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[m4CatKY]

What i always remember Marcos for is him vs. Robby Gordon in the Nationwide Race in Montreal.. I know this is probably an unpopular opinion but I always loved Robby. I get it that he was a jackwagon half the time but I just always seemed to love to watch the trainwrecks he created.

I don't blame him for being mad at the Montreal race. He's in 1st or 2nd and Ambrose wrecks him under caution and NASCAR tries to put Robby in 13th. Robby then grabs the steering will with the proverbial double birds and doesn't budge. Then he proceeds to spin Ambrose and race to the finish line 1st while ignoring the black flag. Not defending how he responded just saying I'd be mad too. Ambrose was a hell of a driver. I didn't care for him a bunch when he was racing but he could get it done on the track.



If I remember correctly Robby was ultimately suspended and extended an olive branch to Ambrose by offering to let him drive his cup car. I don't think Ambrose did/could but I come wrong.
Would have liked to see Ambrose drive Robby's Garbage Speed Energy car haha.


More chaos created by Ambrose

I completely forgot about that Mears and the Ambrose incident. Ambrose was well within his right there putting up with more than I would have with Casey pushing him. Mears should be back in a Cup car again soon. He needs 10 more starts to get the 500-career milestone he is out to get. Harvick said something similar today to what Hamlin did about the Ty Gibbs pit incident on the Happy Hour podcast. There was a report a couple years ago Robby Gordon was going to return to NASCAR for Watkins Glen. He was right to be pissed about the Montreal spin under the caution and telling him to lineup 13th and to say what is to stop anyone from spinning someone under caution. They made is sound like Ambrose was the victim in that interview talking about the heart break for him after that day. More NASCAR inconsistency and selective enforcement for who the rules apply for. Kind of shocked back then he didn't bring back that line for Ambrose that he used for Michael Waltrip at New Hampshire in '05.

 

[PickSixKing]

I completely forgot about that Mears and the Ambrose incident. Ambrose was well within his right there putting up with more than I would have with Casey pushing him. Mears should be back in a Cup car again soon. He needs 10 more starts to get the 500-career milestone he is out to get. Harvick said something similar today to what Hamlin did about the Ty Gibbs pit incident on the Happy Hour podcast. There was a report a couple years ago Robby Gordon was going to return to NASCAR for Watkins Glen. He was right to be pissed about the Montreal spin under the caution and telling him to lineup 13th and to say what is to stop anyone from spinning someone under caution. They made is sound like Ambrose was the victim in that interview talking about the heart break for him after that day. More NASCAR inconsistency and selective enforcement for who the rules apply for. Kind of shocked back then he didn't bring back that line for Ambrose that he used for Michael Waltrip at New Hampshire in '05.

The ol everyone thinks he's this great guy but line? Haha. Could have been fitting for Ambrose for sure.

Would like to see Casey back. Hopefully he can find a team that would bring him i. For some races. But yeah he deserved to get clocked by Ambrose there. It was a pretty good shot too.

Honestly Nascar needs more rivalries. That's stuff that fans love. Who are the big rivalries now? Bowman and Bubba made up at Sonoma. Hocevar and Stenhouse has been quiet since Mexico.

 

[PickSixKing]

Buescher is due and beat SVG straight up at The Glen last year. Really impressed with Preece this year also. Wonder what Brad thinks about this year. Just can't get out of his own way.

Also, who's gonna be in the 48 next year? I know Bowmans deal runs through 2026 I believe but if he doesn't win a race I wonder if they'll cut him loose. My best guess is Hocevar one more year at Spire and he moves to the 48 in 2027.

Im with you on the 48. Seems like Bowman's days have to be numbered. He's not terrible but if you have the best equipment every week (like he does) you should be a top 3-4 driver.

He's boring and doesn't have a huge following for being in such a high profile car. I really have no idea who other candidates would be to replace him, they could poach someone from the teams that will lose there charter i guess. Im with you though, I think Hocevar makes a lot of sense. Everyone has an opinion about him. Some good, some bad. One of the few young guys that has Star Power.

 

[m4CatKY]

The ol everyone thinks he's this great guy but line? Haha. Could have been fitting for Ambrose for sure.

