More bad news for global warming alarmists

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It seems the global warming models have indeed not been very accurate with an article written by two global warming alarmists. In addition, a beat down of a Stanford global warming nut.

BLACK MONDAY FOR THE CLIMATISTAS
Most climatistas are going to call today “Black Monday,” because today has dealt a double-whammy of what Al Gore would call inconvenient news.

First, an article out today in Nature Geoscience ponders the problem of why observed temperatures in the troposphere are not matching up with what the climate models have predicted. The lead author, Ben Santer, is one of the leading climatistas, so this article can’t be written off as “denier” distortions. (One of the co-authors is Michael Mann.) The complete article is behind a paywall, and while it is evident that the authors have done all the necessary contortions that essentially say “our models are just a little off” so as to convey a “nothing to see here” conclusion, the abstract can hardly be reassuring because it has to concede the problem:

Causes of differences in model and satellite tropospheric warming rates

Ben Santer, et al.

Abstract

In the early twenty-first century, satellite-derived tropospheric warming trends were generally smaller than trends estimated from a large multi-model ensemble. Because observations and coupled model simulations do not have the same phasing of natural internal variability, such decadal differences in simulated and observed warming rates invariably occur. Here we analyse global-mean tropospheric temperatures from satellites and climate model simulations to examine whether warming rate differences over the satellite era can be explained by internal climate variability alone. We find that in the last two decades of the twentieth century, differences between modelled and observed tropospheric temperature trends are broadly consistent with internal variability. Over most of the early twenty-first century, however, model tropospheric warming is substantially larger than observed; warming rate differences are generally outside the range of trends arising from internal variability. The probability that multi-decadal internal variability fully explains the asymmetry between the late twentieth and early twenty-first century results is low (between zero and about 9%). It is also unlikely that this asymmetry is due to the combined effects of internal variability and a model error in climate sensitivity. We conclude that model overestimation of tropospheric warming in the early twenty-first century is partly due to systematic deficiencies in some of the post-2000 external forcings used in the model simulations.

Second, one of the heroes of the climate fantasists is Stanford’s Mark Jacobson, who has been arguing for some time now that the U.S. can get to 100 percent renewable electricity (wind, solar, and hydro) by the year 2050. His work is preposterous, and as I noted here once before, Jacobson is regarded as a joke by most of his Stanford colleagues. Some of them (along with heavyweight energy academics from Berkeley, MIT, and elsewhere—there are a total of 21 authors signed on) have joined a major article out today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that thoroughly rubbishes Jacobson’s fantasies:

Evaluation of a proposal for reliable low-cost grid power with 100% wind, water, and solar

Abstract

A number of analyses, meta-analyses, and assessments, including those performed by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, and the International Energy Agency, have concluded that deployment of a diverse portfolio of clean energy technologies makes a transition to a low-carbon-emission energy system both more feasible and less costly than other pathways. In contrast, Jacobson et al. [Jacobson MZ, Delucchi MA, Cameron MA, Frew BA (2015) Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 112(49):15060–15065] argue that it is feasible to provide “low-cost solutions to the grid reliability problem with 100% penetration of WWS [wind, water and solar power] across all energy sectors in the continental United States between 2050 and 2055”, with only electricity and hydrogen as energy carriers. In this paper, we evaluate that study and find significant shortcomings in the analysis. In particular, we point out that this work used invalid modeling tools, contained modeling errors, and made implausible and inadequately supported assumptions. Policy makers should treat with caution any visions of a rapid, reliable, and low-cost transition to entire energy systems that relies almost exclusively on wind, solar, and hydroelectric power.

Translated from the politesse of formal academic writing, this means: Jacobson is full of crap. If you need confirmation, just consider that Jacobson has responded by attacking his critics in ad hominem fashion, rather than their arguments, telling the MIT Technology Reviewthat “They’re either nuclear advocates or carbon sequestration advocates or fossil-fuels advocates. They don’t like the fact that we’re getting a lot of attention, so they’re trying to diminish our work.” (By the way—who has been giving Jacobson “a lot of attention”? Actor Mark Ruffalo and activist Van Jones in particular Not exactly a compelling rebuttal. And totally incorrect about the authors of the new PNAS study, many of whom (I know some of them) are totally convinced climateers and dedicated energy decarbonizers. They just don’t like B.S.
 

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Take A Look At The New ‘Consensus’ On Global Warming

MICHAEL BASTASCH AND RYAN MAUE


10:00 PM 06/19/2017


A scientific consensus has emerged among top mainstream climate scientists that “skeptics” or “lukewarmers” were not long ago derided for suggesting — there was a nearly two-decade long “hiatus” in global warming that climate models failed to accurately predict or replicate.

