Mullen out to solve Bulldogs QB quandary...
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Jackie definitely wanted Jason Campbell but apparently, due to some issues that the family had with our coaching staff regarding Larry Campbell's (Jason's brother) time at MSU, Jason wouldn't give us much consideration.
Also, I hope the being "THE Quarterback at MSU" sales pitch goes better this year than it apparently went over last year with guys like Newton and Brunetti and the rest of our QB targets that all turned us down.
Also, I hope the being "THE Quarterback at MSU" sales pitch goes better this year than it apparently went over last year with guys like Newton and Brunetti and the rest of our QB targets that all turned us down.
heard about papa campbell (who was a coach at taylorsville), they are of the mindset that everything is someone else's fault. Hell, i remember larry being a starter when he wasn't hurt, so I don't know what the beef was about.
it's no wonder State has struggled at QB for so long.
Coaching styles.
Tyler ran the veer. So did Bellard. Rocky did his first couple of years until he figured out Shell could throw it.. Jackie, with Watson Brown was 2 years of option. Arians then came in and ran it 50 times a game. Amedee did too. Croom was inept at the passing game as well as recruiting. So that's what, 35 years of grind it out ball. Meanwhile, most teams were chunking it around. We have not been attractive to QB's or WR's.
Coaching styles.
Tyler ran the veer. So did Bellard. Rocky did his first couple of years until he figured out Shell could throw it.. Jackie, with Watson Brown was 2 years of option. Arians then came in and ran it 50 times a game. Amedee did too. Croom was inept at the passing game as well as recruiting. So that's what, 35 years of grind it out ball. Meanwhile, most teams were chunking it around. We have not been attractive to QB's or WR's.
Don't know if he "disappeared" before signing day or not, but I doubt we really had a chance at him anyway since we didn't recruit him as a QB. Why is it so hard for coaches sometimes to figure out that you recruit a player at the position he wants to play and then move him after you've signed him?</p>
I hope you're right, but the more I think about that sales pitchthe more I start to think high schoolQBs can't relateto it. These top high school QBs have always been the "THE QB" usually, and theyreally think theywill be "THE QB" anywhere they go,no matter whose shadow they will be walking in.Also, alot of these guyshave pretty real egos and don't see themselves as second fiddle to anyone, no matter how legendary the previous guy was.[b said:
both of those guys- Brunetti and Newton- are both out of state guys. We stand a much better chance of landing a high profile QB if the guy is from Mississippi- like Tyler Russell.
El Diablo Blanco said:
the high schools in this state also ran run heavy offenses for the most part. The HS coaches here also haven't done a very good job of developing QB's in a traditional sense.
I know it's "not their job to develop QB's for the colleges" but it is their job to do a good job of coaching players and to try to give them a foundation where they can possibly move on to the next level should they choose to do so.
I'm not trying to put all of the blame on the coaches because it really isn't ALL their fault. They are measured by wins and losses and you have to whatever it takes to do so. See Croom. Also, it's hard to run a moderately complex offense when you have some of your players that can't read or are in special education classes. I'm not making fun of anyone, but that is a reality on a lot of public school teams. If your players can't comprehend the plays, those players are rendered useless. And no one is going to waste players in the name of playing a complex scheme. But having a scheme that is oversimplified doesn't help develop QB's.
And let's face it- we're a small state population wise. A lot- probably most- schools use guys like Derek Pegues who are good athletes at the QB position becuase they can make plays. Part of that is because they are the best player and the coach wants the ball in their hands. Part of it is because they probably don't have a Peyton Manning type QB anywhere in sight on the roster.
This is going to sound crazy- and I'll probably get crucified for this- but I actually think the private schools are a good place to look for QB's. I'm not saying that you turn down a Tyler Russell for a guy at Jackson Prep. But my reasoning is this- those schools play very fundamentally sound football. The players at private schools can afford to go to QB camps like the Manning Passing Academy and all of the seven on seven camps to get instruction as well. It seems like every year, there is some academy QB like Whitt Haggard who is putting up big numbers- and heck Dylan Favre played at St. Stanislaus, a private school playing in a public league, but they are often swept under the rug because they play at a private school.
But look at the past- Stewart Patridge came from Pillow. Tony Shell came from JA. And there would probably be more guys if they were given a chance.
to be tough sledding as we saw this past recruiting year, and especially at QB, until we start posting some winning records. It would help us a LOT in pulling in a few good recruits from out of state this coming year if we could post at least a 7 win season. I think we can do that but we still have a bear of a schedule coming up again. If we could have played Vandy again AND gotten rid of GT for this upcoming season I would think we were in pretty good shape. Unfortunately about all this year's schedule does from last season is swap GT for Georgia so not much gained there.
To dig a little deeper on this tangent, the way I view the "usual" style that the two football teams generally have epitomizes how I feel about the schools in general. OM always seems to be a finesse team while state is more of a get your hands dirty type team (dare I say blue collar?).
Ms HS coaches, Ole Miss usually found an out of stater, because they would chuck it. State was known as a grind it out team. Ole Miss might just throw it 15 times back in the 70's or 80's, but that was about 10 more than State. Back then I thought Ole Miss played ***** ball. They couldn't just line up and whip you, they had to throw it or get sneaky.
Now I realize they were just keeping up with the times.
For the first time ever.
Now I realize they were just keeping up with the times.
For the first time ever.