Moving On to Rayball
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#25 nationally among ALL FBS GUARDS last year isn't what you would call good?
I'd hate to know your actual standards for field goal percentage from the 2 spot...
If he managed to again show the same improvement that he saw from year 1 to year 2(which I readily admit is virtually impossible), he'd be the #1 FG% guard in the country...
I'd hate to know your actual standards for field goal percentage from the 2 spot...
If he managed to again show the same improvement that he saw from year 1 to year 2(which I readily admit is virtually impossible), he'd be the #1 FG% guard in the country...
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And if Shaq had to shoot strictly jump shots, he'd suck too. Fortunately in basketball you can score in other ways than jump shots
Produce it *****. You keep making this accusation so 17ing produce it you lying 17ing ****.
When Sword stars averaging 30, then check back with me. Until then, 45% is not high average, no matter how you want to cherry pick the stats. It's not BAD, but it's not high average. It might be high average for this team....but it's not high average.
Nobody is arguing that. We haven't played anybody physically big enough to give us competition and we won't play anybody till SEC starts. We should be no worse than 10-3 start SEC and we still won't have played anybody. Florida St. isn't the same FSU this year. (It'll be interesting to see if Staley gets good minutes. I doubt he sees more than 10 minutes a game. But if he's a freak stud I will adjust my expectations) Any team in the SEC that forces us to shoot outside all game will beat us. Can they force us though? Will our defense step up in these games that we have to shoot more? We'll see.
#25 nationally among ALL FBS GUARDS last year isn't what you would call good?
I'd hate to know your actual standards for field goal percentage from the 2 spot...
If he managed to again show the same improvement that he saw from year 1 to year 2(which I readily admit is virtually impossible), he'd be the #1 FG% guard in the country...
And dethrone Zikiteran Woodley?
Craig Sword's 3-point percentage is 19%, 27% and 0% over his career. The last thing he is is a good shooter. He hits a decent average because he knows his limitations and plays to his strengths, so he rarely takes a shot over 5 feet away from the basket. He's a good player, but he's not a good shooter.
Not good for Sword. Vastly improved -- but not good. Hence why it was carefully worded initially...
It's high average for guards in D1 basketball, yes... And 45 is his career average -- a number that jumped 8% from year 1 to year 2.
It will be surprising to see him at 48% this year without the benefit of the complete slate of OOC games to pad those numbers like he did last year, when he shot 56% before posting a 42% rate in conference play. I also note that you inserted him into the stats because he didn't have enough attempts to qualify by NCAA standards. He was close, but didn't even shoot enough for the NCAA to recognize him.
45% is not bad. Most teams would like their shooting guard to be able to.....shoot. Ours can't. He's a driver with no outside game whatsoever. Get your head out of the spreadsheet and watch some games man.
45% is not bad. Most teams would like their shooting guard to be able to.....shoot. Ours can't. He's a driver with no outside game whatsoever. Get your head out of the spreadsheet and watch some games man.
You are seriously going to deny it now? Let me guess -- you've been on the Ray train all along too now? Sifting through your posting history is so Goatish -- it's almost difficult to call you on individual stupidities because the vast majority of your basketball posts contain at least one stupidity worth being called. Here is your comments from ONE THREAD. JUST.ONE.THREAD.
THANK GOODNESS WE ARE FOLLOWING THE MEMPHIS MODEL AND DROPPING GAMES TO CHRISTIAN BROTHERS...Dawg61;131331[B said:
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HAHAHAHAHA
One. Friggin. Thread. I'd be happy to link -- but it's on the other site. If I had the time or patience, I might read a couple more threads containing the other couple hundred instances of you advocating for the cutting of Fred Thomas....
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UH -- his 3 point percentage also went up 8% from year 1 to year 2 -- and he is 6-14 from 3 over his last 8 games. I'd say that's a pretty solid foundation.
What do you base this supposed "lack of improvement" on?
Prepare to be surprised. He had zero help on the perimeter last year. This year, he has some. He was also zero threat to shoot -- something that has improved notably. Teams aren't going to be able to back 2 steps off of Sword and double Ware low and consistently beat us this year...
Fred Thomas, IJ Ready, and Maurice Dunlap can't shoot? Sword will share time at the 2 this year -- it was almost exclusively his last year. Thomas has adjusted to the spot very well. This is also why we've tried Sword at point -- it's how we get our best players on the floor together...
And Fred Thomas could do none of the above.... 6 months ago....
