to the Rangers-Yankees game tonight by yourself? Because I have this ticket for ya and all...." She set me up in RF, 15 rows up...I have to give my little band geek her props, I didnt see that one coming. Seeing the Rangers clinch a trip to the World Series over the Yankees was awesome. That place was most electric I've seen a baseball game.

3. We were flat. I can't understand why so many of you can't grasp that. We didnt block well, Ralph struggled throwing, Ballard was out. The defense didnt have the same intensity- it was obvious. These things happen every week, in all levels of football. How did Texas handle their big win over Nebraska? How did SC fare the next week after Bama? Even the Mississippi Bears followed up their big road win over Tulane this season by losing at home to Vandy. We got a win when we weren't at full strength and were tired from traveling the last 2 weeks and the emotion of beating Fla. Be happy and enjoy the good times.

4. With that said, you can still analyze what happened without going overboard. You people saying "we won't win another game playing like that" kill me. Well, no **** Doctor. Why don't you follow that quote up with- "if our guys dont drink fluids on the sidelines, they will get dehydrated"....We didnt intend on playing like that Saturday night, but sometimes your body just doesnt respond the way you want it to. Football is physically and emotionally draining. Certain people being hurt and out of the line-up hurt more than others- especially on offense. Offense requires 11 people being in sync to be effective- one 17-up can kill a play even when the other 10 people have done their jobs perfectly. Also, why isn't Heavens more involved? He is a weapon

5. LSU is doing exactly what we were doing to start the season. Trying to play 2 different QB's with 2 different skill sets. It doesnt work unless one is a specialty player like Leak/Tebow. Tebow wasnt coming in to take over entire series- he was short yardage and goalline. That makes it work. Trying to incorporate entire playlists for each QB is not going to work. Your offense has no identity. If Les doesnt settle on an identity in these 2 weeks- they have no chance to beat Bama in my opinion. I talked about this after our loss to LSU- and what do you know? We scrapped it after LSU, have stuck with Ralph, and we are undefeated ever since.

6. It's still funny to me that a few people on here didnt want us to bring in Cam Newton because we already had Russell.

ok, now for the main event- Ralph and Russell


Ralph is our QB. Get over it folks. There will be no Tyler Russell starting at QB for us unless Ralph gets hurt. I want Ralph to throw the ball better too, but what he gives us in the run-game is what helps make us hard to deal with. Ask Urban Meyer- he even mentioned it after their game. We have to live with what he gives us and hope for the best. Russell isn't going to be the guy right now. It's not going to happen in 2010. Why you ask? We would have to change up the offense and change the way we practice to insert Tyler Russell at QB. Tyler Russell is not a Spread-<span style="text-decoration:underline">option</span> QB. He is a Spread QB. There is a difference:

A spread-option QB can run the ball 8-10 times a game at a minimum and more if needed.
A spread-option QB can take the pounding of carrying the ball that much.
A spread-option QB spends at least 60% of practice time working on the <span style="text-decoration:underline">run</span> game.

You guys wanting Russell to be the QB- ask yourself- does that sound like I'm describing Tyler? If you think the answer is yes, you don't know **** about football.

A Spread QB runs when he has to and that is mostly when having to scramble. He may also run when he sees an open running lane due the D playing man and stuck in coverage.
You really dont want to see your Spread QB getting hit very much.
A Spread QB works at least <span style="text-decoration:underline">60% of practice on the passing game</span>- working on timing, WR's getting plenty of work catching the ball, route adjustments, hot routes, blitz pick-ups, and the constant quick slant to beat man coverage.

Now then, if you think this describes Russell, we are in complete agreement.

At Miss State right now, we run a Spread-option offense. And until we decide to make that change, and change the way we practice, Ralph is going to be the starting QB. We are going to have to make that change at some point because of the personnel we have and what we are recruiting. Will it be this Spring? I don't know. I, myself, dont see us starting Ralph this entire season only to see us put him on the bench next season in favor of Russell. I think Ralph should be the starter next season, with Russell coming in 2-3 series a game next year with a hurry-up, 2 min type package to give the defense another look to prepare for. And that's all Russell does- that would be his role. But who knows at this point.

All I do know, is that ever since we stopped playing Russell- we are 5-0. That is a fact that cannot be disputed. And that's the bottom line.
 

Coach34

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I was in Dallas this weekend for my wife's 20 yr class reunion...only saw half of LSU game but was lucky enough to watch the first 3 quarters of our game...

