MSU 2014 Draft Potentials

[GhostofJerious]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...est-nfl-prospects-for-the-bulldogs-in-2013-14

What do y'all think of this guy's picks for potential draft picks next year? You think Jackson goes higher than Russell?

 

[Railin Jemmye]

WAIT!!!! Cadaver, Coach34 and the rest of the Goof Troop told me......

....that we should start Dak over Russell!!!!

 

[GhostofJerious]

It could be argued Dak gives us a better chance to win, but Russell is a better pro prospect.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

No it couldn't.

 

[Arvydas Sabonis]

Agreed. Dak can make things happen, but Russell is a better NFL prospect based on tangibles alone.

 

[ckDOG]

Fixed it.

It could be argued the concept of Dak gives us a better chance to win, but Russell is a better pro prospect.

Dual threats should be better in our system. We haven't seen him on the field enough to know if Dak, in particular, would give us the better shot at winning though...

 

[Railin Jemmye]

Someone finally gets it. I'm sure if Cam Newton or Tim Tebow or Alex Smith were here, yeah, he'd probably give us a better shot at winning than Russell. And furthermore, speculating on Prescott without him ever giving any proof whatsoever that he's ready, is just accelerating the MSU QB curse. All these morons will be booing and calling for us to bench Tyler when he throws the first interceptions, because, like always, the backup QB at MSU is always better. Nevermind that we have a bonafide proven QB guru running our offense. I guess our fans just know more than Mullen.

 

[GhostofJerious]

I assume..

You are calling anyone who thinks Dak gives us a better chance of winning a "moron", and saying we will boo when Tyler throws a pick. Personally, I don't boo players under any circumstance (not even Dontae Walker on Senior Day, when 30,000+ booed). I just think schematically, Dak would give us a more solid identity and give us a better chance to win. Also, 18-29 for 194 and 4 TD's and 4 rushing TD's last year isn't exactly what I'd call "any proof whatsoever". Yeah, I get it is a small sample size, but I don't think you should totally discount the sample we have.

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[Requiem For A Dawg]

....that we should start Dak over Russell!!!!

Anyone can write for Bleacher Report. It's not like Mel Kiper wrote this article.

 

[GhostofJerious]

So you don't think..

Russell would be a better draft pick than Dak? That's sort of what you're implying by disagreeing with the article.

 

[RougeDawg]

Please go back to your DVR and watch our last 2 games...

And your answer to this would be crystal clear.

One of the QBs looked scared and close to shitting his pants and the other was Bulldozing opposing defenses, only to be stopped by falst starts by O-Lineman and "cute" play calling by Les and/or Dan.

And given, our play calling with Russell in the game, hasn't exactly been stellar either. When russel is in the game, we have a look of confusion and nothing looks easy. He stands back there, concrete feet and all, and takes days to let go of the ball. Defenses Tee off on us in passing situations with him back there.

Given that We don't have a huge sample from Dak, what we have seen should only indicate that our offense is pretty damn fluid and consistent when he's in there. He makes the RB better by taking heat off. If he doesn't play at minimum 30% of our plays next year, we will not make a bowl game.Russell in the game is way too predictable for us to beat any of the better defenses.

 

[Coach34]

Anyone can write for Bleacher Report. It's not like Mel Kiper wrote this article.

THIS

As usual, Goat is a raving embecile.

Dak is the best fit OUR offense. That crap we ran last year to try and make Russell fit it was terrible. We need to make some real changes for Russell- but we wont. We'll just piece it together one more season until he graduates. If we ran Alabama's or LSU's offense- Russell would be the much better fit obviously. That's football. Our offense doesnt work near as well without a mobile QB. Eliminating the zone read from our offense severely hampers it.

Gabe Jackson will be a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick. Autry is the only player we have with a chance to match that. I hope like hell he can- but I'm not counting on it.

Russell is around the 8th or 9th rated QB for the 2014 draft right now- which a late round pick. He can play his way up or out of it and it's going to be tough for him with inexperienced WR's and a tough *** schedule this Fall. Russell was 90-159 in our losses for just over 1,000 yards. 5 TD's and 9 INT's. Two Pick-6's and a couple of fumbles. He is going to have play better in big games if he wants to be drafted. It's as simple as that.

