NCAA typical laziness and ineptitude

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In true NCAA fashion you penalize how you look down the stretch a.k.a. the “eye test” but you ignore the last few games of the conference tournament. You also say it’s due to an injury of a key player yet you ignore a lineup change in the conference tourney that finally adjusts for the loss.

Yes we looked awful in our 2-7 stretch in the 7 losses, but it’s not like Pike wasn’t making changes trying to adjust for Mag game in game out.

The simple fact is the committee is too lazy to work hard the last week and have to adjust based on what is an additional 2-4 games of conference tournaments. So rather than put in the time they ignore them so they can schmooze and party and celebrate their “hard work”.

The “eye test” if you include the conference tournament shows without a doubt we are a not only a tourney team but back to our early season form with Simpson at the 1.

The NCAA continues to shows the inability to be anything other than a total joke of an organization with the inability to do anything the right way that cares nothing about anything other than $.
 

goru7

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In true NCAA fashion you penalize how you look down the stretch a.k.a. the “eye test” but you ignore the last few games of the conference tournament. You also say it’s due to an injury of a key player yet you ignore a lineup change in the conference tourney that finally adjusts for the loss.

Yes we looked awful in our 2-7 stretch in the 7 losses, but it’s not like Pike wasn’t making changes trying to adjust for Mag game in game out.

The simple fact is the committee is too lazy to work hard the last week and have to adjust based on what is an additional 2-4 games of conference tournaments. So rather than put in the time they ignore them so they can schmooze and party and celebrate their “hard work”.

The “eye test” if you include the conference tournament shows without a doubt we are a not only a tourney team but back to our early season form with Simpson at the 1.

The NCAA continues to shows the inability to be anything other than a total joke of an organization with the inability to do anything the right way that cares nothing about anything other than $.
You are correct totally but a correction we were 2-6 after Mag injury not 2-7.
The Committee chair citing the team didn’t look the same post Mag injury was something we can get some agreement with but then Pike makes the switch to start Derek and he totally energized the team and we get our swagger back. We didn’t beat a lousy team in Michigan but a true bubble team that was really thought to be playing better down the stretch and won by double digits and we must have broke a record holding them to 1 fg in the first 19 minutes of the second half.
Then we are leading Purdue , something few teams have done all year and it is a 1 point game at the half and we go toe to toe with a team the Committee seeded #1. It was obvious to anyone that watched that Rutgers got its swagger and tenacity back and was dangerous and could win 2 games in the NCAA’s . As Matt Painter said “ Rutgers is clearly an NCAA team “.

So the Committee started their meeting on Wednesday and decided not to watch Thursday or Friday’s games in the tourney. They literally have 1 job to do and they stopped doing it .
Even more curious , they cited our stumble post Mag and I think they meant not only the Minnesota loss but losing 3 home games in a row to Nebraska , Michigan and Northwestern , and looking offensively non functional against Michigan and Northwestern . Rutgers losing 3 home games at the RAC let alone 1 was a signal that things were not right with the team , so it wasn’t only the Minnesota loss . Their laziness in not finding out what happened in a road game at Minnesota where we dominated the game by 7-14 points and up 10 with 1:15 left and a miracle had to happen for the loss on a buzzer beater is more failure on the job.
Even more curious was the 2 wins were road wins at Wisconsin where we played without Caleb and Mag , against a team that was definitely on the bubble and desperate for the win, and we pulled it out , Then at Penn State where we pulled out the comeback , the 2nd time we beat them , the first one in dominate fashion , and another team that was desperate for the win because they were also on the bubble ( Then proceeded to win 5 straight games and take Purdue to the wire and ended with a 10 seed)
Their criteria the Committee used to value or they previously made clear that they really wanted to see was road wins. How about 2 road wins against desperate bubble teams that had stellar home records all year . Again ignored or just lazy sloppy work and a failure at their jobs.

Finally to ignore total body of work , another talking point of the Committee every year and apply it to us differently than Vanderbilt who had won 10/12 in the SEC , one of the hottest High Major Conference teams in the Country , is baffling and inconsistent.
At the end of the day , their stated criteria was not followed and they failed miserably at their job. They snubbed Rutgers the worst , Vandy as well and Clemson. They didn’t compare resumes of the 3 teams they left out compared to teams they put in and conveniently ignored 20-30 point losses as not being a bad loss because it happened in conference . Again , illogical , lazy , hypocritical and a failure on their part.
 
