You must be a follower of the emperor. You are chuckling as you know its out of control and hand. Surely you must miss the good ole days when we had values in our government.
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I appreciate your views and how you support them. However, women's and minority's suffrage along with civil rights were and are a real issue. This whole transgender thing is more of a mental health issue than it is a civil rights issue. And the left is using it as a ploy to gain political support. It is the perfect example of how there is no end to the PC left. Once this becomes the demanded norm, something else will be pushed on us to accept. Call it conspiracy if you want, but it is exactly what is happening.Without the out of control generations, things like suffrage and civil rights would not exist. Just my opinion though.
Surely you must miss the good ole days when we had values in our government.
Absolutely. You are one of my favorite posters on this board. We are different in many ways and we have different views. But don't take what I say as disrespect.I don't remember those days ever actually existing, haha. We can hold up people in government as saints, but that's never been the case really. They have always just been people who have their own flaws.
And LetsGo, I'm not asking anyone to accept it, but that goes both ways. You don't have to accept it as a norm, but I can. I'm sure there are things I won't accept as a norm, but you will.
I try not to say what's better or worse. Viewpoints are different and that's what makes this country great. I just don't think standing up for something to feel strongly about is being out of control. We're all doing that right now in this thread.
I don't remember those days ever actually existing, haha. We can hold up people in government as saints, but that's never been the case really. They have always just been people who have their own flaws.
And LetsGo, I'm not asking anyone to accept it, but that goes both ways. You don't have to accept it as a norm, but I can. I'm sure there are things I won't accept as a norm, but you will.
I try not to say what's better or worse. Viewpoints are different and that's what makes this country great. I just don't think standing up for something to feel strongly about is being out of control. We're all doing that right now in this thread.
Absolutely. You are one of my favorite posters on this board. We are different in many ways and we have different views. But don't take what I say as disrespect.
Sky you are so right! So many things have been made critical issues by those on the opposite side, which ever that may be. Personally I long for about 1960 when all I had to worry about was where and when to play what ever it was we played, usually cowboys and Indians or Swamp Fox or how many lightning bugs I could catch when the sun went down or shooting marbles out of a circle.I haven't said a word about this yet but I'm sick and tired of hearing about it . To be honest nothing is clear to me about anything. I do feel if someone has a pecker they should be using an urinal to pee in. I believe if they have to squat to pee they should use a toilet/commode depending where you are from. If they get it fixed to where they can use an urinal or have to squat then I'm ok with it. To be honest I wish it would just all go away among other problems we are having but I know it's not and has to be dealt with. I'm too old for this crap. My heart can't take it. I just want to watch some Duke basketball in my recliner all by myself so I can have joy or deal with disappointment alone. OFC
Deplorable isn't exactly an obscure word.Yeah it's not very common lol
Ironic:Thanks for being civil.
I won't begrudge someone their opinion on a topic, especially one this divisive. Just don't hide behind civility after insulting those who hold a view counter to your own. It's quite disingenuous.Thank God some of you aren't warped
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I won't begrudge someone their opinion on a topic, especially one this divisive. Just don't hide behind civility after insulting those who hold a view counter to your own. It's quite disingenuous.![]()
Then you shouldn't be thanking people for civility when you aren't even behaving as such.I stand by what I said though some of you are warped
For those of us who disagree with you, it has more to do with the inherently discriminatory effect of the bill. Saying the backlash to HB2 is merely due to ".2% of people" being "upset" grossly overlooks the civil rights at issue here. Again, you are free to your opinion. However, you shouldn't simplify the legal reasons underlying the backlash.The idea you want a common sense law removed because .2% of people might be upset
The other one may be more on point, but it is PTSD. It's obviously a mental illness that I have a lot of sympathy for, but decades and centuries ago you would come back from a war as "shell shocked" and were considered weak if you couldn't shake it. Then through a lot of effort, society came to understand it better and it changed the way it is now treated and how society views it. I think this is the ultimate message here, but it gets lost in politics and lunacy at times.
dbav do you remember the movie Patton and the shell shocked soldier Patton slapped and called a disgraceful coward. Imagine how the Germans and Russians must have treated shell shock in WW2. And dBav, yes, thank you for being a civil Dukie.
Sky you are so right! So many things have been made critical issues by those on the opposite side, which ever that may be. Personally I long for about 1960 when all I had to worry about was where and when to play what ever it was we played, usually cowboys and Indians or Swamp Fox or how many lightning bugs I could catch when the sun went down or shooting marbles out of a circle.
