Iinitiallythought that a win against Ark and one in the tourney would get us in. The more I think about it, two years ago we were beaten by UK (tip in) in the SEC champ game and we're still left out. They are not going to give us anything, I think we must win two games to get in, otherwise, we will end up playing a team like Dayton in the NIT. Thanks, Stansbury!
My thoughts on our chances of making the tourney have changed...
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Iinitiallythought that a win against Ark and one in the tourney would get us in. The more I think about it, two years ago we were beaten by UK (tip in) in the SEC champ game and we're still left out. They are not going to give us anything, I think we must win two games to get in, otherwise, we will end up playing a team like Dayton in the NIT. Thanks, Stansbury!
For comparison, here are the SEC teams average RPI of their nonconference opponents:
Bama- 121.5
Vandy- 121.5
UGA- 140.4
OM- 141.4
UK- 147.2
UF- 148.7
UT- 157.3
MSU -170.4
LSU- 180.8
SC- 182.2
Auburn- 184.8
Arkansas- 190.8
We are 8th in nonconference SOS, and we need to change that. We have to get rid of teams like La Monroe and Tennessee Martin. They have 5 total wins between the two of them,and RPIs of 315 and 325 respectively. That's a joke. I know they are close geographically, butI guarantee we can just as easily play teams like MVSU and USA that are just as close but much better programs.We should play no more than one team like that per year.
Next we have to start scheduling nonconference opponents that we think will be more in the 100-200 RPI range, not the 200-300 range. We played 4 nonconference opponents in the 200-300 RPI range compared to5 in the 100-200 range.If we can change outsome of those in the 200-300 range for teams in the 100-200 range, that would go a long way in helping our nonconference SOS
Bama- 121.5
Vandy- 121.5
UGA- 140.4
OM- 141.4
UK- 147.2
UF- 148.7
UT- 157.3
MSU -170.4
LSU- 180.8
SC- 182.2
Auburn- 184.8
Arkansas- 190.8
We are 8th in nonconference SOS, and we need to change that. We have to get rid of teams like La Monroe and Tennessee Martin. They have 5 total wins between the two of them,and RPIs of 315 and 325 respectively. That's a joke. I know they are close geographically, butI guarantee we can just as easily play teams like MVSU and USA that are just as close but much better programs.We should play no more than one team like that per year.
Next we have to start scheduling nonconference opponents that we think will be more in the 100-200 RPI range, not the 200-300 range. We played 4 nonconference opponents in the 200-300 RPI range compared to5 in the 100-200 range.If we can change outsome of those in the 200-300 range for teams in the 100-200 range, that would go a long way in helping our nonconference SOS
It's not our fault the teams we played and beat ended up not being as good as advertised (Arizona, Texas A&M).
is the fact that the 8-8 record was again against a "West" loaded schedule and the West AGAIN is significantly weaker than the East. The top 4 seeds this year out of the SEC is KY, FL, TN and Vandy and we only had to play all of those teams once. Not being able to sweep ANY of Ark, OM, Aub or LSU really doesn't help our cause any.
dawgstudent said:
I agree that we took some positive steps- and said so before the season. But once aGAIN- we are in the bottom 1/3 in SOS, and Bammer with one less win than us- sits 14 spots higher on the S-curve.
If this didnt happen year after year after year after year after year after year- you could call it bad luck. But the weak SOS is a Stansbury trademark (and the reason he is in the top 5 in wins in the SEC since he took over)
Stansbury can't predict the future. Before the season, Arizona and A&M were top 15 teams. And before the season, you were happy that we stepped up in scheduling. I am curious if A&M and Arizona were still top 15 teams and we had wins - what our SOS and our S-curve would be. And add West Virginia to that mix too.
you don't even give him credit for what he did well this year.
I am in agreement we need a new direction but even in the disappointment - we still started the season pretty well not counting Akron.
I am in agreement we need a new direction but even in the disappointment - we still started the season pretty well not counting Akron.
we were playing like a top 10 team even in the loss to Baylor. What I blame him for is the late season debacle, plus all of the transfers and other off the court issues the last five years made me realize a change should take place. It sucks though beacuse I still want us to win.
We played Texas AM, Arizona, West Virginia, and Baylor OOC. There's nothing wrong with our OOC schedule this year. 2 months ago everyone was fine with it. Whatever changed since then can't be blamed on Stans.
If we played those same 4 teams next year, it could be 3 top 15 teams.
If we played those same 4 teams next year, it could be 3 top 15 teams.
with a home win against GA and won either the road game at LSU OR Auburn I think that would have made this year about all that could have been asked for. Would have put us at 23-8 (10-6 in the SEC) and sitting pretty in the league and for the NCAAs. Just shows how little margin for error there is through the year if you want to make sure you are in the Big Dance.
I think they've been to 3 straight NCAA's and won 30 games in 2010. It's their worse season in 5 years.
Can't blame that on Stans.
Can't blame that on Stans.
The 5 game losing streak is inexcusable. But you can't blame him for the SOS which is what the original post is about.
The schedule this year in the beginning was so much better. It wasn't his fault that Arizona and TAMU sucked it up this year.
in this thread. They are saying - in the preseason - we looked to have a pretty strong schedule which you agreed with.
Previous schedules have sucked. No question but you can't argue that going into this season. They made an effort to play a quality schedule.
When a third of your OOC schedule is against teams that have regularly been to the NCAA tourney lately then you cannot seriously complain about the scheduling.
What hurt us the most with RPI is our lack of road wins. We should have played a couple of those crap teams at their place.
What hurt us the most with RPI is our lack of road wins. We should have played a couple of those crap teams at their place.
Any other year, we would have lost to TAMU, then went on to MAYBE beat St. Johns in the consolation game... probably would have lost to WV too and probably went 1-1 against Utah State and FAU. Throw that in with our conference schedule, we wouldn't be in the talk for the NIT right now and would probably have an RPI outside the top 100... Our OOC is the only thing really keeping us in the NCAA talks... that and our win at Vandy.
I said that if it wasn't because of our wins in our OOC schedule right now and winning at Vandy, we wouldn't be in the conversation for the NIT, much less the NCAAT. If this was any other year (take last year for instance), we would have pissed away games we should win in the OOC. Although our SOS is weaker than it should be because of things we can't control... like the fact WVU and TAMU aren't as good as we thought, that shouldn't matter because we won every game in our OOC schedule except 2 (2 we were OK in the long run losing). In years past, I don't think we would have beat TAMU, WVU, along with losing a few more home games like Utah State and FAU.<div>
</div><div>What I WAS saying is we won the games we needed to win in the OOC to be in the NCAAT conversation right now... if anything, I am whining about the fact we couldn't beat Georgia at home and Auburn and LSU on the road. <div>
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</div><div>What I WAS saying is we won the games we needed to win in the OOC to be in the NCAAT conversation right now... if anything, I am whining about the fact we couldn't beat Georgia at home and Auburn and LSU on the road. <div>
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Remember, the NCAA doesn't look at conferences as much as it does at all the schedule. Losing 5 in the out of conference schedule counts the same as the conference schedule and any loss against KY doesn't hurt anybody. I will be nervous if we don't beat Ga. but a win over them and we should be a shoo-in.