Pick a midpoint between my incoherent rambling and the airlines' propaganda and you're probably in the area where the dust needs to settle.
Most stupid Covid rules
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My oldest is taking physics with calculus 90% online. As you would guess it’s not going very well. His professor told him it’s the lowest grades she has ever seen in 20 years teaching this class.
Maybe some liberal arts degrees can still educate effectively online, but I just don’t see hardcore math and science courses working out.
Maybe some liberal arts degrees can still educate effectively online, but I just don’t see hardcore math and science courses working out.
This is an interesting comment. I both agree and disagree with it, depending on what it applies to, or maybe even the time of day.
- our governor has been accused of putting kids in school ahead of safety measures. based on her track record with covid, it is difficult to disagree with that accusation, especially when you consider the arbitrary 15% positivity rate she created as a minimum for a district to request remote learning.
Some can view her actions as putting children first, which is a good thing. Others can view her actions as reckless, ignoring data, and following lockstep with the president's wishes.
- the school district our kids attend is currently fully virtual. its the only one in the state that effectively said 17 off to the governor and cited the sheer number of bodies passing through buildings each day as reason to not comply with the governor's demand. It is the largest school district and what works for a rural county school of 300 doesnt work for a school district with 100x that.
Some can view the district's actions as putting the health of children, staff, and the general public first, which is a good thing. Others can view the district's actions as politically motivated because it is a strong blue county and makes the Republican governor look bad.
I hate that this has been politicized. Its been politicized by both sides though and it is totally impossible to sort out all that is legitimate from all that is politically motivated.
Very little in all this is clearly right or wrong, but people keep trying to simplify a lot of policies and decisions as clearly right or wrong.
I have an 8th grader and a 4th grader. They are both 20' away from me right now and working on school assignments. One is drawing heiroglyphics into clay that she will bake into a tablet for some research project and the other is working on Algebra. They have their meeting schedules set on Msoft Teams and work between meetings. They end up with a lot of free time since that time isnt being otherwise wasted in class, so they walk our dogs or read a lot. They still have PE, Art, Guidance, etc just like when they were in school.
My oldest could do this for years probably, even though she is overly social, because she connects with friends through texting/games/meetings. My youngest is just waiting until she can go back to in person each day because her age isnt connecting thru text/games/meetings in the same way.
If this were homeschool, my wife or I wouldnt be able to work. I also wouldnt be on here as much so I would miss out on all the emotional tantrums about Leach.
This is way better than homeschooling for sure. There are built in ways to seek assistance for work that is confusing and if they were homeschooled, a lot of their questions would go unanswered or be wrong.
The lessons are the same as in person- the teacher presents info, its worked thru and understood, then kids go on their own to master it. Pretty simple and its fast.
Our district moves to some in person learning next week for those who opt in. Kids will be in class 2 or 3 days a week. So few signed up for in person learning that the teachers for my kids are having in person kids bring their laptops and just sit in the classroom and do the work they were doing at home.
Its an odd setup, but its the best option given teacher resources.
I look forward to when they can all return to full in person learning without much risk to spreading covid.
You can't work and homeschool. Not successfully anyway.
mstateglfr isn't correct either though. He thinks this virtual school is better than homeschooling, which it isn't, at least in general. He just says it is because reasons. I'm guessing he thinks the teachers are more qualified than the parents. Fart. They are using a curriculum just like anyone else. Without the resources of the school, it's not better. Virtual sucks. The only good thing about the virtual platforms is actually learning the virtual platforms, in the event they need to use them in some other emergency situation.
This is not a rant against schools (not all schools anyway). It's a rant against virtual horseshit.
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He just says it is because reasons. Well yeah, its always because reasons. Virtual is better than homeschool for us- that is all im saying. I have no idea if its better for others- I dont know everyone's setup/situation. I am sure virtual is better than homeschool for many others too. If homeschool would be better, I would assume those families are already homeschooling.
I dont think teachers are more qualified than parents. I also dont think parents are more qualified than teachers. To claim either is 17ing stupid because it is too broad a brush. I readily admit that I would struggle to teach math to my oldest- like her current math. In that instance, hell yes her teacher is better. But I know I could more than competently teach her current Social Studies and History topics, so in that instance maybe her teacher isnt better(though also not worse).
In general, yes I do think an AP Bio teacher will teach that level of Biology better than the average of 10 parents. Same for Calculus, Trig, Physics, Chemistry, etc etc.
