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gottagonow

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You must be a follower of the emperor. You are chuckling as you know its out of control and hand. Surely you must miss the good ole days when we had values in our government.
 
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LetsGoDuke301

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Without the out of control generations, things like suffrage and civil rights would not exist. Just my opinion though.
I appreciate your views and how you support them. However, women's and minority's suffrage along with civil rights were and are a real issue. This whole transgender thing is more of a mental health issue than it is a civil rights issue. And the left is using it as a ploy to gain political support. It is the perfect example of how there is no end to the PC left. Once this becomes the demanded norm, something else will be pushed on us to accept. Call it conspiracy if you want, but it is exactly what is happening.
 

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I haven't said a word about this yet but I'm sick and tired of hearing about it . To be honest nothing is clear to me about anything. I do feel if someone has a pecker they should be using an urinal to pee in. I believe if they have to squat to pee they should use a toilet/commode depending where you are from. If they get it fixed to where they can use an urinal or have to squat then I'm ok with it. To be honest I wish it would just all go away among other problems we are having but I know it's not and has to be dealt with. I'm too old for this crap. My heart can't take it. I just want to watch some Duke basketball in my recliner all by myself so I can have joy or deal with disappointment alone. OFC
 
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Surely you must miss the good ole days when we had values in our government.

I don't remember those days ever actually existing, haha. We can hold up people in government as saints, but that's never been the case really. They have always just been people who have their own flaws.

And LetsGo, I'm not asking anyone to accept it, but that goes both ways. You don't have to accept it as a norm, but I can. I'm sure there are things I won't accept as a norm, but you will.

I try not to say what's better or worse. Viewpoints are different and that's what makes this country great. I just don't think standing up for something to feel strongly about is being out of control. We're all doing that right now in this thread.
 
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LetsGoDuke301

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I don't remember those days ever actually existing, haha. We can hold up people in government as saints, but that's never been the case really. They have always just been people who have their own flaws.

And LetsGo, I'm not asking anyone to accept it, but that goes both ways. You don't have to accept it as a norm, but I can. I'm sure there are things I won't accept as a norm, but you will.

I try not to say what's better or worse. Viewpoints are different and that's what makes this country great. I just don't think standing up for something to feel strongly about is being out of control. We're all doing that right now in this thread.
Absolutely. You are one of my favorite posters on this board. We are different in many ways and we have different views. But don't take what I say as disrespect.
 
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I don't remember those days ever actually existing, haha. We can hold up people in government as saints, but that's never been the case really. They have always just been people who have their own flaws.

And LetsGo, I'm not asking anyone to accept it, but that goes both ways. You don't have to accept it as a norm, but I can. I'm sure there are things I won't accept as a norm, but you will.

I try not to say what's better or worse. Viewpoints are different and that's what makes this country great. I just don't think standing up for something to feel strongly about is being out of control. We're all doing that right now in this thread.

Thanks for being civil.
 
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Absolutely. You are one of my favorite posters on this board. We are different in many ways and we have different views. But don't take what I say as disrespect.

I don't at all. The feeling is mutual. In fact, I don't really disagree regarding this being a mental health issue.

When this started, there were 2 analogies I kept thinking of. The first was AIDS. I am old enough to remember when the disease was labeled the "gay plague". People were not afraid to come out as gay, but rather as AIDS victims because society would assume they got it from some lewd behavior. Then victims started standing up for themselves, society was educated and the real issue was dealt with.

The other one may be more on point, but it is PTSD. It's obviously a mental illness that I have a lot of sympathy for, but decades and centuries ago you would come back from a war as "shell shocked" and were considered weak if you couldn't shake it. Then through a lot of effort, society came to understand it better and it changed the way it is now treated and how society views it. I think this is the ultimate message here, but it gets lost in politics and lunacy at times.

Frankly, I have no idea what the right answer is, but we all have a say in how it's handled at the voting booth. Chances are if you bring me a good suggestion, I'll agree with you, haha.
 