Whitley should be drafted. Deonte Skinner is the one I'm watching. I said two years ago I thought he would be drafted- we'll see what he does this season to make that happen. He has the size and speed to play in the NFL

 

[NCDawg.sixpack]

And your answer to this would be crystal clear.

One of the QBs looked scared and close to shitting his pants and the other was Bulldozing opposing defenses, only to be stopped by falst starts by O-Lineman and "cute" play calling by Les and/or Dan.

And given, our play calling with Russell in the game, hasn't exactly been stellar either. When russel is in the game, we have a look of confusion and nothing looks easy. He stands back there, concrete feet and all, and takes days to let go of the ball. Defenses Tee off on us in passing situations with him back there.

Given that We don't have a huge sample from Dak, what we have seen should only indicate that our offense is pretty damn fluid and consistent when he's in there. He makes the RB better by taking heat off. If he doesn't play at minimum 30% of our plays next year, we will not make a bowl game.Russell in the game is way too predictable for us to beat any of the better defenses.

I agree with this post. Dak gives us the option of a running QB. Tyler doesn't, and we need a running QB to be successful in Mullen's offense imo.

 

[LandArchDawg]

Can you imagine how badass we would have been in Sherrill's best years if we had a quarterback like Russell then?

 

[Coach34]

Can you imagine how badass we would have been in Sherrill's best years if we had a quarterback like Russell then?

no doubt.

 

[OzarkaNSW]

mel keiper is a douche bag

 

[CadaverDawg]

....that we should start Dak over Russell!!!!

What an idiot you are.

Once again in fear of us being right, you totally construe what we've said about the QB debate. You and Cookie have the same problem with not being able to read. You want so bad for us to be "bad mouthing Tyler" or "thinking the #2 QB is always better", but you know damn well that's not what we're saying.

Coach said it perfectly in this thread, as did Ghost and a few others....Nobody is arguing that Tyler is the better pro prospect, and nobody is saying that Dak is a better QB overall. What I'm saying, is that Dak fits Mullen's system better and gives us a better chance of success this year.

We have all of the necessary tools returning for Dak to be the more successful QB for us this year...OLine returning, RB's returning, and a defense that should be solid against the run. Those all benefit a ground attack that can run clock and shorten the game.

If Russell starts, which he will...he will have limited WR experience, coaches that have proven no ability to call a good passing gameplan, nor have they proven to adjust to a more effective formation to fit their QB. The results will be a defense that is on the field all game, and us trying to win shoot outs without experienced receivers, and coaches that can't call plays in a shoot out.

So the bottom line is...IF Mullen changed the offense, MAYBE we could do something effective and successful with Tyler's great passing skills. But even then, WHY? Why change the 17ing offense for 1 damn season? Why not just scrap trying to have a pass first offense, when you know the following 4 years will be run heavy.....AND you can probably win just as many games, if not more, by running your bread and butter offense with a lesser Pro QB like Dak, than you could by changing the entire offense to fit Tyler better ANYWAY due to the personnel around the QB being more suitable for a running attack.

It s quite simple really...You and Cookie and all others wanting Tyler to start in a Mullen offense, is nothing more than your MState attitude of "we've never had a good passing QB, now we do so we HAVE to play him". If our head coach weren't Mullen, I would agree with you. Do you want wins? Or do you want passing records? Dak and the ground game will get you wins, but less sex appeal and passing yards....Tyler and a bunch of terribly called and designed pass plays will get you passing yards and less wins.

Tyler's fault? No, he's great. Mullen's system is the problem for Tyler, and it's the perfect fit for Dak.

 

[CadaverDawg]

And your answer to this would be crystal clear.

One of the QBs looked scared and close to shitting his pants and the other was Bulldozing opposing defenses, only to be stopped by falst starts by O-Lineman and "cute" play calling by Les and/or Dan.

And given, our play calling with Russell in the game, hasn't exactly been stellar either. When russel is in the game, we have a look of confusion and nothing looks easy. He stands back there, concrete feet and all, and takes days to let go of the ball. Defenses Tee off on us in passing situations with him back there.