At the elementary age though, a lot of parents could teach their children just fine.
This is a funny topic since my sister literally teaches my youngest kid. Yeah, I trust she is more qualified than me to teach. Her multiple degrees, longstanding knowledge and understanding of the topics, and years of experience outweigh my degree from MSU and general experience as a parent.
The average adult is a 17ing moron and half the population is dumber. Teachers are typically not in the lower half, but a lot of parents are.
Again, I look forward to when everyone's kids can be in class at the same time. Its the most ideal situation. I dont want virtual.
Homeschooling is hard. That's why most folks aren't doing it. And you sacrifice a second income. Everything worth doing, at some point, takes a sacrifice. Plus you pay taxes for schools you don't use.
Private school takes money, and due to that, parents are still very involved. Plenty of sacrifice there. And same with the taxes above.
Public schools benefit from the sacrifice of the collective (taxes). Then, to do it well, it takes sacrifice by the parents, to really stay involved and on top of it.
Then you have charters/magnets, which are different deals altogether. But someone has to pay.
You choose your own level of sacrifice.
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I'm sitting on the throne at work one time and someone walks in and takes the adjacent stall (very rude considering there were 3). He must have had Curry for lunch because the sounds and the smells were revolting. After the blowout, there were no sounds of TP coming off the roll and the sink never got turned on before he left. I looked at every dude in the office suspiciously for the next 3 years.
I’d dare say with most elementary students, you can’t successfully do virtual Schooling and work. For lower elementary, it’s less time consuming to me to just go ahead and teach them. That’s probably dependent on the kid though.
It depends on the knowledge of the one doing the homeschooling, i.e., the parent(s). But not being in school definitely isn't good from a social interaction standpoint. Hopefully all schools can open fully after Christmas break.
My 7-year old grandson is doing virtual, but he has a lot of oversight from both parents (both have PhDs). He's doing quite well.
God yes, and I missed the entire damn pompano run because of that BS.
I go there to fish because I can walk 100 yards away from the parking lot and be 100 yards away from everybody.
And there’s where the difference comes into play with virtual with parents like that and lower income families who have to work all the time and probably don’t have a college education.
A spot on analysis and great nod to George Carlin above. 95% of the problems in the country and the world can be attributed to that singular statement.
The social part has been debunked. Unless you're a total noob, you can have your kids in other social settings besides a school (many of which are now modeled after prisons). Most homeschoolers are also part of bigger groups that get together regularly.
And just for reference, no schools are going to open with people like you out there propagating fear.
I was speaking of home schooling/virtual learing during Covid, not during normal times. Yes, of course, the kids will take part in other social interaction during normal times.
Propogating fear? Are you implying that the pandemic is somehow false, fake? The reason it's continuing is because there are a lot of people that refuse to even be somewhat careful and themselves propogate the disease. I'm not saying live in a bubble, but excercise care.
I have enjoyed reading this discussion.
But I actually think the schools have been over-educating about 60% of students when they get to the 8th grade. 40% or less are possibly college and leadership material. The other 60% or more need to get enough reading, writing, and arithmetic to be functional in a trade or industrial position. Way too many politicians, lawyers, and Socialogists/English majors.
We need equal opportunity for females to be Diesel Mechanics, Pipefitters, Drillers, welders, bulldozer drovers. Yes, even the red head females.
But I actually think the schools have been over-educating about 60% of students when they get to the 8th grade. 40% or less are possibly college and leadership material. The other 60% or more need to get enough reading, writing, and arithmetic to be functional in a trade or industrial position. Way too many politicians, lawyers, and Socialogists/English majors.
We need equal opportunity for females to be Diesel Mechanics, Pipefitters, Drillers, welders, bulldozer drovers. Yes, even the red head females.
Agree on that. Trade schools should be promoted more than they are. I know someone right now looking for welders paying big starting salary that can’t find anyone. Same thing with electricians.
We spent 25 years telling students that becoming a tradesman is socially beneath getting any college degree. The result is tons of liberal arts majors working as baristas at Starbucks and a massive need for essential tradesman.
A good plumber, electrician, carpenter, welder, or HVAC man or woman can make some serious money right now. Also, a lot more millionaires driving plumbing trucks than they are driving a Mercedes. The guy that framed my house told me he made $375,000 in 2019. Someone forgot to tell him that being a tradesman was low on the social pecking order!
