NCAA Investigation

[AdamDawgDude]

I posted a similar thread on Genespage also....

Does anyone know what we did to get probation? We were investigated for years (which was a killer) and then given 4 years after nothing was really found. What is the inside scoop?

 

[AdamDawgDude]

I posted a similar thread on Genespage also....

Does anyone know what we did to get probation? We were investigated for years (which was a killer) and then given 4 years after nothing was really found. What is the inside scoop?

 

[99jc]

The NCAA announced Wednesday that its infractions committee found two former assistants and several boosters broke recruiting rules between 1998 and 2002

The Bulldogs will lose four scholarships for the 2005 and 2006 seasons, and they are limited to 45 expense-paid recruiting visits in each of the 2004-05 and 2005-06 academic years -- 11 fewer per year than the maximum allowed by the NCAA.</p>

Mississippi State in April admitted to secondary rules violations within the football program but denied more serious NCAA allegations of offering to provide cash and other perks to recruits.</p>The university received a letter of allegations from the NCAA on Dec. 2, detailing 13 possible rules violations, some by former assistants coaches Glenn Davis and Jerry Fremin. Among the violations, the committee found members of the Mississippi State football program improperly reimbursed prospective student-athletes for recruiting trips, giving recruits and their families money for hotel rooms and rental cars. An assistant coach arranged to pay for the summer school classes a recruit needed to become eligible and a booster allowed two recruits to stay in a hotel in Starkville for free.

 

[Dawg725]

that was an "impossible situation" for Croom...

bahhhh bahhh

 

[lawdawg02]

and there was something about a mcrae's, but i don't remember. it was ridiculous. they didn't have jack.

 

[99jc]

penalty's.

The uncertainty is gone," Croom said. "We can move forward and move our program in the direction we want it to go. ... We will not under my watch be in this situation again."

Thomas Yeager, chairman and commissioner of the NCAA committee, said the historical significance of hiring Croom was "immaterial to our conclusion," but credited Mississippi State for creating "a new atmosphere surrounding rules compliance."</p>

"There is a new direction with the program. ... Simply changing coaches does not necessarily mitigate (that) the committee will look favorably on that kind of personnel action," Yeager said. "In this case, it was a positive evaluation."</p>

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And so we have this hell of a mess we call our football program. In effect they did give us the death penalty
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[patdog]

for a whole semester while they were getting eligible at EMCC, don't you? That alone is a major violation and a lack of institutional control. And I can say for a fact that that is 100% true. 90% of the rest of that report was ********, but that little nugget alone is worth almost as much as we got in actual sanctions.

 

[AdamDawgDude]

The NCAA announced Wednesday that its infractions committee found two former assistants and several boosters broke recruiting rules between 1998 and 2002

The Bulldogs will lose four scholarships for the 2005 and 2006 seasons, and they are limited to 45 expense-paid recruiting visits in each of the 2004-05 and 2005-06 academic years -- 11 fewer per year than the maximum allowed by the NCAA.</p>

Mississippi State in April admitted to secondary rules violations within the football program but denied more serious NCAA allegations of offering to provide cash and other perks to recruits.</p>The university received a letter of allegations from the NCAA on Dec. 2, detailing 13 possible rules violations, some by former assistants coaches Glenn Davis and Jerry Fremin. Among the violations, the committee found members of the Mississippi State football program improperly reimbursed prospective student-athletes for recruiting trips, giving recruits and their families money for hotel rooms and rental cars. An assistant coach arranged to pay for the summer school classes a recruit needed to become eligible and a booster allowed two recruits to stay in a hotel in Starkville for free.

Even the allegations are weak.... Good grief. Everybody wines and dines recruits when they visit. What did we admit to--about a $1,000 worth of hotel bills? Is that really worthy of a two year investigation and 4 years of probation? The NCAA blows. I'm glad that Polk was such a pain in their ***....

 

[lawdawg02]

i didn't remember that making the "official" findings or whatever. either way, i do miss eating the $4 ramada buffet with all the players. funny, i don't remember them ever being in line with me to pay...</p>

 

[Agentdog]

If only the Ramda guy would have adopted them.

 

[I am Al Czervik]

but go look at Tubb's record at OM and compare. Remember he did that while losing 24 scholarships over a 2 year period (amongst other penalties). He was playing with 70 scholarship kids in his third year. Remind folks of that when they talk about being hit with probation, program in shambles, etc. For the record, we, like MSU, could have gotten worse.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

I am betting the NCAA would never have been able to unearth those records.

 

[OMlawdog]

Im not sure if anyone remembers him from several years ago, he was from Provine (I think), and actually a really nice kid and really smart.

One day after leaving the gym he we are talking about leaving for MSU, and he gets into a brand new Cadillac Escalade. I mentioned that he had a nicer car than me, and I had just finished my first year at a law firm, and he said, well if you had Coach Collins handling your career, you would be in one two.

Coach Collins was the Provine head coach, who got his fat *** son a scholarship to MSU. Neither one of them were SEC caliber, but Quentin Culberson who graduated the following year was, and MSU got him too.