Given that We don't have a huge sample from Dak, what we have seen should only indicate that our offense is pretty damn fluid and consistent when he's in there. He makes the RB better by taking heat off. If he doesn't play at minimum 30% of our plays next year, we will not make a bowl game.Russell in the game is way too predictable for us to beat any of the better defenses.

Great post...I agree

 

[Railin Jemmye]

What I'm saying, is that Dak fits Mullen's system better and gives us a better chance of success this year.

This is where you guys go wrong.

I think a mobile QB is better for Mullen's offense too. But when you take a SENIOR, veteran Tyler Russell vs. a SOPHOMORE, unproven Dak Prescott......the choice is easy. The coaches see them at practice, they know who the leader of the team is. It's Russell, not Prescott.

I, too, think there's nothing but success in Prescott's future (maybe more than Russell) once he becomes a veteran. But for NEXT YEAR, it's simply not his time. YET.

Let me say this again. Russell is a 5th year senior who is being considered for the NFL draft and has set a bunch of MSU passing records. Not to mention went 8-5 and is considered to be the leader of the team. Prescott is a sophomore who has come in (in situations that played to his strengths) and has helped a little. He's never been the starter.

The answer here is clear. Especially since, yet again, it was not our offense last year that was our problem.

 

[CadaverDawg]

This is where you guys go wrong.

I think a mobile QB is better for Mullen's offense too. But when you take a SENIOR, veteran Tyler Russell vs. a SOPHOMORE, unproven Dak Prescott......the choice is easy. The coaches see them at practice, they know who the leader of the team is. It's Russell, not Prescott.

I, too, think there's nothing but success in Prescott's future (maybe more than Russell) once he becomes a veteran. But for NEXT YEAR, it's simply not his time. YET.

Let me say this again. Russell is a 5th year senior who is being considered for the NFL draft and has set a bunch of MSU passing records. Not to mention went 8-5 and is considered to be the leader of the team. Prescott is a sophomore who has come in (in situations that played to his strengths) and has helped a little. He's never been the starter.

The answer here is clear. Especially since, yet again, it was not our offense last year that was our problem.

I could be a 17ing veteran 4 star General in the Army, but if I'm leading my troops into battle without guns or bullets we will probably get beat. What good is Tyler's leadership if it doesn't lead to wins?

I would rather have a QB that fit the system my coach runs, than a veteran that fits like a square peg in a round hole. And if you want to keep telling yourself the defense was the only problem last year, you're even dumber than I thought.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

if I'm leading my troops into battle without guns or bullets we will probably get beat.

We set offensive records last year.

What good is Tyler's leadership if it doesn't lead to wins?

8 regular season wins last year. How many 8 win regular seasons has MSU had in its history, 12 or so? Not many, and Mullen has 2 and King Jackie has 3 of them.

I would rather have a QB that fit the system my coach runs, than a veteran that fits like a square peg in a round hole.

Did you watch Croom at all? THAT was fitting a square peg in a round hole. Mullen took the best personnel he had, and molded it. It may not be to your liking, but he did it.

And if you want to keep telling yourself the defense was the only problem last year, you're even dumber than I thought.

The main offensive problem was an average offensive line, who looked good against below average teams and bad against above average teams. That will improve with age next year and magically (to people like you without a brain), so will our offense.

you're even dumber than I thought.

Aaaand....you're done.

 

[Coach34]

And if you want to keep telling yourself the defense was the only problem last year, you're even dumber than I thought.

We are talking about Goat ya know

Offense was not our problem, yet:

We only managed a Dak-led garbage TD vs Bama
We only had 2 first downs in the 1st half vs A&M
We went wild on LSU and scored 17 points- but also gave them 7 back with a pick-6
With 3 turnovers given to us by the defense- Russell put up 10 points vs Mississippi- we scored 14 on a KO return and another Dak-led garbage TD
And finally, the offense gave Northwestern 14 points in the first half to allow them to take control of the bowl game- with 4 INT's in all.

Yep- the offense wasnt our problem...nothing to see here

 

[Railin Jemmye]

Dak-led garbage TD

Define irony. Using the garbage TD to prop up Prescott at the same time too dumb to see you trivialized it calling it a garbage TD to begin with.