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RUChoppin

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You are correct totally but a correction we were 2-6 after Mag injury not 2-7.
The Committee chair citing the team didn’t look the same post Mag injury was something we can get some agreement with but then Pike makes the switch to start Derek and he totally energized the team and we get our swagger back. We didn’t beat a lousy team in Michigan but a true bubble team that was really thought to be playing better down the stretch and won by double digits and we must have broke a record holding them to 1 fg in the first 19 minutes of the second half.
Then we are leading Purdue , something few teams have done all year and it is a 1 point game at the half and we go toe to toe with a team the Committee seeded #1. It was obvious to anyone that watched that Rutgers got its swagger and tenacity back and was dangerous and could win 2 games in the NCAA’s . As Matt Painter said “ Rutgers is clearly an NCAA team “.

So the Committee started their meeting on Wednesday and decided not to watch Thursday or Friday’s games in the tourney. They literally have 1 job to do and they stopped doing it .
Even more curious , they cited our stumble post Mag and I think they meant not only the Minnesota loss but losing 3 home games in a row to Nebraska , Michigan and Northwestern , and looking offensively non functional against Michigan and Northwestern . Rutgers losing 3 home games at the RAC let alone 1 was a signal that things were not right with the team , so it wasn’t only the Minnesota loss . Their laziness in not finding out what happened in a road game at Minnesota where we dominated the game by 7-14 points and up 10 with 1:15 left and a miracle had to happen for the loss on a buzzer beater is more failure on the job.
Even more curious was the 2 wins were road wins at Wisconsin where we played without Caleb and Mag , against a team that was definitely on the bubble and desperate for the win, and we pulled it out , Then at Penn State where we pulled out the comeback , the 2nd time we beat them , the first one in dominate fashion , and another team that was desperate for the win because they were also on the bubble ( Then proceeded to win 5 straight games and take Purdue to the wire and ended with a 10 seed)
Their criteria the Committee used to value or they previously made clear that they really wanted to see was road wins. How about 2 road wins against desperate bubble teams that had stellar home records all year . Again ignored or just lazy sloppy work and a failure at their jobs.

Finally to ignore total body of work , another talking point of the Committee every year and apply it to us differently than Vanderbilt who had won 10/12 in the SEC , one of the hottest High Major Conference teams in the Country , is baffling and inconsistent.
At the end of the day , their stated criteria was not followed and they failed miserably at their job. They snubbed Rutgers the worst , Vandy as well and Clemson. They didn’t compare resumes of the 3 teams they left out compared to teams they put in and conveniently ignored 20-30 point losses as not being a bad loss because it happened in conference . Again , illogical , lazy , hypercritical , and a failure on their part.

Really feels like the "final call" on the bracket was made a week prior, and the conference tournament games didn't matter. If the determination had already been made by that point, our win over Michigan didn't matter at all - and Michigan wasn't a "true bubble team" but a "team out of the field"'.

If that is the case, and they had already made up their minds early, then Minnesota largely closed the door and the loss to Northwestern was the final nail in the coffin, leaving us as an 18-13 team that had fallen apart after a key injury. There was no righting of the ship, because the decision was already made before that happened.
 

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Really feels like the "final call" on the bracket was made a week prior, and the conference tournament games didn't matter. If the determination had already been made by that point, our win over Michigan didn't matter at all - and Michigan wasn't a "true bubble team" but a "team out of the field"'.

If that is the case, and they had already made up their minds early, then Minnesota largely closed the door and the loss to Northwestern was the final nail in the coffin, leaving us as an 18-13 team that had fallen apart after a key injury. There was no righting of the ship, because the decision was already made before that happened.
Yeah that could be but that is clearly the Committee failing in doing their job which was to get the beat teams in the tourney. They literally had 1 job to do and the most important part is to get the seeding right and making sure your last 10 teams on are the right ones. Ignoring conference tournaments totally is incompetence and a failure of their job. Otherwise , let it now be proclaimed conference tourneys are only moneymakers and for giving big conference teams to bid steal if you have a mediocre year and the regular season is the official end of our consideration
 
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Simple fact is big ten and it officials confirmed rutgers should have beat Ohio state which would have made rutgers a 5 seed in the big ten tournament. Committe just said a 5 seed in the big ten tournament is not worthy of a bid but the 6, 7 an 10 seeds of same tournament get in because of an injury. There is no other read.
 
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Given that they didn't really consider games that happened on the weekdays, don't know if that would really help either.
I am not bitter that we aren't in the tournament, but I am bitter that games that should count don't.

Having said that we were 1-1 vs Michigan and Purdue and our needle should have barely budged higher.

I also think injuries should have ZERO factor, both ways. Your resume is your resume. Rutgers biggest mistake was not it's OOC schedule it was telling the media Mag was out for the year. If RU says Mag could return for the NCAA tournament would we be in it?
 