Would like to see Casey back. Hopefully he can find a team that would bring him i. For some races. But yeah he deserved to get clocked by Ambrose there. It was a pretty good shot too.

Honestly Nascar needs more rivalries. That's stuff that fans love. Who are the big rivalries now? Bowman and Bubba made up at Sonoma. Hocevar and Stenhouse has been quiet since Mexico.

The rivalries seem to come and go, fade away much quicker these days. Here is a pretty good video done a month ago that sums up the state of rivalries today.

 

[m4CatKY]

 

[PickSixKing]

I sure have been trying to follow this story but I still don't completely understand it. Help me out here please.

1. What are the differences between chartered/non-chartered teams?

2. What did these two teams do that put them in jeopardy?

3. Is it fair to the two teams?

 

[m4CatKY]

I sure have been trying to follow this story but I still don't completely understand it. Help me out here please.

1. What are the differences between chartered/non-chartered teams?

2. What did these two teams do that put them in jeopardy?

3. Is it fair to the two teams?

There are 36 charters in the sport that are a guaranteed entry to each race throughout the season. Chartered teams get a larger share of NASCAR’s revenue. Non-chartered teams must qualify for races on speed and are not guaranteed a starting spot in a race. Non-chartered teams receive less money from NASCAR’s revenue pool. Chartered teams have more security. They are more valuable and can sell charters. RWR and other teams have even leased charters to other race teams. 23XI Racing and Front Row Motorsports bought charters from SHR when they shutdown to expand their teams. NASCAR is refusing to sign off on those deals and finalize the charter transfers for those teams. 23XI/FRM did not sign the new charter agreement, so they are now running as open teams with this current ruling. They do not like the long-term financial structure and not being able to sue NASCAR under the new agreement. NASCAR was not going to finalize them while the terms of a new charter system were not finalized. 23XI & FRM feel as if those charters they purchased should have fallen under the terms of the charter system that expired last year, and not contingent on the new agreement. 23XI/FRM also fighting for the option to resolve disputes through an independent, neutral process outside of NASCAR’s own internal control. NASCAR wants to maintain control over charter sales to protect their revenue, keep charter values stable, limit each owner to four charters, and ensure team owners align with their vision for competitive racing.

 

[PickSixKing]

There are 36 charters in the sport that are a guaranteed entry to each race throughout the season. Chartered teams get a larger share of NASCAR’s revenue. Non-chartered teams must qualify for races on speed and are not guaranteed a starting spot in a race. Non-chartered teams receive less money from NASCAR’s revenue pool. Chartered teams have more security. They are more valuable and can sell charters. RWR and other teams have even leased charters to other race teams. 23XI Racing and Front Row Motorsports bought charters from SHR when they shutdown to expand their teams. NASCAR is refusing to sign off on those deals and finalize the charter transfers for those teams. 23XI/FRM did not sign the new charter agreement, so they are now running as open teams with this current ruling. They do not like the long-term financial structure and not being able to sue NASCAR under the new agreement. NASCAR was not going to finalize them while the terms of a new charter system were not finalized. 23XI & FRM feel as if those charters they purchased should have fallen under the terms of the charter system that expired last year, and not contingent on the new agreement.

Seems like i saw something the other day that seemed to insinuate that Nascar had other teams already lined up for those two charters. That's why they want to take them away from 23XI/FRM. Do you think that could be true?

Talking about this makes me remember the days when there were quite a few teams that had to qualify on speed each week. Sometimes you might have had 5 or 6 teams not qualify and go home and you could always count on Joe Nemechek to start and park!

 

[m4CatKY]

Seems like i saw something the other day that seemed to insinuate that Nascar had other teams already lined up for those two charters. That's why they want to take them away from 23XI/FRM. Do you think that could be true?

Talking about this makes me remember the days when there were quite a few teams that had to qualify on speed each week. Sometimes you might have had 5 or 6 teams not qualify and go home and you could always count on Joe Nemechek to start and park!

