Mullen on Russel
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thanks.
I've said the Russell is not much of a running threat. We would have to change the offense a little to have him run it. We were in no way ready to do that this August because of our WR's. And neither was he. I've maintained all along that he wasnt going to be ready for SEC football, especially in August and September.
Now from some accounts he's adjusting and looking much better. Thats good to hear.
If we get Newton, then he has to battle for the back-up job the next years. I still maintain that he could possibly transfer. Hopefully he doesnt and will be here the whole time. We'll see in the next 2 weeks which direction we are headed once Newton announces his decision
I've said the Russell is not much of a running threat. We would have to change the offense a little to have him run it. We were in no way ready to do that this August because of our WR's. And neither was he. I've maintained all along that he wasnt going to be ready for SEC football, especially in August and September.
Now from some accounts he's adjusting and looking much better. Thats good to hear.
If we get Newton, then he has to battle for the back-up job the next years. I still maintain that he could possibly transfer. Hopefully he doesnt and will be here the whole time. We'll see in the next 2 weeks which direction we are headed once Newton announces his decision
Many times qbs take less of a beating b/c the defense can't blitz as much due to being spread out. Where the beating comes in is running the option and that happens in traditional option offenses also. In fact it happens less in the spread style out of the gun b/c the qb can see defenders coming easier.
It's clear to me now that NFL teams value spread QBs out of college. I have no doubt NFL teams plan to have the spread installed tomorrow, will abandon running plays from under center, and may perhaps put in the speed option next year.
Sorry Ryan Mallet, you're screwed. Where do I get my Tim Tebow #1 draft pick jersey for next year?
Sorry Ryan Mallet, you're screwed. Where do I get my Tim Tebow #1 draft pick jersey for next year?
Spread offense means exactly what it says and nothing else. You spread people out. Some teams run a "spread" offense and it looks nothing like (scheme wise) as another teams "spread" offense.
Some coaches have been doing it for years. Hell you don't even have to line up 4 and 5 wide to do it, although it helps.
Some coaches have been doing it for years. Hell you don't even have to line up 4 and 5 wide to do it, although it helps.
Because taking a snap from center is something that you will see at the combine this year... Tim Tebow will not be an NFL QB not because he doesn't line up under center enough in college... It's because he doesn't have the arm strength or accuracy to play that position in the league. Ryan Mallet has the tools to be an NFL QB and he plays in a spread system in college.
I agree that he's not an option QB.
We won't have to change the offense a little for Russell, we'll have to change it a lot. The last two games, our entire offense was based on various ways to run option football. If we keep that package, it won't be Russell running it.
Where I don't agree with you is your assertion that he doesn't have a place in a Mullen offense. I believe Mullen can adjust. If Newton doesn't come, Russell will be the QB and our offense will have a much more sophisticated passing attack. If I'm wrong about Mullen, then I guess we'll be watching Relf run some version of the wishbone next year.
We won't have to change the offense a little for Russell, we'll have to change it a lot. The last two games, our entire offense was based on various ways to run option football. If we keep that package, it won't be Russell running it.
Where I don't agree with you is your assertion that he doesn't have a place in a Mullen offense. I believe Mullen can adjust. If Newton doesn't come, Russell will be the QB and our offense will have a much more sophisticated passing attack. If I'm wrong about Mullen, then I guess we'll be watching Relf run some version of the wishbone next year.
College spread offenses thrive so much on mistakes of the defense and creating mismatches. It's much less about precision and timing, and much more about taking advantage of weaknesses in the defense. College players rely much more on athletic ability than a combination of athleticism and decision making.
When they get to the NFL, it's just the opposite. A guy like Reggie Bush can look like a god in college, but is an average RB or WR in the NFL. On the flipside, Lance Long is worthless in college but can make an NFL team. Passing in the NFL relies more on precision & timing - and that goes for both the QB & WR. These "system QBs" aren't used to that. Spread QBs and WRs can build a career running gimmick type plays every down in college, but those same plays will only work every so often in the NFL. They have to adjust their game, and that adjustment is what often causes problems - regardless of whether they take snaps from under center or in the shotgun.
When they get to the NFL, it's just the opposite. A guy like Reggie Bush can look like a god in college, but is an average RB or WR in the NFL. On the flipside, Lance Long is worthless in college but can make an NFL team. Passing in the NFL relies more on precision & timing - and that goes for both the QB & WR. These "system QBs" aren't used to that. Spread QBs and WRs can build a career running gimmick type plays every down in college, but those same plays will only work every so often in the NFL. They have to adjust their game, and that adjustment is what often causes problems - regardless of whether they take snaps from under center or in the shotgun.
