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That doesn't "make the count"--notice my words
They play on the ignorance of many
I agree that they are glorified scrimmages.
I agree the playoff makes them meaningless.
I agree that many rightly opt-out to protect their future.
Whereas, I believe all of that to be true and that you are correct in what you say, I'll still watch.
I don't pretend that they're important. I just enjoy the game.
 

KingLando

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I agree that they are glorified scrimmages.
I agree the playoff makes them meaningless.
I agree that many rightly opt-out to protect their future.
Whereas, I believe all of that to be true and that you are correct in what you say, I'll still watch.
I don't pretend that they're important. I just enjoy the game.
And this I respect
 

SRURock24

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Sitake is now back to 40%. His name started coming out on an insider board over the last couple days. Who the heck knows if there’s anything to it beyond speculation or perhaps smoke coming out from Krafty’s crew. He is a very good coach, and we could do a lot worse (Rhule, Chesney, Smith), but he’s not quite at the level of a mythical mystery candidate. His expertise is more so defense. He seems like a Big 10 type coach, but I’m not sure he’s the type we are seeking.
Well he would check all the boxes of someone no one would guess, good coach, might not be a fit.
 
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WPB_lion

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Hidden gem? Tell me what his record is in WPIAL title games--you know, big games...
What is your problem? This guy is coaching his heart out for the university that he has dedicated his professional life to. IMO, he is doing a good job right now and there is a decent chance he is the guy. I know recruits are leaving but he is a lame duck right now because he cannot tell anyone he is going to be the coach.

There is no need to treat Terry Smith like the enemy just because you do not want him to be the head coach. You are so hell bent to prove your point to a bunch of people on a message board who have absolutely no say in this decision that you are willing to trash a really good guy who simply wants to be our head coach more than anyone else in consideration.

We get it, you don’t think he should be the head coach. Your opinion is not more right than anyone else’s on this message board. Shut up about it already.
 

LB99

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Some here talk about Joe Paterno as if he is a poison? It is accurate that you can't live life in the rear view mirror but reverence and respect are critical to Penn State football going forward. It is in our DNA. Like it or not, Paterno put the Penn State football program on the map in the 1970's and 80's. Prior to that, PSU was just a eastern regional football team. One of the things that irked me about Franklin in the 12 years he was coaching is that he NEVER publicly acknowledged Joe's major accomplishments. Franklin lived in the castle that Joe built and never once said thank you.
 
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bbrown

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No, because Franklin wasn’t a mentor to young men. Paterno was the only coach who ever positively influenced his players.
Iron Man Eye Roll GIF
 
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MacNit

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In the end, the pin is just a shameful tactic to get the job. I think we all have a degree of “PTSD” from Sandusky and the pin is just taking advantage of that trauma that still exists in a number of people. Let’s say Terry gets hired. His hire does nothing to change the facts of what occurred. It doesn’t vindicate Joe. It does nothing.
Joe does not need vindication.
 

MacNit

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Nebraska is not a very good football team. They're poorly coached and lack talent. Their history doesn't alter the present

Paterno doesn't need vindicated yet our base continually tries to do so which is why more than a decade later it's still a story. Had we let it die, the clueless people that still attack him would be far less. I'd wager if you did a national poll over half would say Paterno failed to do what was necessary and even more would say he put football over the alleged victims but that belief is due to the actions of our base...as well as wrong.
Right and wrong is not determined by a poll.
 

SRURock24

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Joe does not need vindication.
I try and stay out of this argument but the past is the past. Paterno was a great coach and a flawed man. Some people think he was railroaded others don’t. Nothing is going to change that. The whole fight between both sides gets tiresome. Time to focus on the future. Yesterday is gone we can’t get it back. College football has changed dramatically and is so far removed from the days of Joe that it’s apples and oranges.
 

m.knox

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What is your problem? This guy is coaching his heart out for the university that he has dedicated his professional life to. IMO, he is doing a good job right now and there is a decent chance he is the guy. I know recruits are leaving but he is a lame duck right now because he cannot tell anyone he is going to be the coach.

There is no need to treat Terry Smith like the enemy just because you do not want him to be the head coach. You are so hell bent to prove your point to a bunch of people on a message board who have absolutely no say in this decision that you are willing to trash a really good guy who simply wants to be our head coach more than anyone else in consideration.

We get it, you don’t think he should be the head coach. Your opinion is not more right than anyone else’s on this message board. Shut up about it already.

Yes.
 
