I know there is a thread about this but I wanted my own. Deal the 17 with it. I am a former student and now a grad student...just for references sake. The new announcer takes all the excitement that an announcer can bring to a game completely out of it. The splitting of the student section completely sucks. You have two groups of students that can't get their **** together because theyre separated by an entire court. So you get pretty much a 1/4 of the excitement level driven by them....not that it was that 17in spectacular to begin with. Byrne. You are one 17in amazing AD. So, admit you were wrong. Fix this. It doesn't matter if you bring Flick back and put the student section together again or do something completely different...but this completely sucks ***.
New Atmosphere Sucks
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Byrne moved the students to open up seats for Bulldog Club donors who donate a lot. At MSU, we are behind the 8-ball financially and this was a good way to make more money. I agree that splitting up the student section up might hurt the noise a little, but the fans sitting on their hands hurts more. I would rather have more money coming into the program than worry about some Chinese engineering student having problems yelling in rhythm at someone across the floor.
definitely agree that money was the reason...and it was an idea. but, i think basketball is the one sport where atmosphere might mean enough to override money in the long run...because it does help the team and in the end...the bottom line.
I think it could have had somehing to do with the 6:00 start time. It was a late arriving crowd, and we were up 10-plus for 30-35 minutes. Not to mention, it was on televsion. The atmosphere you experienced tonight would have sucked regardless of the PA and the student section seating structure. Before you comment on the lack of atmosphere, at least factor in the possible variables...but it did suck tonight. When Kentucky and Ole Miss come to MSU, then you can begin to compare the atmosphere to previous seasons.
For the record, I agree with you about Flick. I do not care about the football portion of things, but I wish he was still doing basketball. He had such a unique and classy way of opening a basketball game.
For the record, I agree with you about Flick. I do not care about the football portion of things, but I wish he was still doing basketball. He had such a unique and classy way of opening a basketball game.
I could not tell you what the new guy sounded like. I got there 10 minutes before the game tonight. I looked at all of the seats that used to be filled with students and thought well **** at least these people paid for their tickets. The prime seats that were student seats were almost empty. About 10 minutes into the game the place was pretty full. It did not seem as loud though. I really just did not seem like the crowd was that into it. I think that a lot had to do with our large early lead.
But its disposable income and many live far enough away they dont come to Starkville for some OOC and midweek SEC games not against UK, UT, UF, or UM. But instead of listening to Jack on the Stansbury show and giving tickets away (or selling) to someone if not attending they are just wasted.
With State being as competitive as it is if there was someway that these tickets were allowed to be purchased as single game tickets then the hump would be pushing 10K on most SEC games and probably 6-7k at least for OOC.
With State being as competitive as it is if there was someway that these tickets were allowed to be purchased as single game tickets then the hump would be pushing 10K on most SEC games and probably 6-7k at least for OOC.
Hankp,
I think you picture deserves recognition, not many people appreciate what Townes Van Zandt did for us anymore and I think it kicks *** what you are doing...keep doing it...
As for this noise thing... the student "sections" are just going to have to get it together. IF there was going to be a change it won't be until next season, so why keep bitching about it. Certainly our student body smart enough to get it going from across court. Not to mention, the point isn't selling enough tickets to sell out-monet ISN'T maximized then-the point is to get the "big boys" the best seats so that they DONATE more. Only then is money "maximized". In my opinion, it's never maximized as long as the people who are donating have more to give, and I'm sure the Ninja's philosophy is something along these lines...
I think you picture deserves recognition, not many people appreciate what Townes Van Zandt did for us anymore and I think it kicks *** what you are doing...keep doing it...
As for this noise thing... the student "sections" are just going to have to get it together. IF there was going to be a change it won't be until next season, so why keep bitching about it. Certainly our student body smart enough to get it going from across court. Not to mention, the point isn't selling enough tickets to sell out-monet ISN'T maximized then-the point is to get the "big boys" the best seats so that they DONATE more. Only then is money "maximized". In my opinion, it's never maximized as long as the people who are donating have more to give, and I'm sure the Ninja's philosophy is something along these lines...
Townes Van Zandt is one of the best musicians to ever pick up an instrument. He could paint with his words. His music and his lyrics were real, and you can hear it in his music and his voice. Thanks for noticing. If you are a fan of Townes, I know you have listened to the Steve Earle album "Townes" which came out last year. Justin Townes Earle also has the talent. Its nice to see that genre of music keep pushing along. TVZ's music will live forever and I think that is the ultimate compliment to any musician.russellwalters said:
Been drinking - bear with me...