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The other one may be more on point, but it is PTSD. It's obviously a mental illness that I have a lot of sympathy for, but decades and centuries ago you would come back from a war as "shell shocked" and were considered weak if you couldn't shake it. Then through a lot of effort, society came to understand it better and it changed the way it is now treated and how society views it. I think this is the ultimate message here, but it gets lost in politics and lunacy at times.


dbav do you remember the movie Patton and the shell shocked soldier Patton slapped and called a disgraceful coward. Imagine how the Germans and Russians must have treated shell shock in WW2. And dBav, yes, thank you for being a civil Dukie.
I haven't said a word about this yet but I'm sick and tired of hearing about it . To be honest nothing is clear to me about anything. I do feel if someone has a pecker they should be using an urinal to pee in. I believe if they have to squat to pee they should use a toilet/commode depending where you are from. If they get it fixed to where they can use an urinal or have to squat then I'm ok with it. To be honest I wish it would just all go away among other problems we are having but I know it's not and has to be dealt with. I'm too old for this crap. My heart can't take it. I just want to watch some Duke basketball in my recliner all by myself so I can have joy or deal with disappointment alone. OFC
Sky you are so right! So many things have been made critical issues by those on the opposite side, which ever that may be. Personally I long for about 1960 when all I had to worry about was where and when to play what ever it was we played, usually cowboys and Indians or Swamp Fox or how many lightning bugs I could catch when the sun went down or shooting marbles out of a circle.
 
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The idea that "protections" are a right in all cases should be critically evaluated. There is a limit as to what our laws can shield us from. These statements apply to both sides of such debates. If both sides make honest concessions, we'd likely need no new law at all in this case.
 
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pisgah101

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Ironic:

I won't begrudge someone their opinion on a topic, especially one this divisive. Just don't hide behind civility after insulting those who hold a view counter to your own. It's quite disingenuous.;)


That's fine. I stand by what I said though some of you are warped. The idea you want a common sense law removed because .2% of people might be upset is scary. What about the 50 some percent of woman that are put in unnecessary danger because ANY male can say "I'm a woman today" and go to peep in the bathroom
 

Mark Gastineau

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I stand by what I said though some of you are warped
Then you shouldn't be thanking people for civility when you aren't even behaving as such.
The idea you want a common sense law removed because .2% of people might be upset
For those of us who disagree with you, it has more to do with the inherently discriminatory effect of the bill. Saying the backlash to HB2 is merely due to ".2% of people" being "upset" grossly overlooks the civil rights at issue here. Again, you are free to your opinion. However, you shouldn't simplify the legal reasons underlying the backlash.

At the end of the day, I have a hard time believing this bill doesn't get repealed by North Carolina after this upcoming election cycle. And if it doesn't, the Supreme Court will eventually overturn the law because it is discriminatory on its face. Ironically enough, this law will likely do more to advance transgender rights in the end despite being crafted with the opposite intent.
 

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The other one may be more on point, but it is PTSD. It's obviously a mental illness that I have a lot of sympathy for, but decades and centuries ago you would come back from a war as "shell shocked" and were considered weak if you couldn't shake it. Then through a lot of effort, society came to understand it better and it changed the way it is now treated and how society views it. I think this is the ultimate message here, but it gets lost in politics and lunacy at times.


dbav do you remember the movie Patton and the shell shocked soldier Patton slapped and called a disgraceful coward. Imagine how the Germans and Russians must have treated shell shock in WW2. And dBav, yes, thank you for being a civil Dukie.

Sky you are so right! So many things have been made critical issues by those on the opposite side, which ever that may be. Personally I long for about 1960 when all I had to worry about was where and when to play what ever it was we played, usually cowboys and Indians or Swamp Fox or how many lightning bugs I could catch when the sun went down or shooting marbles out of a circle.