A new paper, led by climate scientist Benjamin Santer, adds to the ever-expanding volume of “hiatus” literature embracing popular arguments advanced by skeptics, and even uses satellite temperature datasets to show reduced atmospheric warming.

More importantly, the paper discusses the failure of climate models to predict or replicate the “slowdown” in early 21st century global temperatures, which was another oft-derided skeptic observation.

“In the early twenty-first century, satellite-derived tropospheric warming trends were generally smaller than trends estimated from a large multi-model ensemble,” reads the abstract of Santer’s paper, which was published Monday.

“Over most of the early twenty-first century, however, model tropospheric warming is substantially larger than observed,” reads the abstract, adding that “model overestimation of tropospheric warming in the early twenty-first century is partly due to systematic deficiencies in some of the post-2000 external forcings used in the model simulations.”

The paper caught some prominent critics of global climate models by surprise. Dr. Roger Pielke, Sr. tweeted “WOW!” after he read the abstract, which concedes “model tropospheric warming is substantially larger than observed” for most of the early 21st Century.

It’s more than a little shocking.

Santer recently co-authored a separate paper that purported to debunk statements EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt made that global warming had “leveled off.” But Santer’s paper only evaluated a selectively-edited and out-of-context portion of Pruitt’s statement by removing the term “hiatus.”

Moreover, climate scientists mocked Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz for talking about the global warming “hiatus” during a 2015 congressional hearing. Instead, activist scientists worked hard to airbrush the global warming slowdown from data records and advance media claim that it was a “myth.”

Santer and Carl Mears, who operate the Remote Sensing System satellite temperature dataset, authored a lengthy blog post in 2016 critical of Cruz’s contention there was an 18-year “hiatus” in warming that climate models didn’t predict.

They argued “examining one individual 18-year period is poor statistical practice, and of limited usefulness” when evaluating global warming.

“Don’t cherry-pick; look at all the evidence, not just the carefully selected evidence that supports a particular point of view,” Santers and Mears concluded.

Cruz’s hearing, of course, was the same year the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) released its “pause-busting” study. The study by lead author Tom Karl purported to eliminate the “hiatus” from the global surface temperature record by adjusting ocean data upwards to correct for “biases” in the data.

Democrats and environmentalists praised Karl’s work, which came out before the Obama administration unveiled its carbon dioxide regulations for power plants. Karl’s study also came out months before U.N. delegates hashed out the Paris agreement on climate change.

Karl’s study was “verified” in 2016 in a paper led by University of California-Berkeley climate scientist Zeke Hausfather, but even then there were lingering doubts among climate scientists.

Then, in early 2016, mainstream scientists admitted the climate model trends did not match observations — a coup for scientists like Patrick Michaels and Chip Knappenberger who have been pointing out flaws in model predictions for years.

John Christy, who collects satellite temperature data out of the University of Alabama-Huntsville, has testified before Congress on the failure of models to predict recent global warming.

Christy’s research has shown climate models show 2.5 times more warming in the bulk atmosphere than satellites and weather balloons have observed.

Now, he and Santer seem to be on the same page — the global warming “hiatus” is real and the models didn’t see it coming.

Santer’s paper argues the “hiatus” or “slowdown” in warming “has provided the scientific community with a valuable opportunity to advance understanding” of the climate system and how to model it.

What’s interesting, though, is Santer and his co-authors say their paper is “unlikely to reconcile the divergent schools of thought regarding the causes of differences between modeled and observed warming rates.”

In other words, the “uncertainty monster” is still a problem.

Ryan Maue is a PhD meteorologist at WeatherBELL Analytics and an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute. Follow Ryan on Twitter
 

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Take A Look At The New ‘Consensus’ On Global Warming

MICHAEL BASTASCH AND RYAN MAUE


10:00 PM 06/19/2017


A scientific consensus has emerged among top mainstream climate scientists that “skeptics” or “lukewarmers” were not long ago derided for suggesting — there was a nearly two-decade long “hiatus” in global warming that climate models failed to accurately predict or replicate.

A new paper, led by climate scientist Benjamin Santer, adds to the ever-expanding volume of “hiatus” literature embracing popular arguments advanced by skeptics, and even uses satellite temperature datasets to show reduced atmospheric warming.

More importantly, the paper discusses the failure of climate models to predict or replicate the “slowdown” in early 21st century global temperatures, which was another oft-derided skeptic observation.

“In the early twenty-first century, satellite-derived tropospheric warming trends were generally smaller than trends estimated from a large multi-model ensemble,” reads the abstract of Santer’s paper, which was published Monday.

“Over most of the early twenty-first century, however, model tropospheric warming is substantially larger than observed,” reads the abstract, adding that “model overestimation of tropospheric warming in the early twenty-first century is partly due to systematic deficiencies in some of the post-2000 external forcings used in the model simulations.”