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In true NCAA fashion you penalize how you look down the stretch a.k.a. the “eye test” but you ignore the last few games of the conference tournament. You also say it’s due to an injury of a key player yet you ignore a lineup change in the conference tourney that finally adjusts for the loss.

Yes we looked awful in our 2-7 stretch in the 7 losses, but it’s not like Pike wasn’t making changes trying to adjust for Mag game in game out.

The simple fact is the committee is too lazy to work hard the last week and have to adjust based on what is an additional 2-4 games of conference tournaments. So rather than put in the time they ignore them so they can schmooze and party and celebrate their “hard work”.

The “eye test” if you include the conference tournament shows without a doubt we are a not only a tourney team but back to our early season form with Simpson at the 1.

The NCAA continues to shows the inability to be anything other than a total joke of an organization with the inability to do anything the right way that cares nothing about anything other than $.
What was PSU resume vs ours before the BIG tourney?
 
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Really feels like the "final call" on the bracket was made a week prior, and the conference tournament games didn't matter. If the determination had already been made by that point, our win over Michigan didn't matter at all - and Michigan wasn't a "true bubble team" but a "team out of the field"'.

If that is the case, and they had already made up their minds early, then Minnesota largely closed the door and the loss to Northwestern was the final nail in the coffin, leaving us as an 18-13 team that had fallen apart after a key injury. There was no righting of the ship, because the decision was already made before that happened.


this is exactly what happened and the committee has now made up a new criteria called the eye test which has long been talked about but never actually uttered by a stooge on the committee. Last night they said it out loud. They ignored the resume and went with the eye test. Threw criteria and body of work out the window for the eye test
 

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What was PSU resume vs ours before the BIG tourney?
Penn State was good enough to get in before the big ten tourney. They didnt have any bad losses and compiled enough quality victories. They too were underseeded and should be on the 8-9 line based on the results but only got nudged up a spot for winning 3 games
 
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this is exactly what happened and the committee has now made up a new criteria called the eye test which has long been talked about but never actually uttered by a stooge on the committee. Last night they said it out loud. They ignored the resume and went with the eye test. Threw criteria and body of work out the window for the eye test
Agreed, said similar in a few threads that all they've said publicly about the process has now become BS with their reasoning on why RU wasn't in the tournament this year.
 
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I am not bitter that we aren't in the tournament, but I am bitter that games that should count don't.

Having said that we were 1-1 vs Michigan and Purdue and our needle should have barely budged higher.

I also think injuries should have ZERO factor, both ways. Your resume is your resume. Rutgers biggest mistake was not it's OOC schedule it was telling the media Mag was out for the year. If RU says Mag could return for the NCAA tournament would we be in it?
Exactly. Your resume should be your resume.

Take the 6 games we lost after Mag gets hurt. If we lost those exact same 6 games at any point in the season before Mag gets hurt, they get evaluated differently? Even though the resume is exactly the same?

Honestly my biggest takeaway is don’t announce season ending injuries if you can avoid it.
 
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GoodOl'Rutgers

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I don't know why people here are ignoring the obvious.

The committee had a bias against any conference getting more than 8 bids.

It doesn't matter how good that 9th and 10th team was, they had to spread out the bids especially among the non-P5 who hold the majority in the selection committee. And they will find their justifications one way or the other.

The P5 needs to break off from the NCAA Tourney and go their own way and sell their own post-season tourney to the TV networks.
 
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I don't know why people here are ignoring the obvious.

The committee had a bias against any conference getting more than 8 bids.

It doesn't matter how good that 9th and 10th team was, they had to spread out the bids especially among the non-P5 who hold the majority in the selection committee. And they will find their justifications one way or the other.

The P5 needs to break off from the NCAA Tourney and go their own way and sell their own post-season tourney to the TV networks.
Exactly. The NCAA is also a political organization that has demonstrated annual inconsistent judgement in selections, punishment for schools, and is a legally toothless entity that cannot enforce any real penalties to schools that break the rules.

See North Carolina (academic fraud - nothing happened to the school), Penn State (Joe Pa - A booster and a politician threatened to sue individuals at the NCAA and the squirrels removed a no TV penalty, no post season for Penn State), and Notre Dame (a woman embezzled money close to a million dollars from her employer and treated student athletes with that money - nothing happened to the school), and other situations.

As a side note, Rutgers Baseball (45 wins, led the nation in several categories, lost only one game in the Big Ten Tournament Double Elimination Final) being left out of the NCAA Tournament in 2022 was a clear example of favoring blue bloods. Four teams in the ACC had .500 won/loss records and made the tournament.

I agree it is time for the P5 to replace the NCAA.