Amen. " Swamp fox, Swamp fox, tail on his hat. No one knows where the Swamp Fox at. Swamp Fox, Swamp Fox hiding in the glenn. He'll ride away to fight again." OFC
 

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Amen. " Swamp fox, Swamp fox, tail on his hat. No one knows where the Swamp Fox at. Swamp Fox, Swamp Fox hiding in the glenn. He'll ride away to fight again." OFC
Too bad it was Mel Gibson and not Tom Hanks, though it was good to have him in Saving Private Ryan. Amazing movie.
 
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Amen. " Swamp fox, Swamp fox, tail on his hat. No one knows where the Swamp Fox at. Swamp Fox, Swamp Fox hiding in the glenn. He'll ride away to fight again." OFC



Hey gotta. Who played The Swamp Fox in the old T.V. series? OFC
 
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That's fine. I stand by what I said though some of you are warped. The idea you want a common sense law removed because .2% of people might be upset is scary. What about the 50 some percent of woman that are put in unnecessary danger because ANY male can say "I'm a woman today" and go to peep in the bathroom
This issue has a lot more to it than
just bathroom peeping. Governor is playing scare tactics with bathroom peeping nonsense & some people cannot see through it. Article below hits on all points.http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2016/09/13/north-carolina-bathroom-bill-hb2-ncaa-tournament

Governor needs new PR director as well, her statements made zero sense.
 
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pisgah101

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Mark I can make a statement anyway I wish. As for the response I loved it! Straight to the point and put it out there exactly how it is. The NCAA should be ashamed as should anyone wanting to open bathrooms and locker rooms to anyone
 
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Mark I can make a statement anyway I wish
I just find it ironic that you appear to appreciate civility when you haven't even acted as such. Calling people "warped" because they are mindful of the legal implications surrounding HB2 and its discriminatory effect is hardly civil.
The NCAA should be ashamed as should anyone wanting to open bathrooms and locker rooms to anyone
This statement is a pretty big oversimplification of the reason people are opposed to HB2.
 

pisgah101

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I just find it ironic that you appear to appreciate civility when you haven't even acted as such. Calling people "warped" because they are mindful of the legal implications surrounding HB2 and its discriminatory effect is hardly civil.

This statement is a pretty big oversimplification of the reason people are opposed to HB2.

Then please fully explain because that was the purpose of the law. Without it any high school male could walk in the girls locker room and shower
 

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I knew this was coming and it MAY just be a matter of time before the ACCT and the ACC football championship are removed from the state.
 
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Because I've been to several meetings with members of the legislature and they ALL say the same thing
Not surprising considering they are the ones who passed a law that is discriminatory on its face and have perpetuated this narrative of men freely going into the women's restroom as a way of ratcheting up public support rooted in unsubstantiated fear.
 
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Is it not? Because I've been to several meetings with members of the legislature and they ALL say the same thing. As did the Charlotte law
Not accurate, it would have to be a person who is legally identified by the opposite sex of their birth.

Btw, I don't recall cops standing outside my high school bathroom so anyone could walk in regardless of what the law says.

ACC just yanked Football game, McRory is done.
 
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Why not allow the voters of NC to have their say before taking any events. Voice your opinion, tell the people if there is not a change we leave, then allow the elections to take place. If the people of NC don't like the law, then those in power will be voted out, but what if the people do like it, then they stay and you can run to where ever you want. At least give the people of NC a chance to have their say first.
 

Mark Gastineau

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Why not allow the voters of NC to have their say before taking any events
I get what you're saying, but why should the NCAA put this on the backburner for a couple more months and trust the same people who elected the legislature that brought about this law in the first place?
 

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Then please fully explain because that was the purpose of the law. Without it any high school male could walk in the girls locker room and shower
No, any high school male could not. "Identify as" is imprecise language in much the same way "homophobia" is. It means transgender, which means living her entire life as female (in the case you mention) except for genitalia. The issue of changing and showering is trickier, but for using the restrooms, schools will be the easiest place to monitor it.
 