Dipshit.

 

[CadaverDawg]

We set offensive records last year.

We set MSU offensive records last year. Big difference. And they still led to an unproductive offense overall.

8 regular season wins last year. How many 8 win regular seasons has MSU had in its history, 12 or so? Not many, and Mullen has 2 and King Jackie has 3 of them.

Ignoring the schedule and how the offense performed vs anybody decent? Yes you are.

Did you watch Croom at all? THAT was fitting a square peg in a round hole. Mullen took the best personnel he had, and molded it. It may not be to your liking, but he did it.

Yea, he molded last years offense into an overall poor offense with terrible play calls and no quality wins. BUT he DID manage to get enough passing yards to fool idiots like you into thinking that meant "great offense".

The main offensive problem was an average offensive line, who looked good against below average teams and bad against above average teams. That will improve with age next year and magically (to people like you without a brain), so will our offense.

I agree that the o-line will improve, but how does that help your argument? Tyler didn't get sacked a ton last year. We aren't going to run the ball better with Russell in there. And finally, nobody said the offense wouldn't be better...it just won't be as good as it could be with Dak. And you trying to change the argument proves that you know you're wrong.

Aaaand....you're done.

Yep, done whipping your ***.

Terrible effort.

 

[chew1095]

And has 17ed up hair.

 

[Lawdawg.sixpack]

Who the hell is Mel Kiper?

...

 

[madisonmd]

A couple of notes, local MD was at combine recently working and said several scouts were talking very highly about Russell's pro potential. secondly, know docs that operated on Dak, pretty severe injury! Will really need to watch him. One noted normal recovery would be 12 months.

 

[121Josey]

Bleacher Report = Rivals Recruiting

What do y'all think of this guy's picks for potential draft picks next year? You think Jackson goes higher than Russell?

Here's who I think are our draft prospects:
1. Jackson
2. Russell
3. Skinner
4. Autry
5. Cox

I do not entertain any thought of Siddoway or Whitley getting drafted. For Jackson to make the first round, he has to play lights-out. OG are not coveted on the first day of the draft.

And this talk above about Dak giving us a better chance to win is unfounded. Dak plays his roll well now and will see an increased role this next year. But have you forgotten how many times he's short-hopped a bubble screen at the line? For a parallel situation, how long do you think the "Bell Dozer" holds on to his starting job when teams force Oklahoma to throw the ball? I expect TR to start the season lights-out since he will get all the reps in Spring with Dak on the mend and his last 5 ints on his mind. If TR stays at 8, which is probable, he'll go in the 3-4 round.

We wouldn't need the QB to run the ball if we had a RB who could run between the tackles. If we had an Anthony Dixon or Vic Ballard, TR's mobility wouldn't be an issue. Our greatest loss for 2014 might be Nick Griffin. Coach34 referenced the 17 points we rolled off in the first half in Baton Rouge. A lot of that had to do with Griffin/Robinson. Let's hope Robinson picks up the slack. Plus, we return the entire starting o-line. I fully expect the O to focus more on controlling the line of scrimmage than the unfortunate 5 receiver sets we saw in 2012.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

It s quite simple really...You and Cookie...Tyler's fault? No, he's great.

It is simple. If Tyler is great and Mullen can't use him then Mullen should find another profession.

This conversation is stale. The only reason I'm responding is because you mentioned me. But arguing with you is like playing checkers with my nephew. It's cute that you try but it's not exactly a challenge. You think Mullen can't utilize Russell. I think he can and hope he will. I don't think I've posted about it in quite a while. If only you'd do the same...

 

[Railin Jemmye]

100% agreed.