The paper caught some prominent critics of global climate models by surprise. Dr. Roger Pielke, Sr. tweeted “WOW!” after he read the abstract, which concedes “model tropospheric warming is substantially larger than observed” for most of the early 21st Century.

It’s more than a little shocking.

Santer recently co-authored a separate paper that purported to debunk statements EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt made that global warming had “leveled off.” But Santer’s paper only evaluated a selectively-edited and out-of-context portion of Pruitt’s statement by removing the term “hiatus.”

Moreover, climate scientists mocked Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz for talking about the global warming “hiatus” during a 2015 congressional hearing. Instead, activist scientists worked hard to airbrush the global warming slowdown from data records and advance media claim that it was a “myth.”

Santer and Carl Mears, who operate the Remote Sensing System satellite temperature dataset, authored a lengthy blog post in 2016 critical of Cruz’s contention there was an 18-year “hiatus” in warming that climate models didn’t predict.

They argued “examining one individual 18-year period is poor statistical practice, and of limited usefulness” when evaluating global warming.

“Don’t cherry-pick; look at all the evidence, not just the carefully selected evidence that supports a particular point of view,” Santers and Mears concluded.

Cruz’s hearing, of course, was the same year the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) released its “pause-busting” study. The study by lead author Tom Karl purported to eliminate the “hiatus” from the global surface temperature record by adjusting ocean data upwards to correct for “biases” in the data.

Democrats and environmentalists praised Karl’s work, which came out before the Obama administration unveiled its carbon dioxide regulations for power plants. Karl’s study also came out months before U.N. delegates hashed out the Paris agreement on climate change.

Karl’s study was “verified” in 2016 in a paper led by University of California-Berkeley climate scientist Zeke Hausfather, but even then there were lingering doubts among climate scientists.

Then, in early 2016, mainstream scientists admitted the climate model trends did not match observations — a coup for scientists like Patrick Michaels and Chip Knappenberger who have been pointing out flaws in model predictions for years.

John Christy, who collects satellite temperature data out of the University of Alabama-Huntsville, has testified before Congress on the failure of models to predict recent global warming.

Christy’s research has shown climate models show 2.5 times more warming in the bulk atmosphere than satellites and weather balloons have observed.

Now, he and Santer seem to be on the same page — the global warming “hiatus” is real and the models didn’t see it coming.

Santer’s paper argues the “hiatus” or “slowdown” in warming “has provided the scientific community with a valuable opportunity to advance understanding” of the climate system and how to model it.

What’s interesting, though, is Santer and his co-authors say their paper is “unlikely to reconcile the divergent schools of thought regarding the causes of differences between modeled and observed warming rates.”

In other words, the “uncertainty monster” is still a problem.

Ryan Maue is a PhD meteorologist at WeatherBELL Analytics and an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute. Follow Ryan on Twitter
At least you're reading legitimate authors work.
 

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At least you're reading legitimate authors work.

You mean authors you agree with, right? I've posted many times that the satellite data shows little to no warming and you have discounted it each time. Despite the fact, those research articles were, in some cases, peer reviewed and written by experts.
 

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And I can post studies that show he is right. BTW, I cannot read the Wash Post piece due to firewall.

The science is not SETTLED except in the minds of global warming alarmists and the liberal media.
 

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You mean authors you agree with, right? I've posted many times that the satellite data shows little to no warming and you have discounted it each time. Despite the fact, those research articles were, in some cases, peer reviewed and written by experts.
I don't agree with Maue or Bastardi on this issue, but they are legitimate climate scientists and their opinions should be taken seriously.

Most of what you post on the subject of climate change are from scientists that are NOT established in the complex field of climatology, and MOST are on the payroll of oil or energy companies for the specific purpose of slowing the public's opinion for the subject of substantial change to reverse the trend of climate change.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-02520-7
 

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I don't agree with Maue or Bastardi on this issue, but they are legitimate climate scientists and their opinions should be taken seriously.

Most of what you post on the subject of climate change are from scientists that are NOT established in the complex field of climatology, and MOST are on the payroll of oil or energy companies for the specific purpose of slowing the public's opinion for the subject of substantial change to reverse the trend of climate change.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-02520-7

LOL. Who are you to decide if a scientist is "established?" Most are on the payroll of energy companies? Prove it. More importantly, I can claim that most warmists get their funding to prove global warming be it from governments or private funding sources.

The climate has always changed and always will. We have had periods long ago much warmer than today with no industrialization. We have had periods long ago with more CO2 in the atmosphere and much cooler than today.
 

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LOL. Who are you to decide if a scientist is "established?" Most are on the payroll of energy companies? Prove it. More importantly, I can claim that most warmists get their funding to prove global warming be it from governments or private funding sources.