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PM will be voted out in November because of the events/revenue lost and not because people actually disagree with the law. Do we honestly think it was right when the city of Charlotte tried to force private businesses to let men in women's facilities? Shouldn't the 99.9% have a say so?
 

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...women's and minority's suffrage along with civil rights were and are a real issue. This whole transgender thing is more of a mental health issue than it is a civil rights issue. And the left is using it as a ploy to gain political support. It is the perfect example of how there is no end to the PC left...
I'm not really sure how or why you would expect civility when you post things like this.
Every civil right anyone has ever fought for has faced resistance. Hence, the need to fight. A huge part of that resistance every time has been to dismiss it as a civil right and categorize it as something else, and to accuse others of political grandstanding.

What does "PC" even mean anymore?
 

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PM will be voted out in November because of the events/revenue lost and not because people actually disagree with the law. Do we honestly think it was right when the city of Charlotte tried to force private businesses to let men in women's facilities? Shouldn't the 99.9% have a say so?
Many of us honestly don't think Charlotte did any such thing.
 

Mark Gastineau

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PM will be voted out in November because of the events/revenue lost and not because people actually disagree with the law
While loss of revenue is certainly a prime consideration, I think you're underestimating the number of people who are genuinely against the discriminatory effect HB2 will have if it is not repealed.
Do we honestly think it was right when the city of Charlotte tried to force private businesses to let men in women's facilities?
That's not really an accurate representation of the ordinance Charlotte passed.
Shouldn't the 99.9% have a say so?
Yes, except when it inherently discriminates against a class of people, which is unconstitutional.
 

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The NCAA should leave this alone. How about investigating the Tarholes for 18 years of cheating , That is what they are supposed to be d
PM will be voted out in November because of the events/revenue lost and not because people actually disagree with the law. Do we honestly think it was right when the city of Charlotte tried to force private businesses to let men in women's facilities? Shouldn't the 99.9% have a say so?
Right, if the city of Charlotte had not passed this stupid ordinance , there would be no HB-2. They created a problem when there had been none. Yet no one blames them..Now, they are the ones losing the most money. Karma..
 

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"While loss of revenue is certainly a prime consideration, I think you're underestimating the number of people who are genuinely against the discriminatory effect HB2 will have if it is not repealed. "

Mark you got it right when you said people were against the EFFECT this law has had. Now that we are losing revenue and our beloved events people are up in arms. They didn't give a rat's *** about the rights of transgenders before and will not after. Again it is the EFFECT this law has had that people are angry about, not really the law itself.
 

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There's absolutely debating over how you misrepresented it in your last post.

What was misrepresented? Did or did not the city of Charlotte pass a law that would have let men in women's facilities in public businesses? How is that not forcing a law on a business?
 

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The NCAA should leave this alone. How about investigating the Tarholes for 18 years of cheating , That is what they are supposed to be d

Right, if the city of Charlotte had not passed this stupid ordinance , there would be no HB-2. They created a problem when there had been none. Yet no one blames them..Now, they are the ones losing the most money. Karma..
The NCAA has an interest in protecting its member institutions, their athletes, students, and fans. They still won't hold championship events in Mississippi over the Confederate flag. Civil rights and politics have almost always overlapped with sports; I don't understand how anyone would be surprised that it is happening now, too.

Charlotte's ordinance was proactive and in line with similar measures all over the country. Their future as a city that hosts major events like conferences, satellite offices, concerts, sporting events, and more depends on it. When considering where to hold an event, people want to know how attendees will be treated. Charlotte isn't going to beat out other bidders without such an ordinance. The response to it, HB2, is considered the most extreme law of its kind in the country. The NC GOP owns that. They are still inexplicably proud of HB2. How do you then turn around and blame it on Charlotte?
 
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