NCPreps.com 4A Baker's Dozen - Week 10

[Deana_King_rivals106402]

4A

1. Scotland County (8-0)
2. Dudley (8-0)
3. Butler (8-1)
4. Wake Forest (8-0)
5. Middle Creek (8-0)
6. Charlotte Catholic (7-1)
7. Page (7-1)
8. East Forsyth (8-1)
9. Vance (7-1)
10. Lake Norman (8-0)
11. Mallard Creek (6-2)
12. Davie County (8-1)
13. Garner (7-1)

HONORABLE MENTION: Hillside (7-1); West Johnston (7-0); Pinecrest (7-1); Cape Fear (7-0); West Meck (7-1); Hough (5-3); Cardinal Gibbons (7-1); AL Brown (6-2); Myers Park (7-1); Richmond County (5-2); Heritage (7-1); Parkland (7-1); Mooresville (6-2); West Forsyth (6-2);

 

[CPC4LIFE3]

It's NOT a big deal, but I just don't understand how you rank Page in front of Davie County. Davie County beat them by 2 TD's and their only loss is #2 Dudley. Maxpreps does have Davie ahead of Page... It Shouldn't matter because they are 2 different classifications, but 10-15 years ago Davie was 4AA.

Davie, Dudley & Scotland are the easily the best 4A teams in the State. I believe Dudley is the best of any 4AA team as well...in the State. Sorry Charlotte. Just my opinion.

 

[rams10]

It's NOT a big deal, but I just don't understand how you rank Page in front of Davie County. Davie County beat them by 2 TD's and their only loss is #2 Dudley.

Davie, Dudley & Scotland are the easily the best 4A teams in the State. I believe Dudley is the best of any 4AA team in the State. Sorry Charlotte.

I'm not sure about easily, but maybe.

 

[BlackKnightNut]

I was under the impression dudley was still small 4a

 

[CPC4LIFE3]

I'm saying they(Dudley) are the best team in both divisions. I'll re-word it... Unfortunately, we will never know if Dudley is better than the 2016 4-AA Champs.
On another Note: If the Eastern Part of the State were to ever win 4AA...this is the year.

 

[DC_PRIDE_2010]

I believe Page beats Dudley in 2 weeks

 

[704CougarsDad]

It's NOT a big deal, but I just don't understand how you rank Page in front of Davie County. Davie County beat them by 2 TD's and their only loss is #2 Dudley. Maxpreps does have Davie ahead of Page... It Shouldn't matter because they are 2 different classifications, but 10-15 years ago Davie was 4AA.

Davie, Dudley & Scotland are the easily the best 4A teams in the State. I believe Dudley is the best of any 4AA team as well...in the State. Sorry Charlotte. Just my opinion.

Coming from a person with cpc in the name I'm not surprised at this statement smh

 

[dc1995]

I believe Page beats Dudley in 2 weeks

Not gonna happen Dudley wins this one easily I think.

 

[CatholicCougs14]

Coming from a person with cpc in the name I'm not surprised at this statement smh

He always brings up some team in the triad area that is way better than every 4AA team in Charlotte. Most years he's telling us East Forsyth is for real and this is the year and they'll beat Mallard Creek.
This year it appears to be Dudley and Davie County, now I give Dudley credit. They always have a solid program and unlike other teams in the triad area have actually won a title in the last 4 years.

 

[Chute Boxe Hero]

I'm seriously baffled at the fact that Vance can convincingly defeat Mallard Creek but yet barely crack the Top 10.

 

[704CougarsDad]

I'm seriously baffled at the fact that Vance can convincingly defeat Mallard Creek but yet barely crack the Top 10.

(Shrugs shoulders) oh well

 

[Deana_King_rivals106402]

Page was in the pre-season top 10 and they lost to Davie the first week. Davie was not ranked or honorable mention.

Page has won the rest of their games including at the time at top 5 East Forsyth team. So Page has trended upwards since the first week and got back in the polls.

Davie lost to Dudley while they were in the Honorable Mention section and dropped a lil, but has steadily rose back in the polls with their CP4A wins.

Vance was in Honorable Mention after losing to AL Brown and did rise quite a bit after beating Mallard Creek.

I've been doing these polls for over 15 years and there is no exact science of who needs to be here or there. It's just to give fans a estimate where teams stand.

 

[Chute Boxe Hero]

Page was in the pre-season top 10 and they lost to Davie the first week. Davie was not ranked or honorable mention.

Page has won the rest of their games including at the time at top 5 East Forsyth team. So Page has trended upwards since the first week and got back in the polls.

