Joe's greatness was what he did off the field.
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Just like you will never be considered for any position of leadership at Penn State.
Lets stop this and say that Joe was ONE of the GOAT. Think of a table,which of the four legs is the strongest and is holding the top in place.
So his longevity hurt his standing in your eyes? Where would you put him if he had retired after ‘99? .800 winning percentage (if my quick math was correct, no guarantee for sure), 5 undefeated seasons, 2 national championships.
Keep in mind, I’m not saying you’re wrong. But you certainly aren’t necessarily correct either. It’s just opinions.
Whoever said I dislike Saban - love that guy.
Look, here’s the deal, I pride myself on trying to talk with everyone, even when I disagree. That’s how I learn and grow.
But if you start a statement with something so insanely out of touch with reality as “Joe has no resume”, it’s tough to even continue a conversation.
So have at it but I’ll be leaving this conversation now.
His entire career matters--had he walked away when he should have we would have the negatives that exist. Why wouldn't I include those years?
Coaches are responsible for their entire career not just the years I think was their prime
I didn't say he has "no resume"--I said "Paterno doesn't have the resume." compared to Saban. He doesn't. The only think you can point to is longevity. On the field, where is Paterno better using resume?
When you claim, "that's how I learn and grow" but that don't want to actually explain how the statement is wrong kind of makes that statement entirely false but you do you.
Saban's resume is infinitely better than Paterno
7 National Titles
11 Conference Titles
117-18 in SEC with Bama. Won 10+ his final 16 years.
I'd love to hear the argument for Paterno's resume being on par with Saban's--maybe I'm wrong. Show me the data other than "409" because of longevity.
One way to deal with this argument is to say, “If you could somehow pull any coach out of history to be your school’s coach, who would it be? For me, it would be Paterno because I value his ability to win games while keeping a strong emphasis on academics.”
Joe has won more games than anyone. Joe has also won more bowl games than anyone, and those are the games that matter most.
He is the GOAT at PSU and top5 in all College football.
This statement I love--I'd say top 10 but I wouldn't argue top 5 lol
Saban's just set a ridiculous standard.
100% Saban for me--but I also am fine with this because it's a different discussion than "GOAT"--it's a personal preference.
On the total wins, another item before the 11 game season, most times played 9 or 10.
also, let’s be honest … Saban was starting to sputter after 12 or so years … not 46
You didn’t want to include Bear Bryant’s pre-Alabama time. That’s the bias somebody mentioned in here.
Alright, carry on. I’m done with this.
Which means the record is even more about his longevity. Great call out.
When dif Saban sputter? They were elite even at the end of his reign
It counts...I said analyzing the information you factor in the difficulty of winning at Kentucky during that era. At the end with Paterno, the only difficulty was him.
And likely would have ended up 9-3 just like they did. They played one good team in the first nine games and lost. No matter how you slice it, they were a tier one program in the 80’s and a tier 2 program by the time he stopped coaching. They had some good years in there, but overall they weren’t a great program battling for NC’s every year.
Would have ended up 9-3 just like they did? Rather presumptuous to say the least, and even at 9-3…not too bad. Basically, Joe (at 84 years old) about as effective as James Franklin today.
Except Franklin likely would have gone 11-1 with that schedule.
That’s true. I don’t think UCLA or Northwestern was on the schedule that year.
Sheesh.
This thread should have been locked around page 18 or so.
This thread should have been locked around page 18 or so.
If that were true, Pat Kraft would have at least called the right agency. Elko, Sitake, Campbell.
Can we all agree that BGJ wasn’t in Joe’s league when it comes to coaching?
Maybe the gossip was scrambled a bit before it even got to me. After the Pate interview, it's obvious that MC was untouchable until the end of the season. That falls in line with what I was told though.
5 undefeated untied teams. Not much more you can do than that.
I think Franklin had to go but the way in happened (timing and lack of a replacement plan) was horrible.
Franklin's inability to win big games was a big factor but I also think James needed a reset. It seemed obvious that the pressure was getting to him. Examples:
- The "elite" rant after back to back 1 pt losses to OSU
- Yelling back at fans in the stands who booed him
- Completely unable to manage the clock before halftime vs UCLA had the announcers scratching their heads. BGJ looked lost like a deer in the headlights.
Now you’re just being silly.
Okay…let’s approach it this way. How many times in his 46 years, did Joe lose to a team when favored by 22+ points?
For starters, he donated $4MM to build a library.
For starters, get his players to graduate. Also donate millions of his own money to a library that bears his name.
The day of that press conference the difference between Kraft and I Franklin would have been fired the second he left the podium for dissing the University.
Yep even those of us who gave Franklin patience through the last 10 years knew that after Northwestern, it was time for a change, but this guy’s still on JF’s junk like he’s related to him or something. Of course, this is the same guy that thinks public schools recruit more than private schools so what are you expect.
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