Sort of like troll Allen who for example, just attacked me for using factual “ numbers”, yet a few posts above made two huge posts using lots of- you guessed it- numbers! What a moron.
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Mess he was left? Sounds like some right wing rewriting of history. Before Brown came in and wrecked things WVU was 4 ots from playing for a BIG 12 CCG and was winning at an 8 wins per year avg. for five years- much better than WVUs historical avg.
Just admit Brown hasnt been very good- has nothing to do with anyone but himself and his decisions. He hasnt “cleaned up”, he has messed up.
Right, it was Brown who had Jack Allison and a plethora of other non factors ready to step in the following year. It was a situation so great that DH decided to make a probably unprecedented move to voluntarily take a G5 job than coach them the next year. Brown has had plenty of failures thus far you can rip him for, year 1 is not one of them.
Also Brown could be the most worthless coach and sleazy human being on the planet. But that does not make Holgorsen any better. Holgorsen is Holgorsen and Brown is Brown. Neither affects the other. So no matter what Brown is, it does not make Holgorsen any better. After 8 years at WVU, the writing was on the wall that WVU would never seriously contend for a Big 12 title under his leadership. Sure he could deliver 7-8 wins most seasons with occasional 9-10 wins. But when it comes to fielding a team that could beat the top 3 teams in the league 3 out of 4 times in a season (what it usually takes to win a conference championship with the conference championship game), it was very clear a Holgorsen led WVU wasn't going to clear that hurdle.
All that to say, it makes some sense to ***** about Brown and even say he might be worse than Holgorsen. However, it is senseless to say that WVU shouldn't have moved on from Holgorsen if winning a Big 12 title is the goal.
Allison- 4 star receuit with limited playing time. Couple other guys too. Was not worse than Doege. And Brown brought in two Handpicked QBs who couldnt get the job done.
There isnt really an NCAA classification called G5- Holgorsen was offered more money, better recruiting possibilities, more ideal location and newer/better facilities along with a fanbase that wanted him. Nothing to do with your fake news story of nothing left— after all he had WVU winning 8 games per year average for five yrs ( better than WVUs historical avg). No one helped him get the players he had during that time. And Brown chased off 20 plus players including starters from what DH left.
Brown had a terrible year one- and two- and three. One of worst starts at WVU since the 1950s through many many coaches
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Yeah 5 wins, 6 wins is so great. Holgorsen won more games than anyone outside Nehlen against the toughest schedules ever faced and a switch to a major conference. Brown is beating fcs schools and Kansas and programs having down years. And barely at that.
Trying to excuse Brown because Holgorsen didnt reach the BIG I2 CCG is just sad. brown is the coach and its up to him to produce, recruit, retain, etc and he has shiwn little promise of accomplishing any of that.
lol...you. truly believe that is progress? what's kneel's record against D1 teams...P5 teams or Big12 teams? Here's a clue moron...south of the mediocrity line.
Lol DH gets a pass on Allison because he was a 4 star recruit? What kind of idiotic logic is that. I guess you have to praise Brown for bringing in the failed Austin Kendall, since you know that’s fine if the kid fooled Rivals into giving him stars.
If the goal is to be what we were with DH, then using year 3 as a measuring stick we’re well ahead of schedule as the year 3 record of DH was 4-8 (2-7).
Great post. We’re arguing about two average at best coaches here regardless how you wanna go about polishing the turd that is their resumes.
DH didnt play Allison until Greer left.
That doesnt mean Brown shouldnt have developed him. Honestly he lead WVU into the fourth quarter of a bowl neck and neck with a top 15 team with about two weeks practice and very little playing experience. It wasnt DHs job to leave anything anyway - it was and is Browns job to develop and coach and lead WVU to wins and he is failing in that very highly paid job.
we were told by some of you anyone could step in and immediately do better. Now the bs brigade is trying to sell a five to eight year plan to get to 7 wins? An overall average the previous coach was bashed for ( and only had because of one bad season). and the present one hasnt come close to so far three years in?
Holgorsen was terrible sveraging 8 wins for his last five and 7 wins overall die to one losing season, but 5-6 win Brown who is bleeding the roster and losing in droves three years in is great? Huh?
Browns had his opportunity extended inexplicably- just hope there is a major program left when its time for him to move on and end this debacle. Cant be much longer now .
Man do you even read? No one is defending Brown, the argument is DH left the cupboard empty, Brown has done little to fill it and it’s now his problem/failure. But DH 100% left the program in a bad way and had he stayed would not have been setup for any type of success in 2019. Would we have been better in 2020 and 2021? Probably, but 7 wins vs 6 wins doesn’t mean all that much.
Allison sucked. He would have always sucked regardless who the coach was. I just googled him and he apparently is a backup at the D2 level. That was DH’s starter going into 2019.
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Recruiting ratings don't mean much to me. I have been around long enough to know you find out what you have when it gets here. Jack Allison was fourth on the depth chart at Miami and its not like they have had any good qb's lately. Kendall was a 4 star he didn't show it when he got to Oklahoma/Wvu. Hopefully Nicco turns out to be the real thing but you won't know until it actually comes to fruition.
You're the one saying progress. Thanks for proving my point that winning pisses you off.
It still amazes me that people think what Neal Brown inherited wasn't a mess and a depleted roster.
Makes me wonder how those people function on a daily basis.
Makes me wonder how those people function on a daily basis.
2011: His highlights were beating Clemson in Orange with someone else players. Lost to last place SU in Big East.
2012: Losing 5 straight in first season of Big 12 with same team from Orange Bowl, Lost to SU in Bowl
2013: Upset Oklahoma State in 2013 4-8 dead zone season. Lost to 3-9 Kansas and 3-9 ISU
2014: Upset #4 Baylor then promptly lost 4 of final 6 including Liberty Bowl
2015: Went 0-4 in October again then beat a 6-6 team in Cactus Bowl
2016: Beat a bunch of worthless losers and lost to the only two teams with a pulse in Big 12. Lost to un-ranked Miami, Fl. in a bowl
2017: Lost to Va.Tech also lost final 3 games of season and Bowl to 6-6 Utah
2018: Best team since 2011 and finished 4th yet again lost last 3 games of season and then lost to SU in a bowl (0-3 vs a bad SU team)
WVU has been mediocre since firing Bill Stewart who also was a coach that burned down a top 5 team.
Save your lies and lame *** comments for the kelly green board.