Most overrated 'classic' rock song
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Your previous post is correct: you are dense.
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For me, it all goes back to "speedball." That's simply an unpardonable sin -- and, YES, I am, in fact, saying that Springsteen should literally burn in hell for eternity for saying it.
Man, whenever you read that or hear somebody say it, you shouldn't just automatically assume that whoever's expressing it is doing so due to differences in their political opinions and hers. I mean it's entirely just as possible that they're saying it because they've seen Barbarella, Book Club, Hurry Sundown, La ronde, Steelyard Blues, Monster-In-Law, Comes a Horseman, Fun With Dick and Jane, Georgia Rule, The Game Is Over, Rollover, Stanley & Iris, Cat Ballou, The Chapman Report, Leonard Part 6, and/or The Blue Bird.
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"Speedball" is in Paul Dickson’s Baseball Dictionary but I digress. You don't look to Bruce's curtsey to pop that is "Born in the USA" for why he is great. You rip your heart out and lay it on the counter like he did for Sylvester Stallone (of all people) in Copland. Even wooden Stallone manages to have his finest acting moment here. The big guy's heart breaks all over the screen because he can't have the girl he loves and yours does, too:For me, it all goes back to "speedball." That's simply an unpardonable sin -- and, YES, I am, in fact, saying that Springsteen should literally burn in hell for eternity for saying it.
Here is the actual song:
Bruce is not merely performing or singing a song there, he's peeling back all of what makes you human then he shows it to you a little at a time. Some see. Some don't want to. But its there nontheless and Bruce knows it, too.
The song is actually about a suicide, I believe. A euphemism for it at least. He will disappear, he says into all that dark. It is almost No Country for Old Men-like in its ending.
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The Beatles playing anything. I can't stand them and nothing they ever put out even remotely turns my crank. I have a pretty diverse taste in music but beside The Beatles pretty much any female country singer gets on my everlasting nerves.
Does Bruce Springsteen have some great albums? Yes.
Is Born in the USA a terrible album? Yes.
Both can be true. Three years between albums, people were starving for Bruce. Whatever he put out was going to sell. Throw in MTV and it was a good bet.
Is Born in the USA a terrible album? Yes.
Both can be true. Three years between albums, people were starving for Bruce. Whatever he put out was going to sell. Throw in MTV and it was a good bet.
Most of Born in the USA was a Bruce mistep into commercialism and pop, but there were a couple of good ones on there with Downbound Train being the most obvious. Bruce doesn't do 86 minute concerts, he goes for 3 hours or so and there is a ton of concert footage out there and not the lip syncing fake kind, either. So yeah, I get the hate but you know what, that's OK as long as you keep it to yourself and die in a fire ant accident with a jar of honey crammed up your arse and a pocket full of winning lottery tickets your ex wife finds after they put your smoldering corpse out with homeless people urine.
That's funny because before I saw the Bruce heresy what I actually came into this thread to post was a story about me almost getting into a fight because of me telling a Beatles fan exactly what you just posted. Well, I guess I might have been a tad more...eh... descriptive... in my insults towards them. I loathe the Beatles like inflamed colon polyps. I'd rather have my eardrums microwaved in a bowl of popcorn and butter for 80 minutes than hear anything even remotely related to Paul McCartney. Just the mental image of him causes me to fly into a rage. I'm so upset right now my fists are making a low humming noise that all the neighborhood dogs are barking at.
It's a very old term and I don't like it but it was legitimately used in baseball.For me, it all goes back to "speedball." That's simply an unpardonable sin -- and, YES, I am, in fact, saying that Springsteen should literally burn in hell for eternity for saying it.
That dude should get zodiacked.Speaking of NCFOM, I'd pay good money to see Springsuck get Anton Chigur-ed.
The organ music in the Doors music gives me a migraine every time. **** goes on forever.
The other group I hate is Credence Clearwater Revival. The songs all sound the same and seem to be compulsory for every movie made about the Vietnam era.
P19978 actually used to like Bruce Springsteen, then he found out he didn't really steal a car and that ruined it. Glen Campbell wasn't no damned Rhinestone Cowboy, neither. They're all a bunch of liars. Just about everything you listen to is just a bunch of made up stories. Big frauds sitting around writin' and singin' a pack of lies.
Do you mean to tell me that contrary to one of the Stones first international hits, Mick Jagger was actually quite satisfied with all his money, beautiful women, and world wide fame? I am just shocked . . . .
Don't try too hard. You wasted a lot of pixels.
Springsteen is a talentless hack. Had he not been from NYNJ media hub he would not have even received a record deal. His fans are loyal but so are those if The Grateful Dead or Fish. That said, TGD actually had 1 hit.
Born in the USA. That is some amazing song writing there LOL. Ranks up there with We Built This City on Rock and Roll or Baby Baby Baby Please.
Springsteen is a joke but I applaud your misplaced loyalty and your rudimentary musical judgment.
Glenn Campbell is actually a guitar player's guitarist. Most people do not know how good he was.
I believe FCA was actually not Live. At least much done in the studio.
Another band became super famous, launched, after releasing their double live album. Same mid 70s time period. Anybody hazard a guess what band I am referring to?