I only know of one other MSU recruiting story, and that one involves old Eric Dotson on the coast, and I know everyone has heard that one.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

The actual NCAA report says:

During the period January 9-20, 2001, and while the university was recruiting two football prospective student-athletes, the general manager of a local hotel permitted the young men to reside at the hotel's annex at no cost to them.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> The local hotel was a representative of the university's athletics interests.

Not quite the same thing as a semester.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

Tennessee boosters paid thousands of dollars to Tee Martin. It was simply the SEC and the NCAA got tired of Jackie Sherrill's teams making Alabama, Auburn, Texas, and Florida their little bitches. They want MState to be the Washington Generals of the SEC-a nice little team you know you can beat for Homecoming.

 

[CivilEngineerDog]

PLAIN AND SIMPLE. We did nothing that different than everyone else, but the universe was out of whack when we started winning. A certain school felt we were infringing on their God given right to dominate Mississippi football, so they hired private investigators to find dirt on the King!!@##$! Meanwhile, a certain ZenaReb helped matters along only as a female rebel booster could. Also the same thing they did to Bob Tyler and Larry Gallard back in 1975!

 

[ArrowDawg]

....MSU and look at what Rich Brooks has done with that program. We're talking about a school where basketball rules.

 

[The Big Slick]

"Prospect 4 spent approximately $20 of the money on fast food, soft drinks and antacid."

They actually took the time to type that.

 

[thatsbaseball]

than the way lawyers get theirs.</p>

 

[MississippiHeavyMetalDawg]

How does an Escalade compare to the cost of 11 nights at the Ramada?
What was Ole Miss's punishment? I'm still waiting.

 

[SLUdog]

pay for these gentleman to live in a hotel? Did Sherrill or a member of the coaching staff pay for it? Just curious as to who "we" actually is.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

The NCAA announced Wednesday that its infractions committee found two former assistants and several boosters broke recruiting rules between 1998 and 2002

The Bulldogs will lose four scholarships for the 2005 and 2006 seasons, and they are limited to 45 expense-paid recruiting visits in each of the 2004-05 and 2005-06 academic years -- 11 fewer per year than the maximum allowed by the NCAA.</p>.

And Croom said "11 fewer expense paid visits?! Is that all? I'll show you! I'll leave more on the table! Take that you NCAA bitches"

 

[FlabLoser]

The NCAA announced Wednesday that its infractions committee found two former assistants and several boosters broke recruiting rules between 1998 and 2002

The Bulldogs will lose four scholarships for the 2005 and 2006 seasons, and they are limited to 45 expense-paid recruiting visits in each of the 2004-05 and 2005-06 academic years -- 11 fewer per year than the maximum allowed by the NCAA.</p>.

And Croom said "11 fewer expense paid visits?! Is that all? I'll show you! I'll leave more on the table! Take that you NCAA bitches"

No kiddin. I was gonna say - Croom didn't even use all his probation-limited scholarships. We shoulda gotten credit for the ones we left on the table.

 

[patdog]

But nobody actually paid for the lodging because it was comped by the hotel owner.</p>

 

[Ole Miss Grad]

But nobody actually paid for the lodging because it was comped by the hotel owner.</p>

Y'all are conveniently leaving out (if I remember right) that your compliance director's wife was the GM of the hotel. Than in itself made it worse.

As for the dates, I seem to recall they would've probably stayed longer if the violation didn't come out.

 

[HighPointDawg]

They definitely got by on that one.. But not from any favors, just because of how the rules are set up. Technically if Ole Miss wanted to keep playing him they could have taken that chance but they were trying to avoid further looks into other players. The same Shelter insurance office that held the insurance on Goldie's ride had about 14 other player cars (all owned by same person).. One time there was a fraternity brawl or something where all their cars got keyed and windows smashed and it looked like a players meeting in Senatobia getting them quoted. the owner wanted to file claims on them so they had to bring the cars in. A certain person who lives in my house worked there for a while and would come in with some interesting stories. I think the guy who owned them is in jail now so not sure where they get cars from now.... ..and yes, I'm sure that MSU does the same..

 

[Bulldog Backer]

The actual NCAA report says:

During the period January 9-20, 2001, and while the university was recruiting two football prospective student-athletes, the general manager of a local hotel permitted the young men to reside at the hotel's annex at no cost to them. The local hotel was a representative of the university's athletics interests.

Not quite the same thing as a semester.

I was told by a source in the Athletic Department that Kelly and Wright stayed at the Ramada for almost a semester, but were paying for it themselves in an old wing in back which was lower cost than the newer part and were paying every two weeks. When the NCAA investigator asked them for receipts, they could find all but one of the receipts. The Ramada couldn't come up with it either. They shared a room and alternated paying. If there was intention to provide lodging free, it would seem they wouldn't have paid the remainder of the time.

 

[gdogg]

I was hoping Jackie would scewer that ***** from Madison. What is the update?</p>