The climate has always changed and always will. We have had periods long ago much warmer than today with no industrialization. We have had periods long ago with more CO2 in the atmosphere and much cooler than today.
"Warmists"....."leftists"..... you are such a lost soul. You need more church, rage has overtaken your logic. :victory:
 

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"Warmists"....."leftists"..... you are such a lost soul. You need more church, rage has overtaken your logic. :victory:

Libs use the term "deniers." Much more provocative than either war mists or leftists.

But you are wrong, I don't use the term leftists. I use the term libs.
 

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I don't agree with Maue or Bastardi on this issue, but they are legitimate climate scientists and their opinions should be taken seriously.

Joe Bastardi
3 hrs ·
3 blogs that sum it all up for me ( note, one of them on graphic)
https://t.co/MLGjmKrHAP
https://t.co/skKDhcdFoh
https://t.co/pCLAR7Sf7M

"Another question: Will temperature measurements return to where they were back in the late ‘70s? That question cannot be answered until the PDO/AMO shift back in the coming years and we can observe what happens when we go through the entire cycle. Even then, the state of the oceans today is a product of centuries of back and forth, making it very difficult if not impossible to assign a specific value to CO2’s role, or blame it for any event, short or long term."

Or, as I said years ago, scientists think too much of themselves thinking they know all there is to know. Unknown variables will keep them guessing forever.
 

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Joe Bastardi
3 hrs ·
3 blogs that sum it all up for me ( note, one of them on graphic)
https://t.co/MLGjmKrHAP
https://t.co/skKDhcdFoh
https://t.co/pCLAR7Sf7M

"Another question: Will temperature measurements return to where they were back in the late ‘70s? That question cannot be answered until the PDO/AMO shift back in the coming years and we can observe what happens when we go through the entire cycle. Even then, the state of the oceans today is a product of centuries of back and forth, making it very difficult if not impossible to assign a specific value to CO2’s role, or blame it for any event, short or long term."

Or, as I said years ago, scientists think too much of themselves thinking they know all there is to know. Unknown variables will keep them guessing forever.

The ego of the warmists knows no bounds. They think they actually have all the knowledge they need to model the earth's temperatures stretching out for decades. They can't even predict accurately temperatures for next year. Their models have all been wrong. They can't explain the warming hiatus of nearly 20 years. They can't explain the poles. The alarmingly claim that the seas are rising. But they have been rising for much longer than the Industrial Age.
 

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The ego of the warmists knows no bounds. They think they actually have all the knowledge they need to model the earth's temperatures stretching out for decades. They can't even predict accurately temperatures for next year. Their models have all been wrong. They can't explain the warming hiatus of nearly 20 years. They can't explain the poles. The alarmingly claim that the seas are rising. But they have been rising for much longer than the Industrial Age.
Scientists attempt to model the climate mate in order to help us predict weather, it's their job.
 

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Scientists attempt to model the climate mate in order to help us predict weather, it's their job.

No, global warming scientists try to model temps to get the U.S. to reduce CO2 and enter into international agreements that will harm the U.S. You don't need a 100 year prediction of temperatures to predict weather. Climate and weather are very different things.
 

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No, global warming scientists try to model temps to get the U.S. to reduce CO2 and enter into international agreements that will harm the U.S. You don't need a 100 year prediction of temperatures to predict weather. Climate and weather are very different things.
Says you, and the rest of your conservative circle jerk. What's your motivation.....honestly.....truth?
 

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Says you, and the rest of your conservative circle jerk. What's your motivation.....honestly.....truth?

Yes, truth. I have come to believe global warming is your religion. After all science is all about skepticism and you experience none. So it is not science to you, but faith.
 

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Yes, truth. I have come to believe global warming is your religion. After all science is all about skepticism and you experience none. So it is not science to you, but faith.
Temperatures HAVE increased both surface and ocean, sea levels HAVE risen, droughts HAVE increased, extreme weather patterns HAVE increased, the potential effects of these changes are uncertain, whether the earth will self adjust without catastrophic consequences is uncertain. We know how negative the impacts on business will be, but the gamble is too dangerous to not do anything to reverse the trend.

What's crazy to me, is the lack of concern for the environment, as if though it's not a fragile and incredibly important part of our existence.
 

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Temperatures HAVE increased both surface and ocean, sea levels HAVE risen, droughts HAVE increased, extreme weather patterns HAVE increased, the potential effects of these changes are uncertain, whether the earth will self adjust without catastrophic consequences is uncertain. We know how negative the impacts on business will be, but the gamble is too dangerous to not do anything to reverse the trend.

What's crazy to me, is the lack of concern for the environment, as if though it's not a fragile and incredibly important part of our existence.

You likely won't want to read this since it betrays your post above. More importantly, let's first find out with certainty what is happening with the climate. We can't destroy industries, businesses, states or localities due to bad science.

http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/04...s-either-declining-or-at-or-near-record-lows/