Bringing this thread back because I decided today the answer is 'Bad To The Bone'. It's not badass at all, it's cheesy as **** and and includes a constant stutter because Thorogood thought it'd be bad (good) to allow B-B-B-B-B-B-B to fall out of his mouth over and over to a simplistic guitar riff. The song has been in movies and I'm sure been included in show scenes. It's stupid, it's lame, it's bad. Thank you.
There are some fine rhetorical flourishes in Born in the USA and your comparison is just ridiculous. Bruce has done much stronger work, sure, but even Bruce's clumsy effort at entering the mainstream is as good as anything perhaps somebody like Tom Petty ever did, and I like Tom Petty.
The "Sent me off to a foreign land... To go and kill the yellow man" and "I had a brother at Khe Sanh fighting off the Viet Cong... They're still there, he's all gone" are my two favorite lines of Born in the USA.
Ronald Reagan liked it so much (because he laughably didn't understand it) he used it in his campaign rallies until Bruce made him stop doing it.
Laughably, almost 40 years later, Trump supporters made the same mistake by blaring "Born in the USA" outside the hospital Trump was being treated for Covid in, clearly oblivious to the actual message of the song. Bruce also took legal action to stop Bob Dole, Pat Buchanan, and Trump from using his song in their campaigns.
"America's future rests in the message of hope in the songs of a man so many young Americans admire—New Jersey’s own, Bruce Springsteen.” - Ronald Reagan 1984
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Personally, I much prefer Alive II... which I admit is one of my guilty pleasures.
I mean, these guys aren't really even that good, the songs are simple, the lyrics sophomoric... and yet i still love hearing "Love Gun', "Shock Me", "Calling Dr Love" etc.
Yes... I'm embarrassed to have typed that... I probably need professional help lol.
And I like the Ramones, not embarrassed to type that, but for the same reasons you list above. But I could possibly also be a candidate for professional help.
Ramones >>> Kiss, imo. Packed a lot of energy, attitude and fun into 3-chord, 2:20 songs. And, very clearly, didn't GAF about being popular. Kiss? I've listened to a bunch of their 'hits' (mainly while trying to dissuade band members from wanting to include their songs in our set list) and they're just not very good.
And I'm guessing Mick Jagger is STILL satisfied with his money, women, fame, etc. Frickin' limey liar!!!
I agree with everything you said here. And I’ll add just one comment, that classic rock is not always technically great. And the songs can be simplistic. But it’s about the FEEL. The song is catchy. And the fuzzed out guitar riff definitely gets your attention. It’s a fun song.
George himself has admitted he’s not really a great guitar player. Nor a great song writer. Most of his other hit songs are borrowed/covered. Examples…”Move it on Over” from Hank Williams, “Who Do You Love” from Bo Diddley, and “One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer” from Blues legend, John Lee Hooker.
Example A of the above is "Satisfaction" which is pretty simple.
Friend who was a huge music fan once said he got into a long argument about whether that was a great song or not, his buddy tried to argue it wasn't a good song, saying "hell, any decent guitar player can learn that song in two minutes"
Obvious reply was, "well, then where were you when the page was blank? If you had only thought to write that stupid simple song first, maybe you would be rich and famous like the Stones"
I have to say at almost 59 years old, I have listened to albums for several of the bands on your list. I may try a few more, but so far the music is very hit or miss. I thought the Black Keys had some good songs, but nothing that really rises to the level of the top classic rock bands. Some of their albums are good, but I wouldn't say great. Los Lobos's How Will the Wolf Survive was decent, but again, not great. Subsequent albums are about the same, or at least the ones I have heard. Gov't Mule has never really done much for me. Their work is just average at best. Kenny Wayne Shephard is a heck of a guitarist but I don't think their music is generally strong compared to past rock acts. I could go on, but you get the point. I don't see anything on your list that rises to the level of many classic rock acts of the 60's and 70's. I think had these bands existed in the 60's and 70's they would not have had a huge following and would have been overshadowed by the bands at the time.
A band not on your list that I thought got off to a great start and then fizzled was Los Lonely Boys. I thought their debut album was very good, but the follow-up Sacred was very mediocre. I think Tedeschi-Trucks has put out some strong music but I wouldn't necessarily say they are at the level of many of the classic bands either. Everyone has different tastes in music, so these bands may excite you, and I'm glad they do. I miss listening to a new album and getting that wow feeling. It still happens for an occasional song, but for my tastes, 99% of the rock albums I have heard in the last 30 years have been mediocre at best.
If I liked Kiss, I would not tell anyone especially myself.
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All that most people hear from that awful song is its chorus. BS's vocals are awful (does he have speech a impediment) and it is/was hard for anyone to hear the lyrics beyond the chorus. Nor, do most people who listen to a song, really care what is said as long as they like the music and its a bonus if there is a chorus they can sing back at the radio. We do not hold rock music lyrics to the same standard as Shakespeare.
I stand by my comment and belief that had he been from Kansas we would have never heard of him. His fan group is a cult that I would never understand or join.
Kiss was never really about the music. It was getting testosterone filled teen age boys to come watch the show. That is why their Kiss Alive album, its cover, as well as the flames and costumes...the mystery of not seeing their faces in the public out of character. They tapped into what concert goers wanted to experience. The music being secondary.