1. I can put into words how miserable I thought this weekend was going to be. They had get-together's planned for Friday night, Saturday afternoon, and Saturday night. And I was expected to go to all of them. Since I only have 3 friends, you can imagine how much I hate being around a bunch of people I don't give a **** about.

2. We arrive in Dallas that afternoon, and the wife looks over at me and says- "you're not too excited about tonight are ya?". I replied in my best sarcastic tone- "no babyyyy, it's going to be wonderfullllllll"...she laughs and then looks at me and says "would you rather go to the Rangers-Yankees game tonight by yourself? Because I have this ticket for ya and all...." She set me up in RF, 15 rows up...I have to give my little band geek her props, I didnt see that one coming. Seeing the Rangers clinch a trip to the World Series over the Yankees was awesome. That place was most electric I've seen a baseball game.

3. We were flat. I can't understand why so many of you can't grasp that. We didnt block well, Ralph struggled throwing, Ballard was out. The defense didnt have the same intensity- it was obvious. These things happen every week, in all levels of football. How did Texas handle their big win over Nebraska? How did SC fare the next week after Bama? Even the Mississippi Bears followed up their big road win over Tulane this season by losing at home to Vandy. We got a win when we weren't at full strength and were tired from traveling the last 2 weeks and the emotion of beating Fla. Be happy and enjoy the good times.

4. With that said, you can still analyze what happened without going overboard. You people saying "we won't win another game playing like that" kill me. Well, no **** Doctor. Why don't you follow that quote up with- "if our guys dont drink fluids on the sidelines, they will get dehydrated"....We didnt intend on playing like that Saturday night, but sometimes your body just doesnt respond the way you want it to. Football is physically and emotionally draining. Certain people being hurt and out of the line-up hurt more than others- especially on offense. Offense requires 11 people being in sync to be effective- one 17-up can kill a play even when the other 10 people have done their jobs perfectly. Also, why isn't Heavens more involved? He is a weapon

5. LSU is doing exactly what we were doing to start the season. Trying to play 2 different QB's with 2 different skill sets. It doesnt work unless one is a specialty player like Leak/Tebow. Tebow wasnt coming in to take over entire series- he was short yardage and goalline. That makes it work. Trying to incorporate entire playlists for each QB is not going to work. Your offense has no identity. If Les doesnt settle on an identity in these 2 weeks- they have no chance to beat Bama in my opinion. I talked about this after our loss to LSU- and what do you know? We scrapped it after LSU, have stuck with Ralph, and we are undefeated ever since.

6. It's still funny to me that a few people on here didnt want us to bring in Cam Newton because we already had Russell.

ok, now for the main event- Ralph and Russell


Ralph is our QB. Get over it folks. There will be no Tyler Russell starting at QB for us unless Ralph gets hurt. I want Ralph to throw the ball better too, but what he gives us in the run-game is what helps make us hard to deal with. Ask Urban Meyer- he even mentioned it after their game. We have to live with what he gives us and hope for the best. Russell isn't going to be the guy right now. It's not going to happen in 2010. Why you ask? We would have to change up the offense and change the way we practice to insert Tyler Russell at QB. Tyler Russell is not a Spread-<span style="text-decoration:underline">option</span> QB. He is a Spread QB. There is a difference:

A spread-option QB can run the ball 8-10 times a game at a minimum and more if needed.
A spread-option QB can take the pounding of carrying the ball that much.
A spread-option QB spends at least 60% of practice time working on the <span style="text-decoration:underline">run</span> game.

You guys wanting Russell to be the QB- ask yourself- does that sound like I'm describing Tyler? If you think the answer is yes, you don't know **** about football.

A Spread QB runs when he has to and that is mostly when having to scramble. He may also run when he sees an open running lane due the D playing man and stuck in coverage.
You really dont want to see your Spread QB getting hit very much.
A Spread QB works at least <span style="text-decoration:underline">60% of practice on the passing game</span>- working on timing, WR's getting plenty of work catching the ball, route adjustments, hot routes, blitz pick-ups, and the constant quick slant to beat man coverage.

Now then, if you think this describes Russell, we are in complete agreement.