I have heard Dale Jr. talk about the costs of charters being so outrageous and a huge reason why JR Motorsports hasn't gone Cup Racing with a charter. They ran the #40 with Allgaier as an open entry at Daytona. T.J. Puchyr agreed to buy RWR and run 3 teams. Legacy Motor Club is suing him. Jimmie Johnson says LMC is already in a binding agreement for one of RWR's charters for next year, and TJ is countersuing them back. The entire system is a joke, and this wasn't an issue in the sport a decade ago.

T.J. Puchyr agrees to buy Rick Ware Racing, plans to build 3-car NASCAR team

The Spire Motorsports co-founder says he has a deal to take over the Ware organization next season.

spectrumlocalnews.com

Legacy Motor Club sues TJ Puchyr for attempted Rick Ware Racing takeover - BlackBook Motorsport

 

[vhcat1970]

Can't we just all get along.

 

[PickSixKing]

I have heard Dale Jr. talk about the costs of charters being so outrageous and a huge reason why JR Motorsports hasn't gone Cup Racing with a charter. They ran the #40 with Allgaier as an open entry at Daytona. T.J. Puchyr agreed to buy RWR and run 3 teams. Legacy Motor Club is suing him. Jimmie Johnson says LMC is already in a binding agreement for one of RWR's charters for next year, and TJ is countersuing them back. The entire system is a joke, and this wasn't an issue in the sport a decade ago.

T.J. Puchyr agrees to buy Rick Ware Racing, plans to build 3-car NASCAR team

The Spire Motorsports co-founder says he has a deal to take over the Ware organization next season.

spectrumlocalnews.com

Legacy Motor Club sues TJ Puchyr for attempted Rick Ware Racing takeover - BlackBook Motorsport

All of this stuff sounds crazy. I bet it surely had an effect on Tony Stewart also when he decided to pack it up.

Nascar just can't get out of their way sometimes. I go to COTA every year. Sit in the bleachers at the top of the hill on the 1st turn. Not even in the Grandstand and I believe it's $130 per ticket.

And Nascar wonders why they have an attendance problem.

 

[m4CatKY]

All of this stuff sounds crazy. I bet it surely had an effect on Tony Stewart also when he decided to pack it up.

Nascar just can't get out of their way sometimes. I go to COTA every year. Sit in the bleachers at the top of the hill on the 1st turn. Not even in the Grandstand and I believe it's $130 per ticket.

And Nascar wonders why they have an attendance problem.

Well said! They display a misplaced arrogance, confidently making decisions that reveal their lack of competence and inconsistency. NASCAR isn't as enjoyable as years past for a variety of reasons. I will always watch NASCAR, but it just isn't the same as it was years ago.

 

[The A-Team]

 

[vhcat1970]

^ Street courses would be improved if there was an about 100 ft section of say 6" of water.

 

[TCPUKChamps]

Alan Gustafson has to have compromising photos of Rick. He's an absolutely awful crew chief. Cost Elliott another win today

 

[vhcat1970]

Alan Gustafson has to have compromising photos of Rick. He's an absolutely awful crew chief. Cost Elliott another win today

I wondered what happened as I had to go out.

 

[m4CatKY]

NASCAR Bringing Race To San Diego Naval Base In 2026 | FOX Sports

 

[AFKY_Blue_RedsBengals]

Helluva run Bubba!

 

[PickSixKing]

Helluva run Bubba!

Bubba seems to be pretty well liked with his fellow drivers but with many fans online it is much different. Why do some have so much angst when it comes to Bubba?

When I have been at the track he always seems to have a good following.

 

[funKYcat75]

Is everyone OK?

 

[PickSixKing]

Any chance this is legit?

If so, Nascar must be reading the posts of @m4CatKY and I saying to move Sonoma to early in the year

 

[KY_Kid]

This car is brutal. Nothing like watching the leader take 25 laps to pass the 35th place car. Then, Blaney is like 0.5 seconds/lap faster than Keslowski at the end, but somehow can't pass him for 3rd. Meanwhile, Byron is running half throttle all the way around the track and maintaining his lead over cars who aren't conserving fuel.

By my math, Byron got better than 7 miles per gallon on that last run.

 

[Catfan in Tn.]

RIP Humpy Wheeler.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nascar-auto-racing/article311792158.html

 

[Catfan in Tn.]