Exactly- we HAVE to start rebuilding and recruiting the BEST OL and DL, period
My thoughts on NU and the B1G
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Exactly- we HAVE to start rebuilding and recruiting the BEST OL and DL, period
Iowa does count ISU every year, just not for the coference. It is a choice for Iowa to play ISU every year and they have been beaten....what....5 times by ISU this past decade.
Ohio state? No worse than your showing against them
Didn't Iowa lose to north dakota?
That's been my thing for Nebraska as a Hawk fan. As youngster growing up in the hey day of Nebraska football you could always count on 3 things;
Great, physical O-line
Stud I-back
Solid defense
Coming from the Big 12 I have long thought this should have been a really good move for Nebraska because the style of football gets you back to your successful roots. I have yet to see your program really embrace that though. There's still some of that dipping your toe in the Big12 style of play that utilizes athletic skill players and works the edges/margins of the game but does not have the overall substance to it.
Football has changed a lot over the years with fancy passing attacks but being physical and running the football on offense and stopping the run on defense gets you a long way still in this game. You do have to be able to pass some in today's game but the passing game can work off on the running game with play action. Sure there will be teams that have dramatically more talent than you will at times; Alabama, OSU, USCs of the world but those are few and far between. Playing the Big 10 style well can sometimes put you in a position to upset those teams anyway far more than trying to win an athletic shootout.
As far as the Oklahoma dude that was commenting... does he really know how embarrassing his league has become over the years. When you watch your own team give up 60+ points and 800 yards of offense to Texas Tech a team that was steam rolled by ISU (66-10). That's the kind of garbage football played in that league. I feel bad for Oklahoma that was once a proud and respected program.
I want Nebraska to be excellent as it makes the league even better so my suggestion is to get back to what made you most successful which in this league will work. It might mean taking a slight step back to get there as you overhaul your philosophy but the pain will be worth it.
You haven't been the same since the partial qualifiers were cut (1996 - 2000). But you were at least in the mix. You at least we're competitive in bowls and had your shots in conference championships.
It isn't just a bad coaching hire. Pellini would've been fired faster had you stayed.
You took better talent into a basketball league with spread offense to showcase and wreaked a little havoc first 2-3 years (quarterback martinez). But like your partial qualifiers... the cupboard ran dry and you are playing on the level of your new peers.
Had you still been playing us and KSU, Texas etc you would've never stepped down this far IMO.
Sometimes I wonder what might have been had you not stepped on missouri to big ten.
Had you just let them go, we could theoretically could've stayed at eleven. Big ten pulled off a round Robin with 11 teams. You could've let Missery take their arrogant selves out and gotten back our yearly game. Who knows how fast you could've rebuilt then right? That would've been cool.
The Huskers will be fine after the injured players heal up and win a bowl game.
The Big 12 needed a special exemption from the NCAA to get a championship game to remain in existence. Another decade will put it in the history books.
Anyone seriously trying to argue that the big twelve is somehow a better and tougher football conference is in dire need of a shrink or they just have zero understanding of football. The problem NU is facing is simply a lack of talent and depth. That and I believe they made a bad hire in Riley. I saw how tough Okie is when the youngest team in the nation went to their house and slapped them silly.
CM is a great man but I'm stealing Saban' s thunder here. He always says you need the best players in the trenches.
Uhhh... we made the playoffs last year.
we will probably send one if not two players to New York for Hiesman presentation. We came off a pretty impressive Sugar Bowl victory 3 years ago against a juggernaut.
Yeah we lost our last 2 bowls to a defensive coordinator who knows us in and out.
If measuring our failure to losing in the playoffs makes us "once proud", are you measuring yourself to the same standards?
Give it up... your league is a running joke between the other power 5 leagues. Playing KSU is some badge of honor in the world of football? Talk about a has been program that knows they cannot even go on without an aging coach.
You have one commodity and that is Texas and even they have been really bad for 5+ years. The problem is Texas only cares about Texas. The rest of you are throw away pieces to them.
The best thing you could do is get the heck out of that dumpster fire before it implodes. Beware though because after joining the other power 5 leagues you will quickly find out how much smoke and mirrors your football program has been.
Big Xii is tougher, even just taking into account 2010 - present. Head to head current teams vs current teams Big Xii is ahead.
Nebraksa does have talent slump from where they used to be no doubt. And yet still that record on paper looks pretty good. This is due to playing lesser competition in Big Division.
And now Riley is a bad hire? Ok then, what about Pellini or Callahan? How many bad coaching hires are you going to blame?
And congrats on being relevant again buck. You beat us thoroughly, but you also exposed what we have painfully been aware of for quite a while, a bad defense and little bit of nepotism keeping it in place.
May very possibly happen.
But OU's first choice isn't to run from its problems, break up old rivalries, or leave the schools we have associated ourselves with for decades in the cold.
Trying to keep regionalized is also important. Helps these kids grade wise to not have to travel across the timezones.
Right now, with one exception, I could drive max 6 hours and be in any rival stadium.
You guys used to have a similar situation.
So when the B12 was formed OU was in support of keeping old rivalries intact? Who knew?
Saban knows a thing or too about how to build a team, I think.... anyone that has played football KNOWS it all starts/ends up front.
Yes we did and have to own it. At least they were tough and did not come up here and play pansey Big 12 football. They blocked and tackled, trailed almost the entire game but hung in there and put on a fourth quarter ball control blitz beating us by a last second FG. We make no bones about it nor claimed we are world beaters. We lost to crappy NW. Then we beat Michigan so go figure that one out. We have lots of problems with consistency.
