NBA - No More National Anthem...
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Many Christians are only Christian when it’s convenient for them. The second it doesn’t fit whatever their narrative is then Christ’s teachings are thrown out the door because they can just pray for forgiveness and all is good in their minds.
Just like the whole back the blue folks were all up in arms over how the police were being treated last sunmer then they murdered one and assaulted dozens of others on January 6at the Capitol.
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I think we got trolled by the wedding comment
Sports are entertainment. Other forms of entertainment I like are movies and concerts. I don't recall the anthem ever being played at any concerts or movies that I've been to. Three years ago, we went to the opening night of high school football in good ole' God fearing, America loving East Tennessee. We were running a little late, and when we reached the gate area, the PA guy asked the crowd to stand while the band played the national anthem. We stopped, faced the flag and took my hat off. A deputy who was working the gate area did the same, as did a lady behind us. The rest of the people in the gate and concession area kept right on doing what they were doing. Probably 75-100 people, never stopped talking or buying tickets or buying stuff at the concession windows. There were a few people who just walked around us as we stood there. These were people of all ages. They weren't protesting. They just didn't care or were too self absorbed to take the time to stop. It didn't enrage me, although it made me a little sad. We went on in and watched the game, and we still go out and watch high school football.
Jerry Jones whined and cried about the kneeling, and has a policy that the national anthem be played before Cowboy scrimmages. Yet he was caught on film yacking and not even bothering to take his hat off while it was being played at one of those scrimmages. It didn't enrage me though. He's just another "do as I say" guy.
The former POTUS was filmed at his Super Bowl party last year, acting like a sugared up 5 year old brat while the anthem was being played, after he had repeatedly made a big deal about the anthem. It didn't enrage me or tell me anything about him that I didn't already know.
Realistically, unless you're standing for the anthem every single time when you are at home or in a sports bar when it's played, you really shouldn't care what stance anyone else takes.
The Navy played the Star Spangled Banner in the 1918 World Series. Brought the crowd enthusiasm and unity during World War 1 and the 1918 Flu.
Quite fitting we want to throw it out as division and another pandemic are at highs.
Quite fitting we want to throw it out as division and another pandemic are at highs.
I know nobody cares & they shouldn’t but I will not attend any sports event if they do this. I believe my strongest allies is NASCAR and NHRA they will never let me down.
What you call jingoistic and obsession, others may call love.
But I’ll play along. Why, exactly, should I consider people from thousands of miles away my countrymen? What ties me to them? Is it that we inhabit the same continent? Speak the same language?
Pretty sweeping generalizations. Were the people who murdered the cop “back the blue” supporters? Have you interviewed them?
Or are you stereotyping them?
Damn straight. I even quit going to church because of it.
The Dallas Mavericks owner made a decision that is sure to bring howls of outrage, threats to boycott his team and an avalanche of vile and vicious emails. But it was the right decision, and I hope it gives others in professional and college sports the courage, or at least cover, to do the same.
The Mavericks are no longer playing the national anthem before home games. I don’t know the reasoning behind Cuban’s decision, and he’s declined to elaborate further, both to The Athletic, which first reported the absence of the anthem, and USA TODAY Sports.
But he hinted at it last summer, when he said he supported Mavericks players and coaches who were kneeling during the anthem to protest racial injustice following the killings of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor and too many other Black men and women.
“The National Anthem Police in this country are out of control,” Cuban said on Twitter. “If you want to complain, complain to your boss and ask why they don’t play the National Anthem every day before you start work.”
He’s right. We don’t play The Star-Spangled Banner before concerts or movies. We don’t hear it at rec league soccer games or school plays. We don’t stand at attention and listen to it before we start our workdays.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ational-anthem-games-long-overdue/4466404001/
The Mavericks are no longer playing the national anthem before home games. I don’t know the reasoning behind Cuban’s decision, and he’s declined to elaborate further, both to The Athletic, which first reported the absence of the anthem, and USA TODAY Sports.
But he hinted at it last summer, when he said he supported Mavericks players and coaches who were kneeling during the anthem to protest racial injustice following the killings of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor and too many other Black men and women.
“The National Anthem Police in this country are out of control,” Cuban said on Twitter. “If you want to complain, complain to your boss and ask why they don’t play the National Anthem every day before you start work.”