Davie lost to Dudley while they were in the Honorable Mention section and dropped a lil, but has steadily rose back in the polls with their CP4A wins.

Vance was in Honorable Mention after losing to AL Brown and did rise quite a bit after beating Mallard Creek.

I've been doing these polls for over 15 years and there is no exact science of who needs to be here or there. It's just to give fans a estimate where teams stand.

I understand, Deana. I was just trying to understand the thought process behind it. I just thought Vance would be a bit higher considering they just knocked off the juggernaut of NC.

 

[BlueandGold34]

Coming from a person with cpc in the name I'm not surprised at this statement smh

Coming from a person with cpc in the name I'm not surprised at this statement smh

This is the same guy who told us in 2013 that West Forsyth was the best right until they got rolled by Butler. Then he told us East Forsyth was the best right until they got beat by the 6th or 7th best Charlotte team in Providence.

If he is touting Davie you can count on a 2nd round loss.

 

[BlueandGold34]

Here is the reality. Outside of the Charlotte schools there are 3 teams on that list that are really even relevant in any statewide conversation. Dudley, Page and Scotland.

Until a Davie , East Forsyth or Middlecreek win a big game , not in August but in November the rest of this talk is just chatter.

Rank Davie or whomever wherever you want. If they are that good they can show everyone right around Thanksgiving by beating a Dudley, Charlotte Catholic or Scotland.

 

[Mr Honda]

#1 and #11 are fantasy rankings.

 

[DC_PRIDE_2010]

also remember Davie didn't have qb nor wr for well over half Dudley game. No excuses for the loss just something to factor in. I'm a Davie fan but until they beat a Dudley head to head I will not argue where they are in polls. We will see how good they are against Tabor next Friday night.

 

[rams10]

also remember Davie didn't have qb nor wr for well over half Dudley game. No excuses for the loss just something to factor in. I'm a Davie fan but until they beat a Dudley head to head I will not argue where they are in polls. We will see how good they are against Tabor next Friday night.

Dudleys Qb got ejected as well. Maybe you guys will meet up again.

 

[DC_PRIDE_2010]

True True

 

[BlueandGold34]

#1 and #11 are fantasy rankings.

Perfectly fine with where Scotland and Mallard Creek are ranked. You have 4 or 5 undefeated teams. You win your games you should be ranked high. Mallard Creek has lost two games. They play a much tougher schedule but that is by design. They schedule the way they do to prepare them for the playoffs not so they can be ranked high on October 19th.

They will have played 5 teams with either one loss or less. Throw in a Hough squad that had lost only to two top 10 teams on this list. 4 D1 QB's and 23 state titles in the mix. Lets see what happens when the games start to count.

 

[ruleman77]

Perfectly fine with where Scotland and Mallard Creek are ranked. You have 4 or 5 undefeated teams. You win your games you should be ranked high. Mallard Creek has lost two games. They play a much tougher schedule but that is by design. They schedule the way they do to prepare them for the playoffs not so they can be ranked high on October 19th.

They will have played 5 teams with either one loss or less. Throw in a Hough squad that had lost only to two top 10 teams on this list. 4 D1 QB's and 23 state titles in the mix. Lets see what happens when the games start to count.

Blue and Gold22 if Vance played another team the same greatness as d Creek, and d other team without d penaties and touch down call back, would Vance b able to pull out a win.

 

[hokiemtc]

Blue and Gold22 if Vance played another team the same greatness as d Creek, and d other team without d penaties and touch down call back, would Vance b able to pull out a win.

If Vance plays the same game they just did...no. Mallard Creek wasn't the only team eat up with penalties and mistakes last Friday. In fact, Vance lost to AL Brown 2 weeks ago because they couldn't limit their mistakes well enough to pull out a win.

If Vance plays a clean game, I think they are top 5 good. The only knock on them is depth, but their top 22 looks as good as any other starting 22 in the state. When they don't play a clean game, then I still think they are top 15-ish type of team, but they won't beat top 5 teams very often making the kinds of mistakes they tend to make unless the opponent REALLY helps them out, which is what happened last week.

 

[ruleman77]

If Vance plays the same game they just did...no. Mallard Creek wasn't the only team eat up with penalties and mistakes last Friday. In fact, Vance lost to AL Brown 2 weeks ago because they couldn't limit their mistakes well enough to pull out a win.