I think Ok State lost to a MAC school and did the vaunted TCU escape FCS SDSU? So stuff happens in all leagues.
Again come join a real league that tries to play all facets of the game and good bowl opponents.
The Big 12 hasnt been relevent for the last six years. You are the most delusional fan I have ever seen on any board.
The Big 12 has a severe talent deficiency on the interior lines and LB/RB and DB. Lots of pretty WRs but the league has become a joke. Good feeder league for Arena football I guess
Yep. Fans of at least 3 schools up here not named "Nebraska" are even seeing it.
The most ludicrous claim of all of them is that OU wouldn't "run" from its problems.
A little history lesson:
For decades, Nebraska / Oklahoma was THE game for Nebraska fans (can't speak for OU fans but I assume it was important). Not only geographically relevant, but ultimately NU / OU played a huge number of meaningful games. OU broke our hearts numerous times and we got over on them as well. More often than not, the game was huge and meant something, either a conference berth or a shot at a national title or both. THAT game caused each team to adjust / evolve offenses for each other etc.
A true, rare, rivalry. Not a contorted, assigned one.
The B12 formation begins. Ultimately, Nebraska and Oklahoma are split up to opposite divisions in spite of the HOWLS of Nebraska fans. No crossover protection like every other conference has been able to preserve.
This is analogous to the BIG splitting up Ohio State / Michigan to appease the entrants of Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers. Just a stupid, blow your head off with your own shotgun, idiotic move; the kind that only the B12 is capable of to this very day.
Why would a conference do that? Isn't a conference made up of its members and does not it exist to serve the best interest of its members? Why would you choose to split up one of the (at the time) premiere rivalries the sport has ever seen? Wouldn't the annual exposure of that game lift the conference just like Ohio State / Michigan does for the BIG?
The answer is the very thing that the OU poster above called out Nebraska fans for. Oklahoma ran away from its problems; principally Nebraska.
The formation of the B12 was 1995/1996. If you recall, Nebraska was a different beast back then. Won it all in 94,95,97.
And Oklahoma was going through 5 or 6 years of .500 ball. The Gibbs / Schnellenberger / Blake years.
While they were not exactly slumming, the former SWC teams (Texas, TTech, Baylor, TAMU) came in as the conference that was broken up, not exactly hat in hand but far weaker than the Big 8 which was stable at the time. There is NO WAY that Texas could have come in and demanded that change. Nebraska was a strong national brand as was Oklahoma and to a lesser extent Colorado. The SWC teams were not coming in from a position of strength.
Oklahoma didn't want a crossover with Nebraska. Period. Going to the B12 South, they already had to deal with Texas and it "wouldn't have been fair" for them to have to deal with Nebraska every year as well.
So they folded. I won't even say folded. They were happy as hell to facilitate the complete breakup of Nebraska / Oklahoma and award Nebraska the complete booby prize rival of Colorado. For anyone not in the old Big 8 / Big 12, there were zero fans anywhere that liked dealing with Colorado. It was contrived as hell.
The breakup of Nebraska / Oklahoma dominoed the end of virtually everything meaningful about the old Big 8 (evidence: 3 of the 8 teams from the old Big 8 have moved elsewhere)
So, to be lectured by an Oklahoma fan about "running away" or "not preserving rivalries" or whatever that idiot is claiming is rich.
I argue that if the B12 was formed properly, preserving the SWC rivalries / traditions as well as the Big 8 ones, that conference would be stable and strong as hell right now and I'd bet the farm we would still be there. Texas / Oklahoma was preserved. Texas / TAMU was preserved. The Big 8 tradition? Nebraska / Colorado, which everyone hated.
But OU did what OU had to do, looking out for themselves and the outcome was that the old Big 8 schools that could leave, have left, the ones that are left are the ones that can't move (outside of Oklahoma).
Big12 is a dumpster fire. All the Texas schools are a train wreck and WVU is a fraud. You basically have both OK schools and that's it.
You an Iowa fan?
I thought we played Iowa not too long ago in a bowl. Was about as hard as playing UCONN in a bowl.
Can't argue with that this season.
And even by our standards defense is worse this year.
More than likely, our schools will show better next year. I'll call it now, ISU will beat Iowa, and Kansas will start to suck way less.
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Someone better tell Sam Bradford, DeMarco Murray and Adrian Peterson they are really playing in the arena league.
Jermaine Gresham, Gerald McCoy, Lane Johnson etc...
Boy, I have to say I disagree with that, strongly. The B12 is clearly the weakest of the P5 conferences, by quite a lot.
Was originally supposed to be just UT and A&M... would've been 10 teams and round Robin preserving both games, concessions had to be made with the last minute duo of tech and baylor.
And it wouldn't be fair to be the only team in conference in and out to play neb and texas every year. You know that.
If you just would've let Missery leave, it potentially could've been 11 teams, and we ALL could've played everyone, thus only putting our rivalry on hiatus for 50% over that 14 years.
Using your logic, it's clear to me now that the reason my car is slow is because I have a small garage.
Thanks for helping me clear that one up.
Draft numbers say a lot. Murray and Peterson played at the same school and are on the downside of their careers. Fact remains, the NFL isn't really looking for players from the Big 12 outside OK or Texas.
B12 made their own bed.. when NU left I had mixed feelings, but NU would be in the same spot in the big 12 with less money. I don't think the nineties are coming back anytime soon, but You guys better look in the mirror.. You look like 2001 Huskers(in decline). I would not be surprised at all if Oklahoma and KU(basketball reasons) were next into the BIG