 

[Coach34]

A couple of notes, local MD was at combine recently working and said several scouts were talking very highly about Russell's pro potential. secondly, know docs that operated on Dak, pretty severe injury! Will really need to watch him. One noted normal recovery would be 12 months.

before surgery it was said he would be ready the last week of Spring- but obviously wouldnt practice as a precaution...hard to believe it was that much worse once they got inside

 

[DAWG61]

No doubt Prescott is the better runner but everyone seems to be discounting just how accurate of a passer Russell is. Give me Russell until he starts putting up Northwestern performances. He's earned enough of a leash in my book to start and I hope we never see another NW performance again. When he's on he is really on. His first half against Tennessee he played like the best QB in the country. If he plays like that MSU can win more games with him than with Dak. If he plays average ball then I agree MSU most likely wins more with Dak but Dak isn't 100%. Why rush his process and potentially lose out on what he can do for MSU his last 2 years. If you play him at less than 100% you're making a huge mistake imo. If Dak isn't going to be 100% for most of the season I say give him a MRS and he will have 3 seasons to start and hopefully be 100%. His turf toe might be a blessing in disguise here.

Speaking of injuries does anyone have any news on Nick Griffin?

 

[Coach34]

When he's on he is really on. His first half against Tennessee he played like the best QB in the country. If he plays like that MSU can win more games with him

EVERYBODY played like that vs Tennessee

Florida 37 points
Georgia 51 points
Bama 44 points
SC 38 points
Troy 48 points
Missouri 51 points
Vandy 41 points

What he did vs Tennessee everybody was doing also

 

[DAWG61]

Good point. Dak just had surgery though so him getting the nod over Russell is out the window for now. Why risk it? Are we going to be a 10 game winner next year with Dak? No so I say give him more than enough time to heel and that way you get 3 full seasons as him the #1 and zero QB controversy to boot.

 

[Coach34]

Good point. Dak just had surgery though so him getting the nod over Russell is out the window for now. Why risk it? Are we going to be a 10 game winner next year with Dak? No so I say give him more than enough time to heel and that way you get 3 full seasons as him the #1 and zero QB controversy to boot.

Dak will be fine by August- but we all know Dak isnt going to start. Russell is.

The worry comes in about the bowl streak staying alive. We can win 6 games with Dak at QB- grinding it out ball control, playing D...etc....alot of us are convinced if we run that same turd of a gameplan we ran last year- we wont win 6 games. A new group of WR's doesnt help the situation.

It's a good discussion and has merits on both sides. But nobody thinks Dak is going to start at QB next year unless Tyler gets hurt or we get off to a very bad start on offense

 

[DAWG61]

I have zero worries we get 6 wins. 4 guaranteed wins and only need 2 out of Auburn, Arkansas, Ole Miss. That doesn't include the 1 win everyone thinks is a loss this year out of the remaing 5. We all thought we were getting shelled by Arkansas this year so one of those 5 will have a disappointing season which includes a loss to MSU. Might be LSU? They come here and have lost a lot of players earlier than expected. I think Dan finds a way to go 7-5. Sure would be sweet if Dan can start out the year beating the Cowboys but I'm not feeling confident on that one.

 

[madisonmd]

This is same injury that ended Deion's career. Also, Lacy has this injury. Bama was injecting his toe twice per game. Draft status now in peril. Doc said Bama players show up every year at combine beat to hell and back!

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

This thread is a perfect example of SPS discussion. The article is about the players most likely to have NFL appeal and the thread turns into another Russell vs Dak debate.

Russell has a lot of upside for a Pro offense. Then again he could turn into another Jason Campbell, a guy with all the tools but just can't put it together on the next level.

As far as the usual inserted debate goes... I guess I am in the minority because I am comfortable with either QB in the game this season. I think that Russell will have a better OL and WR crew to help him shine better this season, and consequently, Dak has a better OL and deep RB corp to help him run his style of offense if the situation dictates it.

The thing I remember most from last season was both of these guys really celebrated when the other had success on the field. I hope they continue this attitude with each other since the bottom line that is overlooked by most folks is it is really both of them against the world again due to the lack of depth we have at this position. the lack of depth concerns me much, much more that which guy can give the best results this fall, especially when you factor in Dak's injury.

 

[patdog]

alot of us are convinced if we run that same turd of a gameplan we ran last year- we wont win 6 games. A new group of WR's doesnt help the situation.

I think we can all agree on this. Mullen has been too inflexible in running "his" offense instead of the offense best suited to his players. I can understand a little making that mistake one year. It's not one he needs to make again next year though.

 

[patdog]

If we underperform as much next year as we did this past year, we'll struggle to get 6 wins.