National Duals, '25, thread

AgSurfer

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Paycom guy announced during his interview last evening that they’ve already booked the BOK Center for the same weekend next November.

Cael ain’t going next year either for the same reasons he didn’t go this year.
Nope, Cael won't be there next year because he will have 10 PSU wrestlers representing the US in both Men's Senior division and U23 division. They are going to need a little bit of a break before they start getting into the regular college season.
 

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Paycom guy announced during his interview last evening that they’ve already booked the BOK Center for the same weekend next November.

Cael ain’t going next year either for the same reasons he didn’t go this year.
I heard they had a meeting recently and decided on the date for next year as well and it will be the same. Also heard he's not interested in ever moving out of Tulsa. Sounds like if it makes it to year 3 that might be the year the date moves. Agree Cael isn't gonna be going anytime soon
 
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Nope, Cael won't be there next year because he will have 10 PSU wrestlers representing the US in both Men's Senior division and U23 division. They are going to need a little bit of a break before they start getting into the regular college season.
That's also moved up a few weeks and in Vegas so won't be as much of an issue. Regardless of that Cael isn't going for many other reasons
 
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Let's take a look at it:
125: Luke vs Bouzakis
Luke is definitely the favorite but Bouzakis has a punchers chance with his pinning ability.
133: Blaze vs Davino
Past results in favor Blaze but we all saw what Davino did to Ayala. That was destruction. This will be an interesting match.
141: Nagao vs Mendez
Mendez is the heavy favorite and should bonus. (I'm tossing Nagao results vs Mendez his freshman year. Mendez is a completely different animal now.)
149: Van Ness vs Stiles
Van Ness is the heavy favorite and should bonus (has a pin last season)
157: Duke vs Cannon
We haven't seen Duke wrestle folkstyle at this level yet and Cannon is no slouch. I'd pick Duke but it's not crazy talk to say Cannon has a chance.
165: Mitch vs it doesn't matter
Obligatory TF
174: Haines vs Kharchla
Haines is the heavy favorite and could bonus
184: Welsh vs Fishback
Welsh is the favorite, bonus unlikely (Fishback has given up bonus just once - to Keckeisen)
197: Barr vs Shumate
Barr is the heavy favorite and should bonus (has a TF last season)
Heavy: Feldman vs Mirasola
Feldman is a heavy favorite, possible bonus

The baseline is 8-2 Penn State. With anOSU's best other chances at 133 and 157 and a yolo chance at 125.
Regarding your Mitch vs it doesn't matter. 😅

It doesn't matter what your name is!!

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Sparks been hanging with Gibbons and Johnson tooooo much!
I don’t think I‘ve shared this before, but I have a link to Tim Johnson.

My father was electrocuted in the late 1950s and lost his right arm. This occurred on the Johnson family property in Morning Sun, Iowa, population ~500 at the time.

Tim is a couple years younger than Dad, but graduated with my uncle, they wrestled together on the same team in High School and are still in touch. My father passed but uncle told me it was Tim’s farm. A high power line was downed in a storm, and Dad was bird hunting on the property. Dad told me the line was laying on a fence, he touched the fence to climb it, and that was it. I believe he got a settlement around $10k from the power company for his trouble.

BTW I grew up hearing all about Iowa wrestling, and had a Leroy Neiman print of Gable winning in Munich in my room for decades.
 

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I think Nagao's unorthodox style will slow Mendez down enough to keep it to a decision.

Are we certain Bouzakis will be OSU's starter? He lost to McCrone at the Clarion Open.
 
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I think Nagao's unorthodox style will slow Mendez down enough to keep it to a decision.

Are we certain Bouzakis will be OSU's starter? He lost to McCrone at the Clarion Open.
I wouldnt doubt if Bouzakis is for PSU. Tom needs some upsets to keep it close. Bouzakis provides a shot to get an upset. And yes I know McCrone beat Luke last time. I wouldnt count on that happening again.
 

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I wouldnt doubt if Bouzakis is for PSU. Tom needs some upsets to keep it close. Bouzakis provides a shot to get an upset. And yes I know McCrone beat Luke last time. I wouldnt count on that happening again.
he all but said Bouzakis is the guy at 25. At least that is what I heard...
 
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I wouldnt doubt if Bouzakis is for PSU. Tom needs some upsets to keep it close. Bouzakis provides a shot to get an upset. And yes I know McCrone beat Luke last time. I wouldnt count on that happening again.
Bousakis wrestled Volk and Dean this weekend.
McCrone got a Wyoming kid and the Nebraska back up. The writing is on the wall. Winning the head to head doesn't matter it's who beats the competition. They had him cut to 125 for a reason and that reason wasn't to sit on the bench. They know what they have with McCrone already he's had his opportunities
 

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Bousakis wrestled Volk and Dean this weekend.
McCrone got a Wyoming kid and the Nebraska back up. The writing is on the wall. Winning the head to head doesn't matter it's who beats the competition. They had him cut to 125 for a reason and that reason wasn't to sit on the bench. They know what they have with McCrone already he's had his opportunities
It's early, but Bouzakis clearly has the advantage at this point. If he can comfortably hold 125 he offers way more upside, IMO.
 

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Some wrestlers left this dual meet tournament pretty banged up. Rarely do you wrestle 4 high-level opponents in two days. That typically only happens at Big Tens (maybe) and NCAAs. I’m wondering if some coaches may be forced to rethink this now.