If Vance plays a clean game, I think they are top 5 good. The only knock on them is depth, but their top 22 looks as good as any other starting 22 in the state. When they don't play a clean game, then I still think they are top 15-ish type of team, but they won't beat top 5 teams very often making the kinds of mistakes they tend to make unless the opponent REALLY helps them out, which is what happened last week.

Thank you, that's why i ask u. because brother u always can answer the question, again thanks.

 

[go_scots]

As Deana said there is nothing scientific about a poll. The only one that matters is the final poll at the end if the year. Polls before and during the season are only to give the fans something to talk about. The thing that is an utter waste of time is computer rankings. There has never been a NC high school football game played on a computer.

 

[hokiemtc]

There's never been a NC high school football game played in a poll, either (much to the chagrin of many posters here).

The CarolinaVarsity report predicted last year's semi-final games at 94% (15 of 16), which is pretty good. And the scores looked impressively accurate as well.

It's takes a while to get enough data in place for a computer ranking to be worth anything, but they are MUCH better than humans are at looking thru the preconceived BS and inherent biases and seeing what the world really looks like.

Sometimes a computer can't observe the obvious like a human can (and it doesn't recognize things like key injuries), but the voters in these human polls mostly aren't watching all the games to observe anything anyway. I think most of their votes are based on reputation as much as anything else, and as Deana pointed out, also largely based on preconceived pre-season biases.

 

[BlueandGold34]

Blue and Gold22 if Vance played another team the same greatness as d Creek, and d other team without d penaties and touch down call back, would Vance b able to pull out a win.

VAnce can score with anyone. Great QB with Ifedi. Special H-back with Hall and several great athletes on the outside. Oline isn't great but above average and Brand does a lot with roll outs and play action to help them out. I think Brand and Hales at Butler are the two best offensive play callers in the state.

My concern with them in the 4a would be 3 teams. Scotland, Dudley and Catholic. There athletic on defense with a lot of speed and a shut down corner but not big upfront and not great tacklers. They blitz a lot and will get a big negative play but it will also get out of position and get gashed for some big yards as well. MC ran all over them and Brown had a lot of success as well. I worry about a team like Dudley or Scotland that is big and physical and might just run it 45 times on Vance.

 

[DudleyPowerHouse2002]

I believe Page beats Dudley in 2 weeks

Appreciate your take on that game but it's gonna be tough for those Pirates. When we play the them we just play man up and invert our db's. Thats why their explosive offense doesnt look so explosive against us. We have too many athletes over the field. We have the best defense in the state. The D-BOYZ. Most our two's could start someone else The remedy to beat Page is you got to have athletes to match up with theirs

 

[CPC4LIFE3]

Any College Poll or NFL power ranking would have Davie ahead of Page if they were of that kind of league. A head to head win is huge when it comes to polls. Davie has beat Page and Honorable Mention West Forsyth. 2 huge wins! Page has 1 big win over ranked team. Davie's SOS has to be #1 in 4A.

Like I said in the original post, " It's NOT a big deal"

 

[DC_PRIDE_2010]

Reagan has number 1 S.O.S

 

[GSO-Triple5]

I believe Page beats Dudley in 2 weeks

Page has as much chance beating Dudley as Angelina Jolie seductively strolling up to you at the Mocksville Hardee's Hamburger joint , she whispering the following exotic statement into your hearing device , " Will you accompany me to that thicket of pine trees so I can sew these here crotchless panties I purchased at the Thomasville Flea Market so I can attend a garden party tomorrow evening in Lumberton, " as she stands there in her painted on Wrangler jeans and a see through brassiere , you standing perplexingly perplexed against a spewing fire hydrant , the fire inside hotter than two lit Roman Candles stuck up each nostril.
P.S. Dudley by twenty.

 

[DC_PRIDE_2010]

yall take stuff serious lol. Hope y'all have good comebacks after a loss or do y'all make excuses like UNC fans in college basketball. Refs were one sided and so on. Lol

 

[Diddydontplay]

Page has as much chance beating Dudley as Angelina Jolie seductively strolling up to you at the Mocksville Hardee's Hamburger joint , she whispering the following exotic statement into your hearing device , " Will you accompany me to that thicket of pine trees so I can sew these here crotchless panties I purchased at the Thomasville Flea Market so I can attend a garden party tomorrow evening in Lumberton, " as she stands there in her painted on Wrangler jeans and a see through brassiere , you standing perplexingly perplexed against a spewing fire hydrant , the fire inside hotter than two lit Roman Candles stuck up each nostril.
P.S. Dudley by twenty.

So you're sayin there's a chance!!!

