And are now in complete shock....
Most of you predicted much worse....
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To be fair…
I don’t think anybody expected Arizona State, Texas and Florida to be as bad as they are. Texas was preseason #1, ASU was preseason #11, and Florida was preseason #16. Nobody we’ve played is better than they were projected to be outside A&M, who nobody thought we’d beat anyway.
Our talent is way better than it was last year, at least at skill positions, but the coaching decisions are just 17ing abysmal and actively keeping us from winning games. That’s the point of consternation here.
Most people in that link said we’d win 4 games, thinking we’d beat ASU OR Ark, but not both, so that’s the main difference in where we are now.
I don’t think anybody expected Arizona State, Texas and Florida to be as bad as they are. Texas was preseason #1, ASU was preseason #11, and Florida was preseason #16. Nobody we’ve played is better than they were projected to be outside A&M, who nobody thought we’d beat anyway.
Our talent is way better than it was last year, at least at skill positions, but the coaching decisions are just 17ing abysmal and actively keeping us from winning games. That’s the point of consternation here.
Most people in that link said we’d win 4 games, thinking we’d beat ASU OR Ark, but not both, so that’s the main difference in where we are now.
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It's not losses. It's how we are losing. Gross incompetence.And are now in complete shock....
To sum up this season. I predicted 3 wins. He easily surpassed my expectations while completely destroying my hope for the future.
There’s been improvement but there’s been an alarming trend as well.
(I predicted 2-10).
(I predicted 2-10).
And we were one play away in each of those games from losing both, putting us at 3-9.
I didn't post on that one but I had us going 3-9. I figured Huff would have the golden buzzards closer to what they are now rather than the way they were when we beat them and we'd would lose that one and I didn't count on AZ St to be the whiny disorganized bit- ches they were and we'd lose it too.And are now in complete shock....
I've gone from being a die-hard State fan who made sure to arrange schedules around games to tuning in when I have time and not getting too emotionally involved because they're gonna lose more than they win and that's just the reality of State football right now. I stopped watching in the 3rd quarter last night and just kinda didn't care as much at halftime after seeing that out QB, someone not really known as a runner, ran 14 times. No let down today because the result is hardly surprising.
Bear Bryant, or any competent coach, would have at least beaten Florida and Texas.
If you’re not watching the games, it’s easy to see how you could look at the record and scores of the games and think we are seeing a good bit of improvement.And are now in complete shock....
If you’re watching the games, it’s impossible to feel like this program is in good hands with Lebby. He’s just flat out incompetent and anyone who says otherwise, either has their head buried in the sand or is not watching the games.
I felt the same way about arnett. He felt pretty overwhelmed too. But honestly I feel like arnett was better than Lebby. It’s pretty frustrating the choices we have made post leach.
Knowing nothing else I'd have guessed 5-6 wins would have been viewed as impressive in year 2 and that we'd be excited heading into year 3. But I'm not really feeling confident that Lebby is going to leverage any perceived success into a better portal haul this year or needed staff upgrades. Hopefully I'm proven wrong but feels like we are staring at a repeat of season 2 - just stuck in the middle with meh production shooting ourselves in the foot every game.
Yeah this is nonsense. There are things that a good coach can do to mitigate an offensive weakness.
You can NOT mitigate really bad line play. It can't be done. Our line on both sides of the ball is getting manhandled week in and week out.
And yet the lines were good enough to beat Florida and Texas with average, replacement-level coaching.
Well, actually they weren't. We lost those games. The lines were man handled when it mattered. I*f we fire Lebby this year the replacement will almost certainly be AT BEST, more of the same. Our last three coaches who did not die will have been fired after two, one, and two years. NO coach with any real prospects would take a job at a place like that with our history. This aint rocket science.
We always hear that, and then it turns out to be false. Do you think Dan Mullen or Mike Leach or Brian O'Connor cared about how unfair we were to fire the last guy? No, they wanted our job and were happy to take it!
We can offer proven, successful G5/FCS head coaches a 10x raise or more. Someone will take it.
Who would be the person/persons responsible for the talent or lack thereof that appears on the field now? Cupboard left bare by previous staff some will say? We have transfer portal now and those lines still suck, who's responsible for signing that talent in the portal?
Nobody is surpr
No coach with any real prospects? You mean, like Lebby? I would like to think that 1-14 in league play wouldn’t be hard to beat In this day and age.
That is exactly what I mean. Why do you think he is here? He had some significant baggage too. We had to pay over market for him as well, to get him to come.
SOMEONE will take it, correct. That is my whole damn point. We gave Croom and JWS plenty of time, so you can leave Mullen out of it. You can get away with a quick fire once, so you can really leave Leach out of it. Leach didn't care anyway, we were always going to be his last stop. That was pretty much understood I thought. In baseball we actually are a blueblood program. The rules are sort of different for them. Therefore you can leave O'Conner out of it. LEBBEY is the example you need to look at for the type of hire we would be looking at.
Edited to add, JoMo was a successful FCS coach.
You should just say "I don't know shlt about football" and save some keystrokes.
Maybe you and the other supporters of Lebby, not me. His in game decisions and his evaluation of talent seems to be hand in hand with each other and I don't believe he's asked me for my opinion in any of those decisions
Who said I'm a Lebby supporter? I'm still very much on the fence. He does some stuff that leaves me screaming and cussing virtually every game. That being said, we ARE improved over last year (sad as that is to say). He has done enough to get one more year given the circumstances. I'm looking at this in totality with realism, not with wishful thinking.
WE are absolutely responsible for the talent now. It's all about money.
I didn't make a prediction on that thread, but just because most of our posters predicted 4-8 and we are about to get 5-7 doesn't mean we're happy with the result. And regardless of the overall win/loss record, when I look at this team actually play and the way it's coached I do not see a program that is on the way up.
Not really though because he coached Fordham with scholarships when the rest of the conference was walk-on only. Of course he won some games there.
Having said that, he had an 8-4 season here. We could keep Lebby for a decade and Lebby likely wouldn't ever do that. Even this year, where we had a lot of good luck with the schedule and had a real shot at 8-4, Lebby's coaching kept us from getting there.
I don't know, probably the fact that you jump into every thread to defend him, even after everyone else is ready to move on?
I can tell 1 sure fire way to not mitigate it is call a QB draw straight up the middle 7 times in a row.
Go look down the list of Top 25. You are telling me we can't and aren't doing better than ANY teams on that list, that kids would rather play at James Madison, N TX, and Utah than in the SEC? You are running out of sympathetic excuses
If we played in those leagues we wouldn't be getting near the money into the program.