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84lion

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Joe does not need vindication.
Perhaps not...but it would be nice to see those who wronged him get their just desserts.
I try and stay out of this argument but the past is the past. Paterno was a great coach and a flawed man. Some people think he was railroaded others don’t. Nothing is going to change that. The whole fight between both sides gets tiresome. Time to focus on the future. Yesterday is gone we can’t get it back. College football has changed dramatically and is so far removed from the days of Joe that it’s apples and oranges.
This reminds me of the "move on" comments from certain persons years ago. I don't think it's right for people to get away with destroying an innocent person in the heat of the moment, and I think that is what the BOT did at the time. If we focus on the future by throwing away or ignoring the past, we lose who and what we are. I don't expect any new coach to run things the way Joe did, but I would hope that the new coach would understand what it means to be a Penn Stater, especially "success with honor."

Wasn't it Peetz who said something about all this being a distant memory in the future, and that was over 10 years ago? I think the BOT thoroughly misjudged what Paterno meant to generations of Penn State alums. The fight may be tiresome, but if it ever goes away, it will take generations to get there.
 

SummitLion

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This is such an antiquated argument. Imagine Nick Saban constantly crediting Bear Bryant for all of his accomplishments. Referring to Tuscaloosa as the Castle that Bear Bryant built, it’s just absurd. Forcing a program to live under the specter of the ghost of dead coach then calling it tradition is just madness. Serious programs don’t have this problem and it’s probably why they’re winning National titles and we aren’t.
Alabama has embraced Bear Bryant. My son recently attended a college fair. He was given an Alabama pen, and guess what, it had a houndstooth pattern. Imagine if Penn State passed out any swag with affiliation to Paterno. Many posters, like you, would be apoplectic.

Here's a recent article you should read...

The Bear
 

Omar81

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This is such an antiquated argument. Imagine Nick Saban constantly crediting Bear Bryant for all of his accomplishments. Referring to Tuscaloosa as the Castle that Bear Bryant built, it’s just absurd. Forcing a program to live under the specter of the ghost of dead coach then calling it tradition is just madness. Serious programs don’t have this problem and it’s probably why they’re winning National titles and we aren’t.
So you’re comparing Franklin to Saban? 😂🤣😂
 

MacNit

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I try and stay out of this argument but the past is the past. Paterno was a great coach and a flawed man. Some people think he was railroaded others don’t. Nothing is going to change that. The whole fight between both sides gets tiresome. Time to focus on the future. Yesterday is gone we can’t get it back. College football has changed dramatically and is so far removed from the days of Joe that it’s apples and oranges.
All men in history, except one, are flawed.

Joe - while flawed like us all - was one of the greatest. He was wronged by much more flawed men. He is missed by/at PSU…immensely.
 

MacNit

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Perhaps not...but it would be nice to see those who wronged him get their just desserts.

This reminds me of the "move on" comments from certain persons years ago. I don't think it's right for people to get away with destroying an innocent person in the heat of the moment, and I think that is what the BOT did at the time. If we focus on the future by throwing away or ignoring the past, we lose who and what we are. I don't expect any new coach to run things the way Joe did, but I would hope that the new coach would understand what it means to be a Penn Stater, especially "success with honor."

Wasn't it Peetz who said something about all this being a distant memory in the future, and that was over 10 years ago? I think the BOT thoroughly misjudged what Paterno meant to generations of Penn State alums. The fight may be tiresome, but if it ever goes away, it will take generations to get there.
As a Franco said, we must continue fighting this good fight…for the sake of the soul of PSU.
 
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KingLando

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What is your problem? This guy is coaching his heart out for the university that he has dedicated his professional life to. IMO, he is doing a good job right now and there is a decent chance he is the guy. I know recruits are leaving but he is a lame duck right now because he cannot tell anyone he is going to be the coach.

There is no need to treat Terry Smith like the enemy just because you do not want him to be the head coach. You are so hell bent to prove your point to a bunch of people on a message board who have absolutely no say in this decision that you are willing to trash a really good guy who simply wants to be our head coach more than anyone else in consideration.

We get it, you don’t think he should be the head coach. Your opinion is not more right than anyone else’s on this message board. Shut up about it already.
No...stop making him out to be something he's not and I'll stop asking valid questions like what is his record in WPIAL title games. We know he's not capable of winning big games and he showed that against Indiana.
Say he's done a great job given the circumstances and you think he's a great guy then you won't get a negative reply from me. Those may be true even if I don't respect how he's gone about trying to get the role. Those are opinions.
What isn't an opinion is his reputation during his HC days at Gateway..."he couldn't win a big game"...that's reality.
 

KingoftheBigTen

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Alabama has embraced Bear Bryant. My son recently attended a college fair. He was given an Alabama pen, and guess what, it had a houndstooth pattern. Imagine if Penn State passed out any swag with affiliation to Paterno. Many posters, like you, would be apoplectic.