At Miss State right now, we run a Spread-option offense. And until we decide to make that change, and change the way we practice, Ralph is going to be the starting QB. We are going to have to make that change at some point because of the personnel we have and what we are recruiting. Will it be this Spring? I don't know. I, myself, dont see us starting Ralph this entire season only to see us put him on the bench next season in favor of Russell. I think Ralph should be the starter next season, with Russell coming in 2-3 series a game next year with a hurry-up, 2 min type package to give the defense another look to prepare for. And that's all Russell does- that would be his role. But who knows at this point.

All I do know, is that ever since we stopped playing Russell- we are 5-0. That is a fact that cannot be disputed. And that's the bottom line.
 

Hanmudog

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Iam shocked that a woman would actually marry you.

On another note: Remember your own words about players being tired from traveling, us not being at full strength,and just enjoying the win when basketball season starts.
 

Coach34

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Hanmudog said:
Iam shocked that a woman would actually marry you.

On another note: Remember your own words about players being tired from traveling, us not being at full strength,and just enjoying the win when basketball season starts.


we pull out a win- that's fine. But, let's also remember basketball and football are two different animals, and the tired excuse doesnt really fly in basketball. Hell, teams win conference tourney's playing 4 straight days all the time. And some like Georgia, do it by playing 2 games in one day
 

DawgatAuburn

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July 2010
http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com?topic=48728
Miles beats Saban in BR to put the LSU faithful in better spirits
August 2010
http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com/sreply/364492
I think they win at least 8 and take Saban down in BR...people are
underestimating the people they have on defense.
Sept 2010
http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com/sreply/381611
LSU is good on defense
LSU has 2 weeks to get ready for the first time since Saban has been at Bama
LSU is at home
Miles team in 2008 was worse than this one, and Bama had to go to OT to win in BR


Alabama may very well win, but that game is going to be a 17'ing war
October 2010
Perhaps the backtracking really started in September, not October......but now we have reach full fledged backtrack mode with this....
If Les doesnt settle on an identity in these 2 weeks- they have no chance to beat Bama in my opinion.
 

Coach34

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I made that prediction and have to live with it. I'm stuck with it without a doubt.

But you are a fully functioning individual (I think) and you can see that teams progress, regress, and everything in between during a season. I believe if Miles has inserted Lee and stuck with him they would be a much better football team on offense than they are now. LSU will play Bama well with their D and it will be good enough to give them a chance to win the game if the offense can help them at all. With what they are doing at QB right now- I'm not sure the offense can.

Quit trying to start **** just to start ****
 

DawgatAuburn

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You apparently didn't need to see the season play out to see what LSU had on defense and where thy bye week fell. Those things haven't changed. And Bama is not nearly the invincible machine that they appeared to be in July-September, but now that you have seen how awful LSU's offense is and how they are, without a doubt, 7-1 IN SPITE of their head coach, now it's not a sure thing. Les has had ample opportunity to go with Lee, but as you tell us all the time, the coaches see the players every day in practice and go with the QB that gives them the best chance to win, and since LSU was undefeated until Saturday, it was impossible to argue that JJ was the wrong choice. I just think it's funny that it's gone from sure thing, to it's gonna be a war, to it will be Les Miles' fault if LSU doesn't win.
 

lawdawg02

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5. LSU is doing exactly what we were doing to start the season. Trying to play 2 different QB's with 2 different skill sets. It doesnt work unless one is a specialty player like Leak/Tebow. Tebow wasnt coming in to take over entire series- he was short yardage and goalline. That makes it work. Trying to incorporate entire playlists for each QB is not going to work. Your offense has no identity. If Les doesnt settle on an identity in these 2 weeks- they have no chance to beat Bama in my opinion. I talked about this after our loss to LSU- and what do you know? We scrapped it after LSU, have stuck with Ralph, and we are undefeated ever since.

I think Ralph should be the starter next season, with Russell coming in 2-3 series a game next year with a hurry-up, 2 min type package to give the defense another look to prepare for. And that's all Russell does- that would be his role.

I don't see how his 2-3 series per game next year would be any different than giving him some series this year, other than his 1 year of experience. And if you're saying that he'll have a different package next year, doesn't thatconflict with the "no offensive identity" argument?

/I agree with Ralph being the QB. I also think that Russell can be used in some cases. I thought he should've gotten a series somewhere in the UAB game, maybe late first half. Not trying to start an argument, just wondering why you think it would be different next year. I completely agree with the notion that the offense needs an identity.

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Coach34

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I'm talking a "Tyler Russell shotgun, 2 minute package"...and thats all he does. He will have a small group of plays he comes in with, 4 and 5 wide, high tempo...

