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Tractorman

Tractorman

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Mar 15, 2009
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RecordRoadNeutralWABQ 1Q 2Q 3Q 4
9 AZ18-86-31-3168-63-23-04-0
10 Wisc21-55-43-077-57-02-05-0
11 Gonzaga20-75-22-4472-53-24-011-0
12 Maryland20-63-52-0206-53-13-08-0
13 Purdue19-85-42-2116-78-11-04-0
14 Kentucky17-82-52-1138-70-13-06-0
26 State19-76-24-1107-64-12-06-0

The first six rows are Net rankings 9-15. The last row is us at 26. It looks like we should be right in the middle of these rankings if you compare the metrics.

Unless being a basketball school is part of NET**
 
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Tractorman

Tractorman

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Of this list we have the most road wins, most neutral wins, 3rd most Q1 wins, 3rd most Q2 wins, and 3rd least Q3/4 games played. We could be in play for a higher seed than expected. The committee looks at that those categories specifically and uses the net ranking as a crutch.
 
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Dawghouse

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Sep 14, 2011
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From twitter, I have no idea what these are but I agree with the conclusion.

Updated Mississippi State resume metrics... Sheeeeesh 😳

12 KPI
15 SOR
10 WAB

Might be closer to a 4 seed than you think. Need a couple wins by margin to juice up the predictive metrics.
 
Darryl Steight

Darryl Steight

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How about we add strength of f'ing schedule to that spreadsheet. I know it will all shake out in the end, but we had to have played more top 10 teams than anyone else other than UK.
 
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msstatelp1

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Aug 21, 2012
2,021
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MSUDOG24 said:
What's WAB?
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This what the internet says but I have no clue what it means or how to explain it


WAB stands for Wins Above Bubble, a metric used in college basketball to compare a team's performance to how a bubble team would perform in the same schedule. The WAB metric is used by the NCAA to help evaluate teams and select the NCAA Tournament field.

How is WAB calculated?
  1. Compare the team's actual wins to how many wins an average bubble team would have against the same schedule

  2. For each game, subtract the expected wins for an average bubble team from the team's actual wins

  3. Add up the Wins Above Bubble for each game
How is WAB used?
The WAB metric helps the NCAA committee objectively evaluate a team's strength and results, especially nonconference games. It's a results-based method that can help distinguish teams that might otherwise be dismissed based on more traditional metrics.


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I think it’s probably due to the strength of some of those Q4 wins. Can’t think of another reason
 
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MSUDOG24

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msstatelp1 said:
This what the internet says but I have no clue what it means or how to explain it


WAB stands for Wins Above Bubble, a metric used in college basketball to compare a team's performance to how a bubble team would perform in the same schedule. The WAB metric is used by the NCAA to help evaluate teams and select the NCAA Tournament field.

How is WAB calculated?
  1. Compare the team's actual wins to how many wins an average bubble team would have against the same schedule

  2. For each game, subtract the expected wins for an average bubble team from the team's actual wins

  3. Add up the Wins Above Bubble for each game
How is WAB used?
The WAB metric helps the NCAA committee objectively evaluate a team's strength and results, especially nonconference games. It's a results-based method that can help distinguish teams that might otherwise be dismissed based on more traditional metrics.


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Thanks, in hindsight guess could have Googled it myself. That makes 2 of us that still don't know exactly what its supposed to mean but I'll leave it with those that do.
We do love us some metrics these days.
 
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TXDawg.sixpack

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Apr 10, 2009
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As I understand it, the 10 doesn't mean we're ranked 10th in the WAB category, it means we have 10 WAB's (wins above the bubble) or 10 more wins than a bubble team would have against our schedule.

Of course, based on my interpretation, I have no idea how Gonzaga has 47 Wins Above the Bubble when they've only played 27 games...
 
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Tractorman

Tractorman

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TXDawg.sixpack said:
As I understand it, the 10 doesn't mean we're ranked 10th in the WAB category, it means we have 10 WAB's (wins above the bubble) or 10 more wins than a bubble team would have against our schedule.