Too bad it was Mel Gibson and not Tom Hanks, though it was good to have him in Saving Private Ryan. Amazing movie.Amen. " Swamp fox, Swamp fox, tail on his hat. No one knows where the Swamp Fox at. Swamp Fox, Swamp Fox hiding in the glenn. He'll ride away to fight again." OFC
Amen. " Swamp fox, Swamp fox, tail on his hat. No one knows where the Swamp Fox at. Swamp Fox, Swamp Fox hiding in the glenn. He'll ride away to fight again." OFC
This issue has a lot more to it thanThat's fine. I stand by what I said though some of you are warped. The idea you want a common sense law removed because .2% of people might be upset is scary. What about the 50 some percent of woman that are put in unnecessary danger because ANY male can say "I'm a woman today" and go to peep in the bathroom
I just find it ironic that you appear to appreciate civility when you haven't even acted as such. Calling people "warped" because they are mindful of the legal implications surrounding HB2 and its discriminatory effect is hardly civil.Mark I can make a statement anyway I wish
This statement is a pretty big oversimplification of the reason people are opposed to HB2.The NCAA should be ashamed as should anyone wanting to open bathrooms and locker rooms to anyone
I just find it ironic that you appear to appreciate civility when you haven't even acted as such. Calling people "warped" because they are mindful of the legal implications surrounding HB2 and its discriminatory effect is hardly civil.
This statement is a pretty big oversimplification of the reason people are opposed to HB2.
This isn't accurate.Without it any high school male could walk in the girls locker room and shower
Is it not? Because I've been to several meetings with members of the legislature and they ALL say the same thing. As did the Charlotte lawThis isn't accurate.
Not surprising considering they are the ones who passed a law that is discriminatory on its face and have perpetuated this narrative of men freely going into the women's restroom as a way of ratcheting up public support rooted in unsubstantiated fear.Because I've been to several meetings with members of the legislature and they ALL say the same thing
Not accurate, it would have to be a person who is legally identified by the opposite sex of their birth.Is it not? Because I've been to several meetings with members of the legislature and they ALL say the same thing. As did the Charlotte law
Good riddance. They should clear out the General Assembly too.McRory is done.
I get what you're saying, but why should the NCAA put this on the backburner for a couple more months and trust the same people who elected the legislature that brought about this law in the first place?Why not allow the voters of NC to have their say before taking any events
No, any high school male could not. "Identify as" is imprecise language in much the same way "homophobia" is. It means transgender, which means living her entire life as female (in the case you mention) except for genitalia. The issue of changing and showering is trickier, but for using the restrooms, schools will be the easiest place to monitor it.Then please fully explain because that was the purpose of the law. Without it any high school male could walk in the girls locker room and shower
I'm not really sure how or why you would expect civility when you post things like this....women's and minority's suffrage along with civil rights were and are a real issue. This whole transgender thing is more of a mental health issue than it is a civil rights issue. And the left is using it as a ploy to gain political support. It is the perfect example of how there is no end to the PC left...
Many of us honestly don't think Charlotte did any such thing.PM will be voted out in November because of the events/revenue lost and not because people actually disagree with the law. Do we honestly think it was right when the city of Charlotte tried to force private businesses to let men in women's facilities? Shouldn't the 99.9% have a say so?
While loss of revenue is certainly a prime consideration, I think you're underestimating the number of people who are genuinely against the discriminatory effect HB2 will have if it is not repealed.PM will be voted out in November because of the events/revenue lost and not because people actually disagree with the law
That's not really an accurate representation of the ordinance Charlotte passed.Do we honestly think it was right when the city of Charlotte tried to force private businesses to let men in women's facilities?
Yes, except when it inherently discriminates against a class of people, which is unconstitutional.Shouldn't the 99.9% have a say so?
Right, if the city of Charlotte had not passed this stupid ordinance , there would be no HB-2. They created a problem when there had been none. Yet no one blames them..Now, they are the ones losing the most money. Karma..PM will be voted out in November because of the events/revenue lost and not because people actually disagree with the law. Do we honestly think it was right when the city of Charlotte tried to force private businesses to let men in women's facilities? Shouldn't the 99.9% have a say so?
There's absolutely debating over how you misrepresented it in your last post.Well they did or attempted to. There is no debating that.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article61786967.html
There's absolutely debating over how you misrepresented it in your last post.
The NCAA has an interest in protecting its member institutions, their athletes, students, and fans. They still won't hold championship events in Mississippi over the Confederate flag. Civil rights and politics have almost always overlapped with sports; I don't understand how anyone would be surprised that it is happening now, too.The NCAA should leave this alone. How about investigating the Tarholes for 18 years of cheating , That is what they are supposed to be d
Right, if the city of Charlotte had not passed this stupid ordinance , there would be no HB-2. They created a problem when there had been none. Yet no one blames them..Now, they are the ones losing the most money. Karma..