I expect Sword to shoot north of 30% from 3 this year. Will he ever be a great shooter? Probably not. But I still think he can be a serviceable shooter and a great overall player for us...
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Dang. Not to get in the middle of a good squabble, but a tip of the hat to Engie for "producing" it. Hard to take 61 serious after that.
Good I never take myself serious. Engie is blowing his wad because Flat Shot Fred has dominated the mighty midgets. We'll see how he does when he actually can see eye to eye with his defender. Kind of expect it to be like his last game last year. 15 or so points in the first half and then a ghost in the second.
I notice that you have zero issue with my proposal to cut the other three. You just like Flat Shot. Fine. Maybe you're from Jackson. Maybe I don't give a 17. My point stands regardless. We'd be a much better team with some positive forced turnover.
LOL at engie still. You would think someone who improved a whole 8% from freshman to sophomore year wouldn't see his 3 pt attempts drop by about a third in that same time frame. You know why that happens....because 27% still sucks from three.
And 6-14 from three over his last 8 games (it was actually 9) is the most engie statement ever. Spans two years, ignores two full years of data for a small cherry picked sample, and hopes that it won't be pointed out that prior to that hot streak, Sword was 3 for 22.
And 6-14 from three over his last 8 games (it was actually 9) is the most engie statement ever. Spans two years, ignores two full years of data for a small cherry picked sample, and hopes that it won't be pointed out that prior to that hot streak, Sword was 3 for 22.
I love it when you start going statement by statement.
The perimeter help he has this year is off to a blazing 29% start from three this year. Ready and Dunlap are 3-20. I would play nothing but zone against us and DARE everyone on the team to make me get out of it. Even with all of that, I was referring solely to Sword as the 2 guard who can't shoot. I forgot about the grand plan to play him at point, where he was a turnover machine two years ago, and we have two true PGs on the roster already, but whatever Ricky Ray. It's your world.
Is a "serviceable shooter" the same thing as a "high percentage guy"? Doesn't sound like the same thing to me.
The perimeter help he has this year is off to a blazing 29% start from three this year. Ready and Dunlap are 3-20. I would play nothing but zone against us and DARE everyone on the team to make me get out of it. Even with all of that, I was referring solely to Sword as the 2 guard who can't shoot. I forgot about the grand plan to play him at point, where he was a turnover machine two years ago, and we have two true PGs on the roster already, but whatever Ricky Ray. It's your world.
Is a "serviceable shooter" the same thing as a "high percentage guy"? Doesn't sound like the same thing to me.
Your Thomas statement was the only one that was total, outright stupidity. And we did have some "positive forced turnover" -- or did you forget about that already? You were the guy bitching about it not happening -- then you were the guy bitching because it did. It's really just bitching for the sake of bitching and impossible to be taken seriously.
Smarter attempts is part of maturing as a player. He improved across the board. Drastically.
So do you think what happened half a career ago is a better reference for what will happen in the future -- than the most recent past? I'm confused why you are attempting to refute the fact that Sword looked to actually have some potential as a shooter late last year. I've yet to see a player experience a drop-off year under Ray. Pardon me if, until I do, I expect them to continue to improve.
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Where did I say they had started lights out for us this year? In fact, I've said quite the contrary. Do you truly believe they are 15% shooters? If not -- then you also expect them to improve. Which is what I said they'd do. Both are 30-40% jumpshooters. It's just a matter of time. And so is Daniels and Houston for that matter. If you can't see shooter potential in all 4 of those guys, you need "to get your head out of the stat book and go actually watch a game" like you told me to do.
I would as well. We've got to step up. The last two have been total shitburgers.
I was careful in my initial wording on purpose.
Because what happens when a kid shows up at MSU is a direct indication of what he will always be? What good is "two true PGs" when they are your 7th and 8th best players? The overall goal is to get our best 5 on the court together -- with Fred being our best shooter from the 2 -- and Daniels being our best 3 -- thus basically relegating Sword and Thomas to spelling each other if both are to play the 2. Fred is our best defender and Sword is our best guy in transition. Bloodman has improved, but Ready is a huge defensive liability. Ideally, you get both of their threats on the floor together -- and you don't sacrifice the lineup size and diversity that comes with Fred at the 3 over Daniels. The only way to have your cake and eat it too is for Sword to grow into a role at point.
A top 25 FG% Guard is a "high percentage guy".
Being a high percentage guy doesn't necessarily translate into being a great shooter. Sword isn't. That's why I didn't call him one.