 

[jmystery]

I've seen both Dudley and Page play this year. Page is a good team, but I don't see them beating Dudley...even at home.

 

[PrinceOfDudley]

yall take stuff serious lol. Hope y'all have good comebacks after a loss or do y'all make excuses like UNC fans in college basketball. Refs were one sided and so on. Lol

DC,

You're expecting a Page win because your club was without the services of 2 of your players that could have helped you get that W at home against The Dboyz. Don't forget, our QB was ejected 2nd qtr for merely swiping at his own teammate's hand. The zebras did what they could to gift wrap that game but depth is an issue along with the defense, (see the 42 pts. spotted to N. Davidson who got hammered by Mt. Tabor)

I'm sure the game with Page will be a good one and maybe DC gets another shot in a few weeks.

 

[DC_PRIDE_2010]

DC,

You're expecting a Page win because your club was without the services of 2 of your players that could have helped you get that W at home against The Dboyz. Don't forget, our QB was ejected 2nd qtr for merely swiping at his own teammate's hand. The zebras did what they could to gift wrap that game but depth is an issue along with the defense, (see the 42 pts. spotted to N. Davidson who got hammered by Mt. Tabor)

I'm sure the game with Page will be a good one and maybe DC gets another shot in a few weeks.

Not saying a page win due to Davie was missing 2 against y'all. Dudley beats Davie straight up this year. I'm stating my opinion Page beats Dudley in two weeks. Sorry to burst yalls bubbles

 

[GreenandGold]

4A

1. Scotland County (8-0)
2. Dudley (8-0)
3. Butler (8-1)
4. Wake Forest (8-0)
5. Middle Creek (8-0)
6. Charlotte Catholic (7-1)
7. Page (7-1)
8. East Forsyth (8-1)
9. Vance (7-1)
10. Lake Norman (8-0)
11. Mallard Creek (6-2)
12. Davie County (8-1)
13. Garner (7-1)

HONORABLE MENTION: Hillside (7-1); West Johnston (7-0); Pinecrest (7-1); Cape Fear (7-0); West Meck (7-1); Hough (5-3); Cardinal Gibbons (7-1); AL Brown (6-2); Myers Park (7-1); Richmond County (5-2); Heritage (7-1); Parkland (7-1); Mooresville (6-2); West Forsyth (6-2);

I just curious on why a 5-2 Richmond team isn't ranked. Losses are to Butler who Richmond was dominating for a half and a Dudkey loss.

 

[hokiemtc]

Not speaking for the voters, but while the two losses were high quality, look at the wins:

4-5 Rocky River
4-5 Anson (3A)
0-9 Byrd
6-3 South View
1-7 Hoke Co
2-6 Lumberton

If the above list were all of the wins for, say, Purnell Swett, would you expect them to be ranked in the top 10?

Having seen them in person, I think Richmond is pretty good this year. But the fact still remains that they've beaten exactly one team all year with a winning record, and that one team does not have much street cred on a state level.

 

[CatholicCougs14]

Catholic with a big win over 7-1(at the time) West Meck. I guess we haven't beaten anyone though. Or it won't count cause they didn't have their QB

 

[scotswin]

Not speaking for the voters, but while the two losses were high quality, look at the wins:

4-5 Rocky River
4-5 Anson (3A)
0-9 Byrd
6-3 South View
1-7 Hoke Co
2-6 Lumberton

Having seen them in person, I think Richmond is pretty good this year. But the fact still remains that they've beaten exactly one team all year with a winning record, and that one team does not have much street cred on a state level.

Not speaking for the voters, but while the two losses were high quality, look at the wins:

4-5 Rocky River
4-5 Anson (3A)
0-9 Byrd
6-3 South View
1-7 Hoke Co
2-6 Lumberton

If the above list were all of the wins for, say, Purnell Swett, would you expect them to be ranked in the top 10?

Having seen them in person, I think Richmond is pretty good this year. But the fact still remains that they've beaten exactly one team all year with a winning record, and that one team does not have much street cred on a state level.

What game did you see in person, I assume Butler which was
a 1 pt loss on a miss xp. I guess that is "pretty good"
We are all bias to our select few teams just as you are.
Purnell Swett would not have those wins nor the close
loss to Butler.

 

[Ben-Badd]

I agree with Hokie... None of the top 3 SEC teams have had much competition. I'm just glad everyone can get back on track and we all know that Richmond must make a statement in the next 2weeks... I honestly think they will... They have the players... clean up mistakes...we'll see. I think they're better off right where they are for now... I know what these polls can do to these kids sometimes...