Of course, based on my interpretation, I have no idea how Gonzaga has 47 Wins Above the Bubble when they've only played 27 games...
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It's a ranking. If you notice, every team has a different #. Aub of course 1
 
Tractorman

Tractorman

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Leeshouldveflanked

Leeshouldveflanked

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Nov 12, 2016
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MSUDOG24 said:
What's WAB?
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mcfly.sixpack

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WAB - wins above bubble. Our current WAB is 4.4 or we have a predictive 4.4 wins over the average bubble team given the same schedule. What’s hurting us are the Prarie View, Butler and Missouri games. Those games were so bad for our metrics they’re making skewing our efficiency numbers, which is a part of the NET equation. And yes I know we won the Prarie View game but it was still that bad.

Competitive games vs Butler and Missouri would’ve made our efficiency numbers much better too. Basically we’re a 6 seed if you go by NET or on the 4/5 line by resume. 10-8 and I think we’re a 4, 11-7 and I know we’re a 4 and possibly a 3.
 
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MSUDC11-2.0

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Sep 29, 2022
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I honestly think that 27 point home loss to Mizzou is doing way more damage than anything else. You can’t get annihilated at home. Very much hurts your metrics in a big way. We were still a projected 4/5 seed going into that game and suddenly were on the 7/8 seed line afterward.
 
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MSUDOG24

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MSUDC11-2.0 said:
I honestly think that 27 point home loss to Mizzou is doing way more damage than anything else. You can’t get annihilated at home. Very much hurts your metrics in a big way. We were still a projected 4/5 seed going into that game and suddenly were on the 7/8 seed line afterward.
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I sat through that whole debacle and no doubt it was bad but I also watched them often cross mid-court and rip it from what is depicted on the floor as the MS river. Reading all of the outrage after I couldn't help but wonder how much was related to last year and MO sucks! They did last but don't this year. Kind of the flip of SCAR.
Again, not defending the effort and what I watched getting smoked at home but are you watching this Miz/Bama game? Looks familiar.
 
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60sdog

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Oct 9, 2010
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Tractorman said:
RecordRoadNeutralWABQ 1Q 2Q 3Q 4
9 AZ18-86-31-3168-63-23-04-0
10 Wisc21-55-43-077-57-02-05-0
11 Gonzaga20-75-22-4472-53-24-011-0
12 Maryland20-63-52-0206-53-13-08-0
13 Purdue19-85-42-2116-78-11-04-0
14 Kentucky17-82-52-1138-70-13-06-0
26 State19-76-24-1107-64-12-06-0

The first six rows are Net rankings 9-15. The last row is us at 26. It looks like we should be right in the middle of these rankings if you compare the metrics.

Unless being a basketball school is part of NET**
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Gonzaga at NET 11 (row three above) and State at NET 26 is wild.
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DAWGSANDSAINTS

DAWGSANDSAINTS

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onewoof said:
Gonzaga has not beaten a single ranked team yet, only played KY that was ranked and lost

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Gonzaga getting some juice based on name only it would appear.
We win 3/4 down the stretch and maybe a couple in the SEC Trny and we definitely are in position to get a 4 seed.
Not sure a 5 is what we want but 6 might be the seed to be actually.
 
POTUS

POTUS

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Sep 29, 2022
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Tractorman said:
RecordRoadNeutralWABQ 1Q 2Q 3Q 4
9 AZ18-86-31-3168-63-23-04-0
10 Wisc21-55-43-077-57-02-05-0
11 Gonzaga20-75-22-4472-53-24-011-0
12 Maryland20-63-52-0206-53-13-08-0
13 Purdue19-85-42-2116-78-11-04-0
14 Kentucky17-82-52-1138-70-13-06-0
26 State19-76-24-1107-64-12-06-0

The first six rows are Net rankings 9-15. The last row is us at 26. It looks like we should be right in the middle of these rankings if you compare the metrics.

Unless being a basketball school is part of NET**
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What's not listed here, but can be extrapolated is that all those teams have, at most, TWO losses at home. We have FOUR. There's the explanation.
 
Perd Hapley

Perd Hapley

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Sep 30, 2022
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One question is how does the selection committee reconcile that most teams in the best conference in college basketball history are being artificially punished by the NET rankings due to how the league is beating itself up?

MSU has 7 Quad 1 wins, 7-6 Quad 1 record. There are only 10 other teams in the country with as many (or more) Q1 wins, and 2 of those 10 have a worse Q1 winning % than we do (there’s a 7-8 team and an 8-7 team in there).

We’re objectively a Top 10-15 team in every metric that is not the NET rankings.
 
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