I suggested this on BDJ the other night, but I don't think anybody really grasped the idea. At any rate, we need a LEGIT ticket exchange. An online ticket exchange where season ticket holders can put their tickets up for grabs and potential single ticket purchasers can query for tickets would do wonders for empty seats. Certainly it wouldn't be out of the question technologically. And if MSU can't do it, I'm sure there is a 3rd party that can take care of it for a per transaction fee.
Basically, a ticket exchange would allow season ticket holders to continue purchasing their season tickets and attending only the games they please. I have no problem with these ticket holders showing up as they please only if they make a valiant effort at getting their spare ticket into the hands of an MSU fan. All things considered equal, a season ticket holder that shows up > season ticket holder that doesn't.
A ticket exchange would be conceptually simple too. Once you purchased tickets and decided you couldn't use them, all you would need to do is log in and release them for general public purchase (or bulldog club members if you wanted to restrict it). The ticket would either a) be purchased by a needy fan or b) go unused. At the very least, the vacant seat had a fair chance to be claimed by someone who wanted it.
After a year or two of the system being in place, I would go so far as to start tracking seat utilization for season ticket holders. For the season ticket holders that do not utilize the tickets by either a) using them or b) making them available on the ticket exchange, I would raise their rates for the next season. Some sort of threshold could be established stating something to the effect of: "if season ticket holder does not utilize or make available via ticket exchange their tickets 90% of the time during a season, then ticket rates will be raised 10% for the next year..." - something like that.
It would be easy to do that given the right systems were implemented. Plus, the season ticket holders couldn't ***** as it's not hard to log in to a computer to release a ticket or call into the ticket office and notify them they won't be attending. Consider it a responsibility of being the holder of a limited resource. The increased ticket prices for lazy ticket holders will either a) raise revenues or b) get tickets into the hands of potential season ticket holders that will be more responsible with the tickets held.
Paid attendance is our first priority - no doubt. But, actual attendance has a VERY high value as well. A legit and user friendly ticket exchange system is a win for all and can only make the basketball experience better.
I suggested this on BDJ the other night, but I don't think anybody really grasped the idea. At any rate, we need a LEGIT ticket exchange. An online ticket exchange where season ticket holders can put their tickets up for grabs and potential single ticket purchasers can query for tickets would do wonders for empty seats. Certainly it wouldn't be out of the question technologically. And if MSU can't do it, I'm sure there is a 3rd party that can take care of it for a per transaction fee.
Basically, a ticket exchange would allow season ticket holders to continue purchasing their season tickets and attending only the games they please. I have no problem with these ticket holders showing up as they please only if they make a valiant effort at getting their spare ticket into the hands of an MSU fan. All things considered equal, a season ticket holder that shows up > season ticket holder that doesn't.
A ticket exchange would be conceptually simple too. Once you purchased tickets and decided you couldn't use them, all you would need to do is log in and release them for general public purchase (or bulldog club members if you wanted to restrict it). The ticket would either a) be purchased by a needy fan or b) go unused. At the very least, the vacant seat had a fair chance to be claimed by someone who wanted it.
After a year or two of the system being in place, I would go so far as to start tracking seat utilization for season ticket holders. For the season ticket holders that do not utilize the tickets by either a) using them or b) making them available on the ticket exchange, I would raise their rates for the next season. Some sort of threshold could be established stating something to the effect of: "if season ticket holder does not utilize or make available via ticket exchange their tickets 90% of the time during a season, then ticket rates will be raised 10% for the next year..." - something like that.
It would be easy to do that given the right systems were implemented. Plus, the season ticket holders couldn't ***** as it's not hard to log in to a computer to release a ticket or call into the ticket office and notify them they won't be attending. Consider it a responsibility of being the holder of a limited resource. The increased ticket prices for lazy ticket holders will either a) raise revenues or b) get tickets into the hands of potential season ticket holders that will be more responsible with the tickets held.
Paid attendance is our first priority - no doubt. But, actual attendance has a VERY high value as well. A legit and user friendly ticket exchange system is a win for all and can only make the basketball experience better.
Maybe the Rowdies should consider buying an additional wig? One wig man per group of students won't disrupt the balance of nature.
If two groups of students can't manage the communication difficulties presented by 94 feet of hardwood, they have far bigger problems than a bball game seating arrangements.
I have heard of the album...but I have not heard of it, since it comes so highly recommended I am going to download it on iTunes right now.