Not a single one will rethink. No season-enders and early enough in the season, guys are going to be back for dual season IF they're really banged up.
 

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Bousakis wrestled Volk and Dean this weekend.
McCrone got a Wyoming kid and the Nebraska back up. The writing is on the wall. Winning the head to head doesn't matter it's who beats the competition. They had him cut to 125 for a reason and that reason wasn't to sit on the bench. They know what they have with McCrone already he's had his opportunities
The reason is the same reason Facundo cut to 157 last year, because McCrone/Kilkeary at 125 is an easier spot to challenge for on paper than the potential national champs at 133 or 141 (Davino/Mendez), just like challenging Kasak last year wasn't exactly a walk in the park, but Facundo knew he had no shot at MM or Levi so he made the cut and gave it the old college try. Like Facundo, Bouzakis still should have to actually win the spot, which it doesn't appear as though he has since he lost to McCrone already.
 
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The reason is the same reason Facundo cut to 157 last year, because McCrone/Kilkeary at 125 is an easier spot to challenge for on paper than the potential national champs at 133 or 141 (Davino/Mendez), just like challenging Kasak last year wasn't exactly a walk in the park, but Facundo knew he had no shot at MM or Levi so he made the cut and gave it the old college try. Like Facundo, Bouzakis still should have to actually win the spot, which it doesn't appear as though he has since he lost to McCrone already.
He definitely cut because he can't beat Davino. Beating your teammate doesn't always mean you get the spot you don't wrestle your teammate in a dual or the conference and NCAA tournament. The Ohio st staff didn't have Bousakis cut down so he can ride the bench. They've enough data on McCrone now that they know what they have in him
 
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AgSurfer

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Bouzakis wrestled the second match each day and got 5 hours and 10 hours of recovery time from his 8am weigh in. Lets see some more 2 hour weigh in results.
That's an excellent point. On top of that, he isn't going to find the meatgrinder at the NCAA tournament easy after holding his weight down for 4-5 months. Let's see how he progresses from here.
 

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Bousakis has a 16-19 record in matches decided by decision.

Perhaps that is why he comes out gangbusters and tries to build a big lead or end it early. With the weight cut, it will be interesting to see how he fares in matches won or lost in the 3rd period..
The entire OSU team looked to be in late season cardio shape. If Bousakis is actually in shape, the weight cut might not be bothersome. It will be interesting to see how this year plays out.
 

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Bousakis has a 16-19 record in matches decided by decision.

Perhaps that is why he comes out gangbusters and tries to build a big lead or end it early. With the weight cut, it will be interesting to see how he fares in matches won or lost in the 3rd period..
There’s no question Luke is the superior wrestler. Same as his matchup with McCrone last season, he just needs to avoid the big move and he’ll pick Bouzakis apart.
 

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He definitely cut because he can't beat Davino. Beating your teammate doesn't always mean you get the spot you don't wrestle your teammate in a dual or the conference and NCAA tournament. The Ohio st staff didn't have Bousakis cut down so he can ride the bench. They've enough data on McCrone now that they know what they have in him
It's not like Bouzakis is a national champ or even an AA, he's a career underachiever so far. He shouldn't be gifted a spot just because he's Nic Bouzakis, #1 recruit. He needs to earn it somehow. If they're still just going on Bouzakis's recruiting profile, then should Paddy be 157 over Cannon, too? The staff shouldn't make him do anything. He should cut if he thinks it's a better spot to challenge for, but he should also have to win the spot from McCrone. Maybe things have happened in the room that I don't know about, but there's no public evidence that Bouzakis has earned squat yet. Imagine being McCrone and this guy who hasn't accomplished anything more than you have and who you beat head to head is just gifted your spot because of his name. That's how you lose a locker room.
 

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It might be the type of thing that would make a guy like Rocco leave for another school.
I love hating on Tom Ryan as much as the next guy but Ohio state could have said the same thing when Cassar coming back from 3 years of bad injury beats the number 1 in the country and then gets sat right back down on bench for the postseason
 
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I love hating on Tom Ryan as much as the next guy but Ohio state could have said the same thing when Cassar coming back from 3 years of bad injury beats the number 1 in the country and then gets sat right back down on bench for the postseason
If Cassar was winning in the room, absolutely. But reports then and since have always said that Cassar lost the wrestle off that year.
 

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It's not like Bouzakis is a national champ or even an AA, he's a career underachiever so far. He shouldn't be gifted a spot just because he's Nic Bouzakis, #1 recruit. He needs to earn it somehow. If they're still just going on Bouzakis's recruiting profile, then should Paddy be 157 over Cannon, too? The staff shouldn't make him do anything. He should cut if he thinks it's a better spot to challenge for, but he should also have to win the spot from McCrone. Maybe things have happened in the room that I don't know about, but there's no public evidence that Bouzakis has earned squat yet. Imagine being McCrone and this guy who hasn't accomplished anything more than you have and who you beat head to head is just gifted your spot because of his name. That's how you lose a locker room.
I bet that kind of thing happens on every team, including PSU. Not frequently, but once every few years.

Head to head is just one evaluation point. I doubt any coach has lost a team because of it. Maybe the wrestler who sits transfers the next year.

The coaches job is to put the best 10 guys he can on the mat and to recruit the best team possible. Sometimes the H2H winner sits, sometimes they get recruited over.
 

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2011 Jake Kemerer wouldn't open up offensively and that was the reason the Vollrath move was made.