A good plumber, electrician, carpenter, welder, or HVAC man or woman can make some serious money right now. Also, a lot more millionaires driving plumbing trucks than they are driving a Mercedes. The guy that framed my house told me he made $375,000 in 2019. Someone forgot to tell him that being a tradesman was low on the social pecking order!
The baby boomers told us a lot of things. We are living in a world shaped by them.
Ive seen this suggested a lot thru the last decade in op-eds and on message boards. Its an interesting idea, but it very much ignores a lot of negatives.
- tracking kids into a trade at 13 years old seems super early. They are barely a teenager and there is a ton of growth ahead of them where reducing the variety of education will hurt the kid's chances of being exposed to something they both enjoy and excel at.
- reducing education overall or specializing it too early will limit the kid's experiences and skillset for later in life.
- how much welding or plumbing training is needed from 13 to 18? Even 3 hours a week(3 classes weekly) for all of high school would be a ton of welding experience. That leaves a huge amount of time for traditional classes still. Really, its basically just an elective spot that is taken up. Does a 14 year old need half their day dedicated to welding or learning how to wire a house?
Again though, there should absolutely be trade classes in public schools. Auto repair, welding, robotics, plumbing, electricity, and more should all be topics that are available to learn and experience.
A big issue is that these offerings arent realistic in rural districts due to cost and interest. Having a fully stocked and working garage is expensive if only a handful of kids want to learn auto repair each semester. Its the same reason why many rural districts dont offer Japanese or Italian as a foreign language- the cost is too high and interest is too low.
The other issue is the long standing narrative that a college education is the safest way to statistically ensure a higher than average salary through life.
Some trade jobs are seen as risky to many because the work can be inconsistent. A general example- it does no good to claim the average hourly pay is $30/hour if work is inconsistent and only averages out to 30 hours per week through the year with many unplanned breaks. A specific example- welding job postings around me are listed at $16-32/hour. That just doesnt seem like a good enough reason to pull kids out of traditional schooling to dedicate a significant portion of their day to learning how to weld.
The other issue is wear and tear on the body- working as a Loan Specialist at Wells Fargo for 40 years is easy on the body- hell you have to actually decide to get movement in outside of work, since the job is so easy on the body. Working in a trade has a significantly higher risk to injury and long term wear and tear. The work is simply harder on the body.
There are some real hurdles that must be addressed and corrected before we collectively pull 60% of our teens out of most of their traditional schooling and direct them into learning trades.
High School as it is now is worthless to the majority of Students.... a good solution would be to use the 9th Grade to evaluate students to match their skill sets for future career and use grades 10-12 to partner with industry to train students for their career.... To be honest, probably more than 50% of College students in Mississippi have no business being in college.
Someone also forgot to tell him its tacky as **** to declare what your salary is.
...or someone forgot to tell the person he was talking to that its tacky as **** to ask.
I agree the stigma you mention is unproductive and unjustified.
Nearly every other country in the world does it that way. We are pretty much the lone ranger in how we do it.
How’s this?
HS A football team: players have to wear buffs even while playing, school doesn’t provide water as each player must bring their own, no sideline benches as players must bring their own chairs, and no buses to games.
HS B football teams (multiple): same restrictions but can only play teams in local geographic area.
HS A football team: players have to wear buffs even while playing, school doesn’t provide water as each player must bring their own, no sideline benches as players must bring their own chairs, and no buses to games.
HS B football teams (multiple): same restrictions but can only play teams in local geographic area.
LOL, Y'all still are under that delusion because I dared not march in lock step with you on one issue. I'm probably WAY more conservative than you are. I was the resident Nazi on the old MSU political board, at least according to the libs there.
Did you get selected for the small, but important field of civilian colorectal surgery inspections? If not, the system was a total failure and thank God for it's demise.
Silliness. You are actually the sheep by bowing to the almighty virus, which is the mainstream. People, like me, that are questioning the nonsense, are the outcast minority. Let's keep this truthful.
I'm sure you are conservative. Most boomers are, in their crotchety old age, because they realize conservatism benefits them. Most boomers are certainly looking out for themselves. That's why they are scared of Rona, and by damn, you better be too (for them). It's not their fault they have a bevy of health issues, damnit, they are on a diet (for the 385th time)!
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