Not be like where Jefferson gets 50% reps with the 1st O and runs his plays, and Lee gets 50% reps with the first O running his plays.
 

57stratdawg

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It's not like our offense is great or anything. Relf's inadequacies as a passer is what wrong with the offense. The OL pass blocked extremely well against UAB. Relf had 4 or 5 seconds on almost every throw. Yet, he still left about 100 yards and 2 TDs on the field because of his accurate arm.

We will NEVER make the jump to beating Bama, Auburn, or LSU's of the world with Relf at QB. We are too one dimensional.We did beat Florida at Florida, but this is their worse team in a decade. If we played UGA today, they'd win by 2 TDs.

Mullen has talked alot about adjusting his offense to the personnel on the team, thats what will happen at MSU in the next year or two. Look at the WRs we've added over the last 2 signing classes. Mullen is getting Russell weapons, I'm sorry that pisses you off Coach.
 

Hidog78

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Twenty something carries for 55 yds, that's one hell of an option. Eight of sixteen for 102yds or something like that, that's one hell of an option. With that many options no wonder our OC can't decide on which WR swept to run.
 

Coach34

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" Relf's inadequacies as a passer is what wrong with the offense. The OL pass blocked extremely well against UAB. Relf had 4 or 5 seconds on almost every throw"

We threw 19 passes and had 53 runs...obviously, the run blocking is much more important to what we do. And we had trouble running the ball at times. I remember one sequence when we had 2nd and 1, then 3rd and 1, and then 4th and 1- having to punt. UAB stuffing us like that means we didnt block upfront very well.

"We will NEVER make the jump to beating Bama, Auburn, or LSU's of the world with Relf at QB. We are too one dimensional.We did beat Florida at Florida, but this is their worse team in a decade. If we played UGA today, they'd win by 2 TDs"

blah, blah, blah...we did beat Georgia with Relf. we did beat Fla with Relf. We are 5-0 since we stopped playing Russell at QB and got an identity on offense.

"Mullen has talked alot about adjusting his offense to the personnel on the team, thats what will happen at MSU in the next year or two. Look at the WRs we've added over the last 2 signing classes. Mullen is getting Russell weapons, I'm sorry that pisses you off Coach"


well, thank you again Doctor. What's next? You gonna tell me that eating fried foods and ice cream leads to weight gain? Why are you telling me what I just posted? Obviously we are going to have to transition to the Spread and away from the option game. It has to happen in 2012 because Ralph graduates and we havent signed that big dual-threat recruit to take his place. The big question is will it happen in 2011? Maybe, I'm just not sure we will sit a 5th year Sr down that has the only starting QB experience on the team.
 

klerushund

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<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">"All I do know, is that ever since we stopped playing Russell- we are 5-0. That is a fact that cannot be disputed. And that's the bottom line." - Coach34</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">
</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">Well actually, that's completely disputable. Russell played in the Alcorn & Houston games. He was personally responsible for 23% of the offense in the former and 20% in the latter. That's the real bottom line.</span></font></div>
 

MSUCosmo

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It really is Taite and Madkin all over again. If Tyler was a white kid, we'd have fights in the stands....
 

ckDOG

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2. We arrive in Dallas that afternoon, and the wife looks over at me and says- "you're not too excited about tonight are ya?". I replied in my best sarcastic tone- "no babyyyy, it's going to be wonderfull"...she laughs and then looks at me and says "would you rather go to the Rangers-Yankees game tonight by yourself? Because I have this ticket for ya and all...." She set me up in RF, 15 rows up...I have to give my little band geek her props, I didnt see that one coming. Seeing the Rangers clinch a trip to the World Series over the Yankees was awesome. That place was most electric I've seen a baseball game.

So, you got to go to the game by yourself? You either have a really awesome wife or Mrs.34 hasn't seen Coach33 in a veryyyy long time...
 

Coach34

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while she went to meet up with 6 or 7 of her woman friends and talked for hours...the two husbands in attendance with them were not very happy campers upon hearing I went to the game so I'm told
 

patdog

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TV announcers were talking about us being a 2-QB team up until this past weekend, but the fact is we've been a 1-QB team since the Georgia game. Russell just played some in the 2nd half of a couple of blowouts. But even in those games, Relf played until the games were in hand.
 

hatfieldms

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Are you really bringing up two blowouts whee he was garbage time as proof we have not gotten away from the 2 QB system