Not having hank flick is a large blow, its not the same. there is no excitement. the loudest it got is when osby got alley oop. its sad. noone stood when the team came in or when the intro video came on( and that was when it use to get the loudest) The folks that can give the money are great but they need to try to clap at least. im thankful for there money and moving the students was the best money making decision ever but it changed the hump from a seemingly intimidating place to play into USM's arena(never been there but i can only imagine how terrible it is)
If there was a system set as to where season ticket holders could either call and make tickets available or set up a website where they could do it. If they could set up a usage tracking system. If a season ticket holder wasnt going to use a game ticket, he could make it available to be purchased by someone else. There could be a credit or penalty system that would be enacted on the next season's purchase. If a ticket was purchased and not used or made available for resale State could add a 1% ooc penalty and 2% sec penalty per game on the next seasons price. But if the ticket were made available for resale, MSU could credit the purchaser face value per game on the next seasons price. But it would help to have a way to make sure that State fans had first chance at those tickets made available. This could be done possibly like this. Bulldog club members could have first chance. Doctor offices have cancellations lists. Bulldog club members who cant afford season tickets could be put on a cancellation list. There could be a automated system that notified all that BC members either by phone call or email that lets them know tickets were availeble. These could be purchased by BC members only on a first come first serve basis. Say within 24-48 hours of gametime there were still tickets available not purchased by BC members, then they could be made available to the public first come first serve.
To keep 2 people from showing up for the same seat there would need to be a system set up with barcode scanners. If a ticket was made available, then the original ticket could be canceled in the system so that when scanned, it would be no good. All tickets purchased through system could be picked up at willcall.
I apologize if some sentences were incomplete, runon or whatever. Was trying to work out system in my head as I was typing.
To keep 2 people from showing up for the same seat there would need to be a system set up with barcode scanners. If a ticket was made available, then the original ticket could be canceled in the system so that when scanned, it would be no good. All tickets purchased through system could be picked up at willcall.
I apologize if some sentences were incomplete, runon or whatever. Was trying to work out system in my head as I was typing.
During the infamous Greg Bryne chat with Gene a ticket exchange was discussed..
here are the answers
<Leader of the Sheep> What is Mississippi State doing to make sure the Hump is packed this year? And is Mississippi State trying to come up with something that will allow folks who can't attend games to give their tickets to folks who can use them, possibly something like a ticket exchange?
<GregByrne> We have a ticket emailing system through your dog tag account that is getting more use
<GregByrne> the ticket exchange seems like a good idea but it is not that easy
<GregByrne> I know of 3 schools that had ticket exchanges and none of them do it anymore
<GregByrne> The reason
<GregByrne> is that they would get more tickets than they knew what to do with for a weeknight non-big game
<GregByrne>but for the big games they wouldn't get any seats and would be swaped with requests for no seats
<GregByrne> Everytime I have brought it up at SEC development meetings before I became AD, the folks from the other schools would look at me funny
<GregByrne> And these were schools with huge demand for tixs
<GregByrne> Not sure if that would be our best use of time and resources...no offense
here are the answers
<Leader of the Sheep> What is Mississippi State doing to make sure the Hump is packed this year? And is Mississippi State trying to come up with something that will allow folks who can't attend games to give their tickets to folks who can use them, possibly something like a ticket exchange?
<GregByrne> We have a ticket emailing system through your dog tag account that is getting more use
<GregByrne> the ticket exchange seems like a good idea but it is not that easy
<GregByrne> I know of 3 schools that had ticket exchanges and none of them do it anymore
<GregByrne> The reason
<GregByrne> is that they would get more tickets than they knew what to do with for a weeknight non-big game
<GregByrne>but for the big games they wouldn't get any seats and would be swaped with requests for no seats
<GregByrne> Everytime I have brought it up at SEC development meetings before I became AD, the folks from the other schools would look at me funny
<GregByrne> And these were schools with huge demand for tixs
<GregByrne> Not sure if that would be our best use of time and resources...no offense
The technology is there - that's not the issue. I guess it just doesn't make any $-sense to invest in something like that if we aren't having issues selling the tickets in the first place. A 3rd party could easily do it, but that would mean handing over control of your tickets to somebody like a TicketMaster. I don't know anything about those relationships, but I bet it opens up another can of evils that nobody wants to deal with.
Do other schools have the same issue of ticket holders not using their tickets? Maybe MSU just has a unique disadvantage in that it is located in the middle of nowhere?
Do other schools have the same issue of ticket holders not using their tickets? Maybe MSU just has a unique disadvantage in that it is located in the middle of nowhere?