He’s right. We don’t play The Star-Spangled Banner before concerts or movies. We don’t hear it at rec league soccer games or school plays. We don’t stand at attention and listen to it before we start our workdays.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ational-anthem-games-long-overdue/4466404001/
If your ties to your countrymen and the shared ideals our country is (at least in theory) based on are so fragile that the removal of a performative ritual that's been corrupted by decades of tying it to militarism/the military industrial complex (see the air force bomber flyover at the super bowl - that's military contractor propaganda) and to jingoistic nationalism (it's long been about more than just "love of country" and into a proud, boastful superiority complex) then that's a you problem.
Boycott the Maverick’s. Not like they have a huge following anyway.
Agree with this decision. Just because it has been done at every game doesn't mean it makes sense.
No need for it at sporting events. People are playing with balls, it's not a national celebration.
Wonder if they will Cancel Presidents day since it mainly started with Washington and Lincoln. I thought they we considered racist now. Cancel Christmas next and even Thanksgiving. White privileged started those holidays as well.
Playing the national anthem before sporting events has always been kind of odd to me. It's literally just a sport, I am not sure why some people have the need to demonstrate their faux level of patriotism over it.
This is not an answer. And, if you can be honest with yourself, it’s YOUR projection of how YOU view the anthem. Others don’t see it that way.
The reality is, there’s really nothing tying us together. You can’t even bring yourself to admit that our ideals are shared in more than theory anymore.
So again, for SOME people, it means a lot. It is an occasional reminder that we’re (for now) still all in this together.
O, say can you see,
Ableist against non-seeing people.
by the dawn’s early light?
Reinforcing the trope that light > dark.
What so proudly we hailed
Proud of what? A nation built on the back of slavery?
at the twilight’s last gleaming.
Aren’t you supposed to take the flag down at night? Be consistent in your idolatry, please.
Whose broad stripes and bright stars
Broad RED (blood) and WHITE (race) stripes, mind you.
Through the perilous fight,
Of course it’s a fight for these war-mongering people.
Over the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming.
Again. Ableist. Were there no non-sight soldiers? So easy to just throw them aside.
And the rockets red glare,
Red, again, like the blood of the indigenous Amerindians who were slaughtered and whose land was stolen.
The bombs bursting in air,
Uh, if I may, shouldn’t the bombs be bursting on the ground? There were no airplanes.
Gave proof through the night, That our flag was still there.
Our? Belonging to whom? Such a western ideal of everything having to be owned by human white males.
O say does that Star-Spangled Banner yet wave?
O’er the land
Stolen
of the free
Except for slaves, women, and non-land owners
and the home
Someone else’s home
of the brave
Brave enough to rape a land where people had lived for thousands of years.
Ableist against non-seeing people.
by the dawn’s early light?
Reinforcing the trope that light > dark.
What so proudly we hailed
Proud of what? A nation built on the back of slavery?
at the twilight’s last gleaming.
Aren’t you supposed to take the flag down at night? Be consistent in your idolatry, please.
Whose broad stripes and bright stars
Broad RED (blood) and WHITE (race) stripes, mind you.
Through the perilous fight,
Of course it’s a fight for these war-mongering people.
Over the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming.
Again. Ableist. Were there no non-sight soldiers? So easy to just throw them aside.
And the rockets red glare,
Red, again, like the blood of the indigenous Amerindians who were slaughtered and whose land was stolen.
The bombs bursting in air,
Uh, if I may, shouldn’t the bombs be bursting on the ground? There were no airplanes.
Gave proof through the night, That our flag was still there.
Our? Belonging to whom? Such a western ideal of everything having to be owned by human white males.
O say does that Star-Spangled Banner yet wave?
O’er the land
Stolen
of the free
Except for slaves, women, and non-land owners
and the home
Someone else’s home
of the brave
Brave enough to rape a land where people had lived for thousands of years.
Why the hell would anyone play the national anthem at the start of work? Totally stupid analogy.
The Mavericks went 13 games, regular and pre-season, before anyone even noticed the absence of the anthem. Granted, Monday night’s game against Minnesota was the first that fans were allowed at American Airlines Center, and there were only 1,500 of them.