"Spread" may be a bad word, so let's go with "system" QB. But, I can't help it if NFL scouts are biased against system QB's - which most are some variant of a spread. I'm not saying you can't be a good NFL QB after being a "system" QB. But, I am saying you have a far less chance at being evaluated positively and having an NFL team draft you if you come from that environment. Which was my original point in that Newton (or any other QB prospect) could factor in when deciding on where to play college football.
A QB in our system would likely be considered a system QB. The effectiveness theQB has could easily be attributed to the dual-purpose factor (run and pass) and the NFL potential that he would display could be skewed - just like Tebow. Basically, scouts are scared of this type of QB because of their unknowns. Combines are likely not going to ease scouts worries enough considering the investment required for a NFL QB. If they are going to err on picking a QB, they are going to skew their choice to non-system QBs.
Mallet is NOT a system QB. Ark may run a variant of the spread, but I don't think anyone would argue that him dropping back in play action and killing you with the deep route is a product of the system. It's a product of his cannon arm, accuracy, and touch. There's no perceived gimmick to Arkansas' system. Mallet's effectiveness is clearly Mallet, not the system.
A QB in our system would likely be considered a system QB. The effectiveness theQB has could easily be attributed to the dual-purpose factor (run and pass) and the NFL potential that he would display could be skewed - just like Tebow. Basically, scouts are scared of this type of QB because of their unknowns. Combines are likely not going to ease scouts worries enough considering the investment required for a NFL QB. If they are going to err on picking a QB, they are going to skew their choice to non-system QBs.
Mallet is NOT a system QB. Ark may run a variant of the spread, but I don't think anyone would argue that him dropping back in play action and killing you with the deep route is a product of the system. It's a product of his cannon arm, accuracy, and touch. There's no perceived gimmick to Arkansas' system. Mallet's effectiveness is clearly Mallet, not the system.
because if Newton doesnt come, i believe we will use Russell and Relf at QB. Mullen will be flexible, but he is not going to get away from the zone read...he even had Tyson Lee run it. We will upgrade the passing attack with Russell and also let Relf do his thing.
in being a part-time option team.
Like you said, we even had Lee running it. Lee had to, it was our offense.
It could be that we start with Russell and struggle because we still don't have the WRs to make it work. Then our running game won't be as effective and we turn more and more to Relf. Eventually, we again become a fulltime option team.
OR
We have better WRs than I think and we become a passing team with the occassional single wing set with Relf.
Like you said, we even had Lee running it. Lee had to, it was our offense.
It could be that we start with Russell and struggle because we still don't have the WRs to make it work. Then our running game won't be as effective and we turn more and more to Relf. Eventually, we again become a fulltime option team.
OR
We have better WRs than I think and we become a passing team with the occassional single wing set with Relf.
that Tyler Russell wouldn't be ready to step in and play as a true freshman. And while I know a fair amount about football, I'm no expert by any means. I still think Russell will be a very good QB for us when he does play. I just hope he doesn't become our starter until 2012. But we'll be fine with a Russell/Relf 2-QB system next year if we don't sign Newton.
because the fact of the matter is you are right- a lot of NFL scouts do worry about spread QB's lack of taking snaps from under center. I think that's just the one and only factor, though. I don't really see the spread going anywhere in the NFL, but at the same time, I don't see formations where the QB is under center going anywhere either. The reason being is because NFL defenses are so good, you have to be multiple. Even a team like the Patriots or Saints have to take snaps from under center from time to time because they have to be able to run the ball in certain situations- like when they are winning.
As far as Newton, allegedly Mullen has told him that he is going to put in some "pro-style" sets in our offense- just for him. Now, he could have been blowing smoke up his *** to get him to come here, but at the same time, I think Dan can throw in an occasional I-formation with Cam and make it work, and make everyone happy. We already run about 3-4 plays a game from under center as it is. Honestly, if we did that, our offense would be very similar to what the Saints and Patriots run right now, with the exception that we run option plays and would be in the shotgun even more.
It looks like Cam's other visit is Oklahoma, and they're not exactly what I would call a QB factory, and then you have the fact that Stoops is a candidate for the ND job.
As far as Newton, allegedly Mullen has told him that he is going to put in some "pro-style" sets in our offense- just for him. Now, he could have been blowing smoke up his *** to get him to come here, but at the same time, I think Dan can throw in an occasional I-formation with Cam and make it work, and make everyone happy. We already run about 3-4 plays a game from under center as it is. Honestly, if we did that, our offense would be very similar to what the Saints and Patriots run right now, with the exception that we run option plays and would be in the shotgun even more.
It looks like Cam's other visit is Oklahoma, and they're not exactly what I would call a QB factory, and then you have the fact that Stoops is a candidate for the ND job.
but haven't we come out in shotgun formation with split backs and then Tyson would walk under center and backs line in an I set?
NorthMsDawg said:
that's actually a two TE set. I know, semantics, but it is under center, and that is what I was referring to when I said we're under center 3-4 times a game.