Here's a recent article you should read...

The Bear
I’m not going to read that because I don’t care enough too. Anyone who makes use of the word apoplectic doesn’t need lectured on the fundamental differences between how Bryant and Paterno ended their careers and why one has a nice pen and one doesn’t.
 

Binder74

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No...stop making him out to be something he's not and I'll stop asking valid questions like what is his record in WPIAL title games. We know he's not capable of winning big games and he showed that against Indiana.
Say he's done a great job given the circumstances and you think he's a great guy then you won't get a negative reply from me. Those may be true even if I don't respect how he's gone about trying to get the role. Those are opinions.
What isn't an opinion is his reputation during his HC days at Gateway..."he couldn't win a big game"...that's reality.
I don't see the relevance in what he did as a hs coach eons ago. What he has done as a PSU coach and recruiter carries much more weight.
 

KingLando

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I don't see the relevance in what he did as a hs coach eons ago. What he has done as a PSU coach and recruiter carries much more weight.
It shows his inability to close games--then he worked under Franklin and Rhule who--can't close games
His work as a DB coach and a recruiter (who has struggled to maintain the current class unlike other interim HCs) isn't enough to cover up his flaws.
 

Binder74

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It shows his inability to close games--then he worked under Franklin and Rhule who--can't close games
His work as a DB coach and a recruiter (who has struggled to maintain the current class unlike other interim HCs) isn't enough to cover up his flaws.
I would think he may have learned a few things along the way. He was able to make some changes to improve things that Franklin wasn't able to figure out. He may or may not be the answer but don't hold mistakes against him from decades before.
 

WPB_lion

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It shows his inability to close games--then he worked under Franklin and Rhule who--can't close games
His work as a DB coach and a recruiter (who has struggled to maintain the current class unlike other interim HCs) isn't enough to cover up his flaws.
The fired coaches on the other teams are still unemployed with no prospect for employment at another legitimate program. Big difference.

No interim head coach was going to stop the flow of players out of PSU given the negativity of this season. Recruits were leaving before Franklin was fired. It is unfair to lay the blame on Terry Smith who is nothing but a lame duck at this point. Only a new, permanent head coach can salvage this class.
 

WaffleShopper

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I don't see the relevance in what he did as a hs coach eons ago. What he has done as a PSU coach and recruiter carries much more weight.
Well did you know that he never won a Pop Warner championship? Or that his wife always beats him in gin rummy? Or that he routinely overcooks his eggs? The guy is a loser.
 
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Itraindogs

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Did you ever play with a cat with a laser pointer? It's kind of fun. They are so adorable.
No, but I do get to see stupid people trying to trigger their dog into playing all the time.. Its the most hilarious thing to see people throw a ball, the dog look at me with the WTF expression, and then have the dumb *** run to retrieve the ball and try it again. It becomes an inside joke for me and the dog.
 

Connorpozlee

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No, but I get to see stupid people trying to trigger their dog into playing all the time.. Its the most hilarious thing to see people throw a ball, the dog look at me with the WTF expression, and the have the dumb *** run to retrieve the ball and try it again.
What the hell would you know about dog behavior? Everybody on here is an expert at everything, it’s ridiculous.
Oh wait, just checked your username. Carry on then.
 
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Big_O

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Our dog goes after laser pointers and lights like crazy. It’s a hunting instinct some dogs have. He also loves to hunt the small lizards we have here in Florida. Actually, he is absolutely obsessed with it.
 

Itraindogs

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Our dog goes after laser pointers and lights like crazy. It’s a hunting instinct some dogs have. He also loves to hunt the small lizards we have here in Florida. Actually, he is absolutely obsessed with it.
Prey drive (chase, capture, kill) is genetically coded, and is the drive most commonly used to train a working dog. Absent this drive many dogs give owners fits because owners want to play with their dogs and the dogs do not engage. Its entertaining.
 
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Adding to the cat/dog thing, our previous dog (may she RIP) was a sweetheart in so many ways, but she wouldn't play fetch to save her soul. If I threw a ball, she wanted to keep it. She did like playing tug, but her teeth were in pretty bad shape and they'd bleed, so that wasn't a good option. Our current dog is a terrier mix and loves playing fetch and tug, and she loves to give the squirrels, chipmunks, and rabbits in our backyard a run for their money. She's going to be 3 years old this spring and she has the spirit and energy of youth, but she loves to cuddle and take a nap with you. She's wonderful. Our son's girlfriend conned him into adopting a cat which has become my wife's cat. Can't really play with the cat or pet her as she devolves into scratching and "play biting." Dogs >>>> Cats any day of the week.
 
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