But none of the players, coaches or building staff had considered the anthem’s absence notable enough to mention it earlier. If any of the fans at Monday night’s game were upset, they haven’t said so publicly. There’ve been no protests, no burning of jerseys, no angry vows on Facebook to never buy season tickets again.
But none of the players, coaches or building staff had considered the anthem’s absence notable enough to mention it earlier. If any of the fans at Monday night’s game were upset, they haven’t said so publicly. There’ve been no protests, no burning of jerseys, no angry vows on Facebook to never buy season tickets again.
It’s a sign of respect to the flag, the country, and the men and women who have died to protect them. Of course far too many idiots today have no respect for anything so this doesn’t surprise me one bit. It does disgust me though.
Don’t know if you’ve ever thought this thru, but a single sporting event is work for hundreds of people.
The Mavericks have the right to not play the National Anthem. They can play any music they want before a game. I have the right to think that it was a nice tradition to play the National Anthem before professional athletic events, and it's really lame for a billionaire like Cuban to try to rationalize his leftist propaganda and cave to woke politics.
And for many minorities (rather that be religion, race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.) it’s a sign of hundreds of years of oppression.
What ********. It only became that when one self absorbed, attention starved, talent lacking football player told everyone what to think. Those who can’t think for themselves followed suit.
My initial reaction to this was to be upset.
Then I realize I havent watched a game since before Covid.
Then I realized the NBA is currently garbage and things like this are to be expected.
So it doesnt affect me much.
Then I realize I havent watched a game since before Covid.
Then I realized the NBA is currently garbage and things like this are to be expected.
So it doesnt affect me much.
You can’t prove that and you know it. Just more ******** radical right propaganda.
I'm not saying abolish the national anthem (though I do say abolish the creepy pledge of allegiance which is more like something you'd expect in a country like the USSR or North Korea than in a "land of the free.") It makes sense that you'd play it at, for instance, national team games against other countries' teams. Or at civic events and ceremonies. Other countries - like, almost all of them - manage to have a shared identity without the obsession with performative patriotism and display of iconography at events unrelated to anything national or civic that we do. American patriotism just displays a deep insecurity from my perspective, a need to constantly remind ourselves that "we're number 1, we're great!" and to ignore or deny deep problems in our society and our history in favor of a narrative of us as god's anointed people on an inevitable and foreordained march to greatness.
I can’t prove it? Really? When did the crap start? Have you been paying attention, or does your lack of an attention span get in the way? And radical propaganda? Please! The left wrote the damned book on radical propaganda.
I had to google to find out why we play the national anthem at sports events. It had to do with WWI.
I also want to clarify here: it's not about that we don't have shared ideals "anymore." It's about us never having lived up to the ideals. I believe in the ideals of liberty and justice for all, of a country of the people by the people and for the people. Of all equal. People who have knelt during the anthem, to use an example, aren't rejecting America or American ideals, they're making a statement that we've failed at upholding those ideals that they do believe in. I say "in theory" not because the ideals aren't shared, I say in theory because we've failed to really uphold those ideals. And if we really are committed to those ideals, we don't pat ourselves on our back about how great we are, we ask ourselves how we're failing and how we can better live up to those ideals we claim to adhere to.
Your missing the bigger picture in this fight. To your defense, so are many on the pro-anthem side as well. It’s easy to get caught up in an argument over a song. The forces behind this fight aren’t targeting the anthem itself.
The question is why is the anthem controversial all of a sudden? 10-15 years ago, that would have been unfathomable even for someone on the left such as yourself. In 2005 did you go around asking everyone why the anthem was played before sporting events? I’d guess not. Hell, you might’ve even supported playing it back then.
There is a much larger war going on about the inherent meaning of America. Multinational and global interests, led and financed by a communist country, have fed into our culture that America and its ideals are bad and irredeemable. All vessels and symbols of that must be targeted, erased, or at least re-written and reinterpreted. It’s not hard to understand the intent behind that. Research critical race theory being taught in our universities, businesses, and government. Come back to me if you don’t find that alarming.
This fight isn’t just about the anthem.
Prove it then if you are so confident that you are correct.
No, we saw it all of last year when little hoodie clad, skinny Jean wearing commies burned, looted, killed, attacked, and laid siege to numerous cities across the country while the leftist politicians not only let it happen but encouraged it in many instances. But it was apparently just a “summer of love”. LOL